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Played twice today,1 win against Dwarf with 2 cannons 1 gyro +1 Org. Gun and 20 thunderers1 ,draw against BoC with a Shaggoth 3 Chariots and 13 power dice(tzeetch) here is my army:

            2250 Pts  -   Empire Army

1 Arch Lector of Sigmar  305 Pts
     General
     Van Horstman's Speculum [30]
     Hammer of Judgement [25]
     Armour of Meteoric Iron [25]
     War Altar

1 Warrior Priest of Sigmar  160 Pts
     Barding; Prayers of Sigmar; Heavy Armour; Shield; Warhorse
     Rod of Command [50]

1 Captain  152 Pts
     Barding; Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard; Warhorse
     Banner of Griffon [55]

1 Battle Wizard  150 Pts(Beast)
     Magic Level 2
     Rod of Power [30]
     Ring of Volans [20]

5 Knightly Orders  115 Pts
     

5 Knightly Orders  115 Pts

10 Flagellant Warbands (Core)  100 Pts
     

25 Swordsmen Full 175 Pts

7 Knightly Orders Full 226 Pts
     War Banner [25]


5 Outriders  134 Pts
     1 Outrider Champion  [21] Pts
          Hochland Long Rifle

5 Outriders  134 Pts
     1 Outrider Champion  [21] Pts
          Hochland Long Rifle

24 Greatswords Full 270 Pts
 
1 Great Cannon  100 Pts

1 Helblaster Volley Gun  110 Pts

Casting Pool: 4

Dispel Pool: 6

Models in Army: 99


Total Army Cost: 2246

My opponent really hated playing against the War Altar(which never died)...it's under costed and way to powerful and I think I'll have to play it on occasion only  against him anyway.

He think that the stank is nearly useless now and I think I'll replace my WA for it to show him he's wrong as I personnally think it is very strong even now.I'll put my AL on horse with dawn armor in the GS unit and manage the point to get to 2250 by removing 1 nilla knight+ 1 outrider unit.

I feel that 20 Xbows would fare better than outriders too...2 det. of 10 or something like that

HLR are something I should resist to take too

Here are my 2 all around lists I use ,I'd like to know wich one you prefer and why:

My first one look alot like my old list(before NEB) except that I've replace characters for WP mostly to get better magic defence without loosing much punch with hatred.

I've also replace my handgunners for Xbows although I used Xbow anyway.

I've drop a cannon for the Rocket and added outriders

I used IC knights but I can't now that they are special ,anyway hatred counter balance this.

From time to times I replace some units for a Stank but It's just for fun as the army get better results like it is more so now that the stank is weaker.

-1rst Empire  2250 Pts 

 Arch Lector of Sigmar  239 Pts
     General; Barding; Shield; Warhorse
     Dawn Armour [35]
     Hammer of Judgement [25]
     Van Horstman's Speculum [30]

 Captain  137 Pts
     Barding; Full Plate Armor; Battle Standard; Warhorse
     Icon of Magnus [25]
     Sword of Might [15]

 Battle Wizard  95 Pts
     Magic Level 1
     Rod of Power [30]

 Warrior Priest of Sigmar  110 Pts
     Barding; Heavy Armour; Shield; Warhorse

10 Crossbowmen  160 Pts
     5  Crossbowmen 
     5  Crossbowmen 

24 Swordsmen Full 262 Pts(wizard)
     9  Free Company
     6  Crossbowmen

5 Knightly Orders  115 Pts

5 Knightly Orders  115 Pts

6 Knightly Orders  203 Pts(AL)
     Full+War Banner [25]

6 Knightly Orders  178 Pts(WP)
     Full Command

1 Great Cannon  100 Pts

5 Outriders  113 Pts
      Musi

5 Pistoliers  114 Pts
      Musi/Campion+Repeater Pistol

16 Greatswords  190 Pts(BSB)
      Full

1 Helstorm Rocket Batter  115 Pts

Casting Pool: 3

Dispel Pool: 6

Models in Army: 119


Total Army Cost: 2246


Now my second list is more ''elite'' and has no war machine but still effective with a very different style of play wich was the point.

sometimes I replace the IC knights for GS but without a BSB I don't like them as much.

I haven't play this one as much as the other but it fared well ,although I must be more careful.

The war altar is a nasty nasty bugger

-2nd listEmpire 2250 Pts

 Arch Lector of Sigmar  305 Pts
     General;
     Van Horstman's Speculum [30]
     Hammer of Judgement [25]
     Armour of Meteoric Iron [25]
     War Altar

 Warrior Priest of Sigmar  134 Pts
     Barding; Great Weapon; Heavy Armour; Shield; Warhorse
     Ring of Volans [20]

 Captain  157 Pts
     Lance; Full Plate Armor; Pegasus
     Doomfire Ring [30]
     Enchanted Shield [15]

1 Battle Wizard of the Bright Order  130 Pts
     Magic Level 2; Lore of Fire
     Rod of Power [30]

5 Knightly Orders  115 Pts

5 Knightly Orders  115 Pts

12 Crossbowmen  101 Pts
      Musician

10 Flagellant Warbands  100 Pts


24 Swordsmen  262 Pts
     6 Crossbowmen [48] Pts
     9 Free Company [45] Pts
         

7 Knightly Orders  226 Pts
     Full+War Banner [25]

7 IC Knights Full 222 Pts

5 Outriders  134 Pts
      Musician; Champion  [21] Pts
      Hochland Long Rifle

5 Outriders  134 Pts
      Musician; Champion  [21] Pts
      Hochland Long Rifle

5 Pistoliers  114 Pts
      Musician ,Outrider  [17] Pts
      Repeater Pistol

Casting Pool: 4

Dispel Pool: 6

Models in Army: 106


Total Army Cost: 2249

So wich one you prefer and why?

Sorry if it as been ask already but where is it stated in the rule book that ''hatred'' only affect the rider in 7th ed.

I know that my horses should not be inspired by the thundering speech of my WP but you never know with Games-Workshop these days