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Edit I: Ok, I'm definitly going to change the Spears.
- 1 Detachment of Handgunners
+1 Detachment of Halberds (i dont have any more Free Co) at 9 models strong.
+ a few handgunners to the existing detachment.

As for the wizard and other hero choices...not quite sure what I'll be doing with them yet.
I've thought about changeing to an Arc Lector, but not 100% in that yet

As I understand it the primary weapon of Cavalry is the confusion it creates in a unit when the cavalry charges in there. I don't think Lances are all that effective in the long term, but for that initial charge, yea they suck.

Steven Pressfield wrote a book about Alexander the Great (Virtues of War) and his description of a cavalry charge is perfect. The unit charges some Hoplites, penetrates the formation and basically the horses, not used to being in tight spaces flip the eff out and start kicking wildly and stuff and then the Infantry pours into the gaps exploiting the temporary confusion.

Shock cavalry, as I get it, didn't really "kill" a whole lot of stuff outright, it more removed it from the combat equation by knocking people out, injuring them to the point of not being able to fight anymore and just sort of knocking the wind out of them...oh and scaring the everloving crap out of them.

Maybe I'm missing something, but thats what it looks like cavalry does to me.

Phos

As my empire army reaches for the almighty 1000 points, and I'm finishing up my 2nd block infantry unit, I'm beginning to think of my third (i feel that 1 block infantry for every 500 pts with the rest in support is a good measure) and I find myself liking the idea of Pikemen.

         SSSSS          PPPPP           SSSSS
HHH   SSSSS  XXX   PPPPP  XXX   SSSSS   HHH
HHH   SSSSS          PPPPP           SSSSS   HHH
HHH   SSSSS          PPPPP           SSSSS   HHH


Where H-Halberds, S-Swords, X- Crossbowmen, P-Pikes.

The big question I have with Pikemen, seeing as they aren't in the Empire Rule book, I don't know about thier rules, or if the Dogs of War is only place I can get them.

As I understand it Pikemen cost 10 points per, and can wear Heavy Armor for a point. They are a Rare choice, and have the options for a Command Section, but can't have detachements (damn).

MY QUESTION

What I'm curious about is, peoples ecperience with them. How many do you take? Heavy armor? Full Command? Can I put a hero in this unit. I don't know anything about these models, but it seems like an incredible unit. My intention is to take 30, and deploy them 6-wide, 5-deep to get the maximum number of attacks on most stands, but I'm unsure (also put BSB in this unit as it'll be the middle one.) But, advice, suggestions etc are much appreciated.



Thank you very much,

J Prior

Joseph, I misread the post.  You wont be doing corporate law, I will call the witch hunters off.  If they have already arived and burnt you too a crisp...Sorry.  Still it is better to burn an innocent few then let the guilty get away.  Would you believe that some of the law students in Altdorf actually proposed that the law should be based on the principle of "innocent til proven guilty"  What audacity!  We burnt them, of course. 

no worries buddy, they hadn't found me yet, i just stayed in the Law Library, no one can navigate that labrynth of (mostly) unread books.

We had a few of those types here too. They've largely been run off though. 

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As to Night Goblins

I went half-sies on a pair of "Battle of Skull Pass" boxes and recieved some others as a gift. As such I've got 100 Gobbo Spears, 40 Gobbo Archers, and 30 Spider Riders (i've since sold 20 of them). Also, I have 6 Fanatics.

I've not used Goblins in signigicant numbers in my lists, but thier numbers do seem interesting. I'm planning on clipping the bottom of the spears off to make them "sword n board" gobbos (no nets) and using them in blocks of 30-40 ( ) in a kind of Checker-Board fashion (inter-spersing gobbos w/ bows into the main units to fill them out.) This is of course just theory-hammer, I've not actually used them. Though my friend Aaron is an accomplished Night Goblin player (all NGs and NG-crewed Warmachines [conversions] its a georgeous army.) And he says I can create a very competative list with a combined approach, using Goblins and Orcs as a team. I'm inclined to agree, but the implimentation has yet to work itself out for me yet.

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As to the 500 pt list I posted earlier. I modified it as follows
Argil (as above)
Orc Foot (as above)
Gobbo Cav (as above)
Boar Chariot
1x Stone Troll.

Yes, the troll is small, but at that point level, hes a fire magnet and hes hard as nails. In my games thus far, he gets shot at most, with the rest of my army hitting the enemy head on, un-weakened (including the chariot!!!)

This list is 2-0-0, obviously, not a comprehensive test, but I like the way the army plays. Suggestions? I'm willing to listen to ANY advice, as the Empire Army I've built using this forum is hard as nails and very successful, but FUN to play. (People hate my Captisus and kill him as soon as possible, freeing my cannon(s) to shoot!!).

My advice would be, drop the wizard, buy a GC and move the Doom Fire Ring to the captasus and give him a pistol instead of the dragon bow. Gets you to exactly 750 points, if you drop the musician on the handgunners.

hmm...i kinda like the way this one works...

thanks for all the help guys!

Hello,
I am new to the Empire, sort of. I played back in sixth ed, quit, and then restarted an Empire army a month ago. I've only got enough for a 750 point list (i've got a little more, but thats all that's painted.)

Anyway, I'm still fiddling with my list, but it looks a little like this.

General = Fr. Hyram Admar, Warrior Priest of Sigmar w/ HA, Shield, HW and GW (so I can choose), and the Doomfire Ring.
Captisus w/ FPA, Shield, Lance, Dragon Bow
Lvl1 Battle Wizard w/ Wizard's Staff (lore of Fire)

This selection gives me some good solid leadership, some hard hitters and a powerful magic phase that allows me to be effective in all four phases of the game. At higher levels I imagine I'd ad an Arch Lector and/or a BSB.

(plus 20-24 swordsmen, a detachment of 10 Halberds, a regiment of 10 X-Bowmen + musician and 5 Pistoliers w/ Outrider and musician).

I'm still fiddling with the list, but its a very mobile aggressive list that can, at that points level, dominate the magic phase if the enemy isn't full prepared for it (i have a hard time against dwarves), and even if he does have a lot of anti-magic, its fairly mobile (the captisus and pistoliers often work together while the infantry fight as a Battalion) and packs a lot of punch.

Eh fair enough.

I didn't berate him for it, I was just visibly disappointed in it, and after a few attempts to appeal it, I let it go.


All I can say is, turn about is fair play

That helps a lot actually, I don't have the NEB. I'm working at getting it ASAP, looks like I should be able to get a copy sometime around the 14th-17th, so I'll be able to construct something there.

Upgrading the Wizard to lvl 2 really does make a lot of sense, you're right, and dropping the Doomfire ring allows me to achieve roughly the same effect, using all 4 on one big spell if im so inclined, or splitting it two and two (or hell, 3 and 1 for fireball).

The second regiment will probably also be swords. I know what the fluff says, but if GW wants me to take Halberds they will need to give me a better reason than because a book says so. At 6pts a model the swords blow the 5pt Halberds way out of the water. Halberds are only useful to me as a detachment.

I will debate using FC's for a detachment. You are right, the extra attack is hella nice, I just don't have the models for them, whereas I do for the Halberds .

I'll post a new list when I get the NEB, thanks

Hello! I am slowly building up an Empire force, and this is my first attempts at a list, after reading some people's ideas about the army.

This list is designed to function in either a regular 500 pt game, or a Border patrol. I dont have enough money to do one for each.

Carroburg Border Patrol

Maj. Bonhiem’s Brigade.
The Brigade is a fairly new formation in Carroburg’s arsenal, raised primary for patrol and minor skirmishes, Bonheim has, however, often joined his force to larger Middenlander or Corroburger formations.

Major Anders Johann Bonheim – Level 1 Bright (Fire) Wizard
   -Doomfire Ring
   -Wizard’s Staff

A.J. Bonheim is a fairly wealthy merchant living in one of Carroburg’s many ancillary communities. He is a liscensed and practicing Fire Wizard and has leant his services to the Empire on many occasions. For him, the Brigade is largely a business venture, though loyalty to Carroburg and Middenland is fairly strong, and though a merchant, Bonheim is far from a coward.


Regimiento Weißer Falke
(The Silverhawk Regiment)
   24 Swordsmen w/ Full Command
   + 10 Halberdier
   + 10 Halberdier

The Silver Hawk’s Regiment is a new formation, having cut its teeth at the Skirmish at Skull Rock. They have been designated “Schwarz-Regimiento Carroburger No. 27” by the Carroburg administration. Though more efficient, the numbering system is a lot less romantic, and the number is only used in an official capacity.

Regimiento Fusilier Carroburger no. 2 (3rd Battalion)
(III/2nd Carroburg Fusiliers)
   10 Handgunners w/ Musician

The 2nd Carroburg Fusiliers are a collection of independent Handgunner units (terming themselves Battalions) allied under one regimental banner. Unit strength from one battalion to the next varies greatly.


PHANTOM EDIT: How would you take this list to the next level, i/e 750 points?

I had been debating upgrading the wizard to lvl 2. Adding a captisus with fullplate, shield, and a lance, and tossing in a unit of Pistoliers.

Yes, on the map Carroburg had been one of my top choices. The link above doesn't have a page about the city-state of Carroburg. Is it part of a region then? Where do I find information about them.

Ok, so.

I'm building an Empire Army, and doing so very slowly seeing as the new book is coming out and I don't want to buy anything obsolete. (plus i kinda like the old Soldier's Models better).

I need to find a territory to have my troops come from, this is what I have.
The Paint Scheme is a dark red (Scab Red highlighted with Blood Red) with off white (Bleached Bone) detailing and a dwarf bronze-chainmail mix for all the metal. They are painted as being Central European (i/e paler than, say, an Italian) with a handful of Italians mixed in and often a few converted models that I paint as Moors. They look fantastic, but I can't find anything in the book (the 6th ed one) to support the color scheme. Talabheim comes close, but the colors are brighter variants, and they use far too much white. My troops are about 85% red with only white detailing.

Several of my swordsmen have been converted to wield Dark Elf sabers (from the Warriors Box) or to carry Dark Elf kite-shields (same box). This argues for a province bordering the sea somewhere.

Second. I'd like to use some other ranges models to represent mercenary varients on regular state troops. My friend has some Brettonian Men At Arms with nifty looking halberds I was planning on using as a detachement (which argues for a provence bordering Brettonia).

Lastly, would it be ok if I used Dwarf Quarrellers as (mercenary?) (empire loyal?) empire Crossbowmen? I suppose this argues for some Empire province near the mountains.

Thank you for reading this far, I must say, now that I'm a little older, and I'm playing this game for the story and not to WIN WIN WIN i'm enjoyng it quite abit more.

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Another quick question/opinion for discussion: Does it seem irrational to think that all Empire State troops should be WS 4? Untrained militia should not be as skilled in melee as full-time professional soldiers.
I'd like the option for Heavy Armor, but I understand why its not there. Swordsmen with Hvy Armor joined by a priest would be insanely good...(wow that'd be AWESOME), probably too good.
But it doesn't seem to break the feel of the list to make its full-time professional soldiers skilled in combat. Init 3 makes sense, even for swords IMHO, but WS4 doesn't seem a huge stretch given thier training.

Oh well.

Also, hi everybody, this is my first post. W-E.com is AWESOME, i've learned so much about an army I always thought was gimped. Now, i'm more excited about playing Empire than ever.

Hello everyone, this is my first post on Warhammer-Empire, but far from my first time here!!

I have been playing Warhammer since my sophomore year of highschool, which was...my god...7 years ago.
-I played 40k for 2 years before discovering Fantasy.
-My first army was Empire, of which I acquired some 3000 points of plastics and a few metals.
-I quit Warhammer 2 years ago due to a couple issues a) no one in my area played, after several years of fruitless searching.
-I got back into it at the beginning of this semester because a) I moved, and b) it gave me a creative outlet and c) because i found a great group to play with.

Also, I am not new to the Empire. I collected Empire when I played the first time. I have since began to recollect empire. My collection is slowly growing.

Before I got back into the Empire I began an Orcs list. It has some goblin light cavalry, but consists mostly of Orcs. I love it. I decided to come back to the Empire as a secondary force, mostly because writing compelling fluff for orcs is very difficult, i've tried...its just tough.

How and where do you play?
-I play at Wexford Hill Hobbies in Dayton, Ohio. Its got a games-day on Saturday devoted to Games-Workshop stuff. I currently have a grudge with the local Dwarf Player as well as the extremely likable Skaven player.

Do you have other interests/hobbies?
I also play Flames of War (Germans and Americans)
-Great WWII Company Level game.
and Warmaster Ancients (late Romans)
-Fantastic "epic" scale warfare from the Classical Era.
as well as Sport of Kings (Spain)
-18th Century Warfare, Army level.

I also play Bass Guitar, study history and politics in my free time, and of course spend way too much time in the Law Library.
....and anything else you might like to share.......
I am a law student at the University of Dayton in Dayton, Ohio, USA. I'm in my first year, and I'm very tired  . I have a lot less free (i/e drinking) time than I used to, and have retreated into Warhammer and books for entertainment, except for the weekends or my girlfriend. Videogames have all but fallen to the wayside ( ).

My philosophy with the Empire Army is going to be less one of "YEA! Lets kick some ass!" and more one of buying far fewer models, but lovingly painting each one, and developing a story and narrative for the force as a whole. I'm going to name and historize each regiment in my army, and try to give the force some personality. No more grey-horde. This is, necessarily going to take a lot of time because i'm doing this in between Law Homework, but I think when I finish each unit it'll be worth a lot more to me, than my big blocks of grey troops.

Well thats all, its great to be here, i've learned alot already about making the most of my models, and hopefully I'll keep learning even more!