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Offline Zygmund

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Hobby & small kids
« on: July 22, 2016, 08:29:47 AM »
The question of small kids and daddy's hobby time keeps surfacing now and then, so here's a topic to discuss it.

My own story:

I've taught my daughter to respect the models and do a little painting herself, and gifted her with some plastic (Reaper Bones) figures. Started when she was about 1.5 yrs old. She's 3 now, and I can leave my models on the desk in her sleeping room, and they stay there, and keep intact. She never ever put anything into her mouth, and never did anything dangerous with the hobby gadgets I might have stupidly forgotten on the open.

Miniatures have become a great father-daughter quality time for us. This lets me keep some of my hobby space, and lets her participate in my meticulous hobby. About once a week, she will go to sleep while I paint, us chatting comfortably, improvising stories and the like.

Have to admit I had much less hobby time between her birth and her becoming 1.5 yrs old.

There's a second one coming soon, and you never know the individual demeanor of children. If s/he is not as peaceful & fast to learn, I think this might become a real & long dry spell for my hobby.

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Offline RE.Lee

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2016, 08:51:40 AM »
Thats one disciplined daughter you have there ;) My boy is 6 months now and his going to sleep around 8pm gives my a couple of hours free time now and then so I've managed to do some hobby. I've imagined this was going to change for the worse once he's older, but your story gives me hope that he might yet learn respect for the miniatures. Time will tell I guess? Thanks for sharing your experience!  :::cheers:::
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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2016, 09:03:23 AM »
I've got a small horde of models put aside that I am supposed to be painting for my boys (painting in a basic style, if indeed it is possible to paint in a more basic manner than the way I do). I have plans to 'work' with the boys to map and populate a world and then play roleplaying and wargaming games in it, incorporating whatever they like - running through the woods and lego if they wish. But ... I am constantly putting it off to finish some campaign project instead, and my older boy seems very unlikely to go along with any of it as he has virtually no interest in make believe play of any kind. This morning he ws playing at doctors with his little brother - basically shouting out announcements concerning which room number to go to, then examining arms and legs and applying plasters. But that doesn't seem quite as 'make believe' as castles and dragons and armies of goblins. It's more reenactment of the mundane world than fantasy. It's frustrating.

I think of my own youth (of imagination and spaceship models and toy soldiers and alternative universe WW2 countries and castle sieges using lollipop stick siege towers and painting/modelling galore) as a glorious time. But you can't make two little boys feel the same. To them, toy soldiers are just a part of daddy's (uninteresting?) world, and besides, they've got lap tops and tablets with games and distraction galore.
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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2016, 10:52:47 AM »
basically shouting out announcements concerning which room number to go to, then examining arms and legs and applying plasters

Totally my job  :biggriin:

Both me and my sister were totally into fantasy worlds when we were kids. I can't even imagine Tom would be any different, but its totally a possibility, as you say Padre. Reminds me of the Monty Python coal miner son sketch monty python coal miner sketch

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Offline GamesPoet

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2016, 12:03:47 PM »
I have 6 nephews and 2 nieces.  They are all playing board games and games with miniatures.  I started with the first one when he was four.
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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2016, 04:16:56 PM »
5 and 3 year old but enough to leave alone. 10 month old too small tk ewXh my table, so i can leave stuff out.

When I go through stages where I can't leave it out I just don't do anything.
I don't care about the rules.

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Offline ZeroTwentythree

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2016, 04:12:22 AM »
My own story, then...

My daughter turns 5 in a week. Without getting into too much detail, between work and family, I'm occupied from around 7am through at least 10pm. Weekends are nearly the same schedule. Most of my painting, etc. is done after that (late at night.) So gaming at stores or with anyone with a regular schedule is just about out of the question. I've only had a few weekend games or game days in the past 5 years.

As I've mentioned on my blog/plog, I've just moved (still unpacking & settling in.) Previously I had an attic, with it's own separate, locked entrance from the rest of our house. So I had the luxury of space, storage, and a gaming table. Although I hadn't started, I was working towards the goal of playing solo or remote games, and leaving the table set up for days/weeks so I could play a turn at a time as time allowed.

The new house is a bit smaller, and... more awkwardly arranged, for lack of a better description. Most of my stuff is in storage for now. I've been debating how to arrange a multi-function desk for both work, painting, etc. Even that is seeming like a daunting problem right now. I'm not even certain where will be much room for my books, etc. To be honest, it's starting to seem like it's going to be a giant hassle and I'm still not going to be able to play any actual games -- not only are games vs. others still out of reach, but now I have nowhere to set up extended solo games. So, for now everything's packed away anyway, I'm just going to see how things play out before considering going back into retirement.

Offline Warlord

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2016, 12:42:52 AM »
How does one play solo games?
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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2016, 01:56:09 AM »
Solo games are when one player plays both sides of the table.  When I was a kid, I'd do it when I couldn't find someone else to play.
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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2016, 02:31:31 AM »
You can also "program" an opponent, to a certain degree, via rules, scenario, adding random elements to the game (using a deck of cards to issue orders, etc.)

One example is a "meat grinder" style scenario, and adapt it with an endless, automated opponent. So I could play my Marienburgers standing their ground as a successive waves of undead march forward. The undead could be randomly deployed each turn -- rolling on charts or flipping cards to determine how many units enter the table each turn, what type of units, and where on their table edge they enter. My objective, as the brave Marienburgers, could be to last a certain number of turns (allowing a town to evacuate, reinforcements to arrive, or some other plot device,) or to see how many turns I last before being annihilated, or to see how many points/units of undead I can take down in a given number of turns. How the undead act once on the table should be fairly straight forward (literally) but I could create a few rules to define their behavior a bit more. Maybe add a bit of random behavior in there -- which is where I like Hail Caesar (and the fantasy variant), because of the command system (similar to Warmaster.)

There are a number of other ideas, scenarios, etc. I have been plotting out for the past year, not realizing I was going to lose the space to play them.


Offline red shift

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2016, 12:26:13 PM »
My daughter is three and from a young age she has known what 'daddys toys' are and has mostly left them alone. My six month old son is too young to do much other than chew things and obviously they are kept out of harms way.
A little while ago I made myself an office which has since essentially become a painting station and currently has a load of deathwatch marines and a stormraven being worked on as well as tons of paint pots. The advantage of that is when i did the lighting I made sure there were really good bright LEDs just above so I can paint without too much problems. It's also at kitchen worktop height so out of reach of little hands.
I can honestly say I've not played a game in years but I plan to move my garage out to an outbuilding/workshop in the next month so hopefully I can make room for a table. One of the big issues I have had is that every time I renovate a room with the plan of making a man cave my wife finds another use for it which is more grown up and I am rapidly voting against not just my wife but various roped-in relatives.

In terms of loss of hobby time I think it's just a fact of having children. I used to go caving two or three times a week and I've been once in four years now. It's a shame but ultimately I guess some things fall by the wayside. One disadvantage of Cornwall is it is quite remote so I'm not even sure I could find other gamers to get back into 40k. It sounds like most of us have similar experiences!

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2016, 04:26:59 PM »
In terms of loss of hobby time I think it's just a fact of having children. I used to go caving two or three times a week and I've been once in four years now. It's a shame but ultimately I guess some things fall by the wayside.

That's been my experience too. It's not just the painting/gaming, but I haven't been on my bike, read any books, produced any traditional art or even set foot in any galleries in years now. I think the gaming hobby is particularly difficult, though, because it requires more space or travel, plus coordinating with other people's schedules. That's why I've been mostly satisfied with painting & modeling lately. (Sadly, it seems that may now be at an end. But maybe I will try catching up on some books I've been wanting to read.)

I've had several other friends in disappear from one of my old gaming groups. They both eventually returned to the hobby... but not really until their kids were hitting their teenage years.  :unsure:

Offline Zygmund

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2016, 07:26:46 PM »
Same thing here: since the firstborn, personal time has dwindled and some activities and meeting some people has become rarer.

The good thing is, of course, that kids are (usually) great. With a kid, so many simple and ordinary things have become exciting and feel fresh again. I very much like being a dad. :)

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2016, 07:40:13 PM »
I should really start a thread:

"Hobby and dads"
As in my case it was the boys starting and me joining in with them .................

Mind you I wasn't allowed to touch "their toys"   :biggriin:
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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2016, 11:29:40 PM »
 :lol:

Sounds like my daughter with her precious Hello Kitty figurines!

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Offline Warlord

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2016, 03:22:28 AM »
The good thing is, of course, that kids are (usually) great. With a kid, so many simple and ordinary things have become exciting and feel fresh again. I very much like being a dad. :)

Same. It is pretty great.

Hobby for me means I get 2 hours after goes to bed to fiddle, or whatever. Problem is, some days I am too tired for it. Haven't painted in AGES, however got an itch for it at the moment.
Like I said in 023 thread, I have a fold up table, and a hobby matt on a shelf that I move around as needed, and a box of most common tools. Prop myself up on the couch, put something to catch stray plastic, and I will hobby while my wife goes on her phone, while we both watch a TV show or something.
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Offline Finlay

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2016, 08:09:45 AM »
Red shift hiw into Cornwall are you?
More than welcome to come have a gaming day at mine, although I think it's still prettry far away.
I don't care about the rules.

Pass the machete.

Offline red shift

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Re: Hobby & small kids
« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2016, 07:12:19 PM »
Yeah that sounds good finlay, I am near truro although once you cross the Tamar it's all troll country!