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I'm adding a third block of infantry to my army (which, as of yet consists of two 25man blocks of swordsmen.

This new block (The Blackhawk Half-Pikers) is going to form the center of my larger-pointed battle line. This post is directed at trying to guage the ideal set up for the spearmen.

What I've been leaning toward is this.

(*Please comment on this!*)
29men strong, full command (duh)
with shields
commanded by a Warrior Priest w/ AoMI (maybe) and a greathammer
6-wide, 5-deep.

Here's my thoughts (*comment on this too please*)
6wide equals 6 attacks base on the charge. Add in one more for the Sgt. the warrior priest removes one base attack, but adds 2 more at Str 6. Further the entire unit re-rolls its misses.

Charging - 6 WS3, S3 re-rolled attacks AND 2 WS4 S6 re-rolled attacks.
DEFENDING - 12 WS3 S3 -re-rolled Attacks AND 2 WS4 S6 re-rolled attacks.

Also the whole unit will have 5+ armor saves (worth the point IMHO)
Combine this with an FC or Halberd detachment and we've got a pretty sexy static CR.
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All of that said, I'm not very good at crunching the numbers on this kinda stuff. I feel this unit will perform admirably as an anchor for my two swordsmen units (and thier detachments) and my pistoliers and knights. (I play TVI basically). But maybe I'm missing something. Maybe thier increased cost makes them prohibitivly expensive. This is where this post comes in.

How do you kit out YOUR spearmen? What does math say is the best way to do spearmen?

I like the kit I've got, but if its horribly inneffective and wrong I'd like to know.

Thanks!
Phos

Hey everybody!

I'm a poor law student, and I have to focus my buying. As a result, I'm trying to fine tune my lists from 500 pt Border Patrol up to the 2000 point holy grail (it'll be a while til I get there). I realize that some combos which are fantastic at 500 don't work so much at 750 and so on. Thats what this thread is for. So, without further ado, lets just dive in shall we?

[500 point Empire List - Compatible with regular or Border Patrol rules]
The Talgart Border Patrol
CO Maj. Anders Halstead
lvl1 Bright Wizard
Wizard's Staff, Doomfire Ring

Whitehawk Regiment
[1st, 2nd Bttn]Swordsmen x 20 - Full Command
[3rd Bttn] + 10 Halberdiers

Crossbowmen x10 + mus

Carabineers d'Terrino (Pistolers)x5
+outrider w/ repeaters
+musician

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I've played this list, and been VERY happy with its performance. But you guys are much better at the number crunching and whatnot. Advice is appreciated, of course.

[750pts - Talgart Rearguard Force]
Exactly as above

Wizard gains 1 level but loses the Doomfire Ring

+ Captain Einhardt Volkmann
Pegasus, full plate, shield, lance, pistol, Doomfire Ring

Whitehawk Regiment loses 1 Halberdier

+Guns of Navronne Rgt. (1 great cannon)

749pts
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I've played this list too, but with a Warrior Priest in the command slot. I've been happy with its performance, but I feel it could use a lttle work

[1000pt Talgart Light Brigade]
Exactly as above

Whitehawk Rgt grows to 24 models strong.

+ The Greyhawk Regiment
Swordsmen x25 - Full Command
+10 Halberds

998
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I have NOT played this list, and I'm debating replacing the wizard with a Warrior Priest or a Command Captain, but I've been very happy with the wizard at lower point levels. It seems to me, that at higher points, on his own he won't get a lot off, spell wise, and that army ld7, which hasn't mattered yet, could become a problem.


[1250 - The Talgart Brigade]
Same as above

Wizard loses the Wizard's Staff

+ Captain Alann Ranier
BSB, Warbanner, Barded Horse, Full Plate

Both Whitehawk and Greyhawk become identical
24 Swordsmen w/ Full Command
+10 Halberds

+ Knights of Taal, 3rd Lance
5 Knights +mus, std.

1248
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I have NOT played this variation of the list...hell I don't have half the models, and this is the most "theoryhammer" of the 4 I've offered. I also think it needs the most work. By this point level I really want to have a LD8 General but I still want a BSB and a Captisus and a Mage.

I would really appreciate help with this stuff, also, if the format I've used is confusing I can edit and repost full-lists for each point variation.

Thanks in advance!

Ok, this is my first attempt at a list with the new book. I only have enough for small games, so I want to put together a 750pt list. This is my first attempt at such.

Bonheim's Brigade (Brigata Talgarter no. 12)

General - Col. Adrian von Admar - Warrior Priest (130 points)
- Heavy Armor, Shield, Great Weapon, Hand Weapon, The Doomfire Ring
Colonel Admar is the Brigade Chaplain, recruited in the hamlet of Andower, the dour Chaplain quickly earned a reputation for stern fairness among the soldiers. "The Old Man" possesses a healthy glower, but treats his men as he would like to be treated - tough but fair. He is well liked by his soldiers, not least because he leads by doing, and while the money comes from Bonheim, the loyalty flows to Colonel Admar.

Heinrich Lietdorf von Bonheim - Lvl 1 Fire Wizard (75 points)
-Wizard's Staff
H.L. Bonheim is a registered and liscensed Fire Wizard who lives and works as a merchant in Talagaad. During one of his many trips to Altdorf and the Bright Order's College, he learned that rather than contracting to join a company, many wizards were starting thier own. Realizing the monetary...er patriotic opportunity, H.L. Bonheim submitted a request to form a Brigade of soldiers flying Talebecland's colors. It was granted and he recieved a writ of command to a unit to be sourced out of one of Talagaad's suburban settelments - Talgard. Within weeks Bonheim's first regiment, the Whitehawks began to form around a core of expatriated Tilean's he met in a tavern one night. Bonheim is a solid commander and far from a coward, though he makes for a poor fighter, his men respect him because he tries.

Count Deitrich von Adenaur (139 points)
-Pegasus, Full Plate, Shield, Lance, Sword, Dragon Bow
A minor noble, criss-crossing the Empire looking to make a name for himself, Adanaur's life was saved by Bonheim when a firey conuration frightened off a small group of gnolls about to kill Adanaur in his sleep. Ever since Adenaur, and his Brettonian Pegasus Aventuir have been following the 12th Brigade in thier adventures. Adenaur is one hell of a shot, wielding an elven bow of magnificent power and range.

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The White Hawk's Regiment (Regimento Silber Falke) (205 points)
20 Swordsmen + Full Command + Detachment of 10 Halberds w/ shields
Bonheim's first regiment, the Whitehawks consist of 3 Battalions, the first and second are a Medium Swordsmen unit, which fight together while the 3rd Battalion is a Halberdier's unit which fights on the flank and supports the main force. The regiment is composed of men from all over Talebecland as well as Brettonian, Kislevite,Tilean, Estalian and Arabian expatriats who have taken a liking to the unit or the men. Bonheim treats all men fairly regardless of national origin and has ways of forging Imperial Citizenship documents for those he likes.

Benito Carlini's Crossbowmen (85 points)
10 X-bows + Musician 
A recent hire, these tilean Crossbowmen know thier trade and ply it well. (Read: I havn't written anything for them yet)

Pistoliers x 5 (114)
+ Musician and Outrider w/ repeater pistol and pistol. (also havn't written anything)

Should come out to 748 or so. I like the list and the way it feels, very aggressive with a lot of punch. The upgrade to 1000 points is simply another unit of swordsmen w/ halberd detachement, and bringing them both up to 25 swords.

Hello! I am slowly building up an Empire force, and this is my first attempts at a list, after reading some people's ideas about the army.

This list is designed to function in either a regular 500 pt game, or a Border patrol. I dont have enough money to do one for each.

Carroburg Border Patrol

Maj. Bonhiem’s Brigade.
The Brigade is a fairly new formation in Carroburg’s arsenal, raised primary for patrol and minor skirmishes, Bonheim has, however, often joined his force to larger Middenlander or Corroburger formations.

Major Anders Johann Bonheim – Level 1 Bright (Fire) Wizard
   -Doomfire Ring
   -Wizard’s Staff

A.J. Bonheim is a fairly wealthy merchant living in one of Carroburg’s many ancillary communities. He is a liscensed and practicing Fire Wizard and has leant his services to the Empire on many occasions. For him, the Brigade is largely a business venture, though loyalty to Carroburg and Middenland is fairly strong, and though a merchant, Bonheim is far from a coward.


Regimiento Weißer Falke
(The Silverhawk Regiment)
   24 Swordsmen w/ Full Command
   + 10 Halberdier
   + 10 Halberdier

The Silver Hawk’s Regiment is a new formation, having cut its teeth at the Skirmish at Skull Rock. They have been designated “Schwarz-Regimiento Carroburger No. 27” by the Carroburg administration. Though more efficient, the numbering system is a lot less romantic, and the number is only used in an official capacity.

Regimiento Fusilier Carroburger no. 2 (3rd Battalion)
(III/2nd Carroburg Fusiliers)
   10 Handgunners w/ Musician

The 2nd Carroburg Fusiliers are a collection of independent Handgunner units (terming themselves Battalions) allied under one regimental banner. Unit strength from one battalion to the next varies greatly.


PHANTOM EDIT: How would you take this list to the next level, i/e 750 points?

I had been debating upgrading the wizard to lvl 2. Adding a captisus with fullplate, shield, and a lance, and tossing in a unit of Pistoliers.