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Offline Grosslyincandescent

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Real life Sigmarite
« on: September 27, 2014, 03:25:14 AM »
Think about this for a moment. Right now in the world there is a religion know as jedism or jedi. Based on starwars. So here is my question, why not have a real life sigmarite religion? It would just be like role playing really, and i'm sure someone out there would be very happy to be a sigmarite.
Worshiping sigmar could for all i know make you life feel very fulfilling.
So what do you guys think? :happy:

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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2014, 03:32:09 AM »
But what is there to his religion? The superiority of his people and intolerance/violence towards outsiders?


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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2014, 03:43:38 AM »
He seemed pretty tolerant of the Dwarfs and Elves.

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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2014, 03:49:50 AM »
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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2014, 04:14:33 AM »
I'd question the legitimacy of Jedism as a real religion.
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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2014, 09:32:04 AM »
I think jedism is a real religion because people take it seriously.  If you want to get into the definitions of religion then it does fit the broadest sense of the term.

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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2014, 09:45:37 AM »
As far as what  i could gather from material i've read for sigmar and his cult. It's not really so much about intolerance as it is fighting evil wherever you find it. It's a warrior religion really one that values justice and honor.  It wouldn't really be intolerant, Sigmarites often worship other gods and allow people to worship other gods ( provide they are not gods of chaos)  As far as prayer goes, this is more than likely similar to Catholic/ Lutheran prayer. Some formal some informal, praying for strength and guidance.  Interestingly enough you don't need to be at a shrine of sigmar to pray ( as is the case in some religions)  We can  see and read about prayers being said at several points in some of the video games and novels.  It would appear to me that even though shrines are not required it may be encouraged to use a shrine.  As far as civil issues go, sigmar has no dislike of homosexuals , females, different races and creeds ect.  It is implied that there is a large amount of respect and authority given to the cult of sigmar's higher ups ( as implied by the story of luthor huss)  but that is unlikely important to sigmar himself.
You can infer a lot about the sigmarite faith really, the specifics may remain a bit of mystery a but i think all around you could work with it if you tried. Quite frankly i am curious to try something along these lines as an experiment, i want to see if this changes my daily life at all.

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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2014, 09:53:48 AM »
What valmir says. LARP is taken also very seriously. There are plenty of pseudo-religions about, but they are really nothing more than post-modern Spielerei.
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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2014, 02:33:41 PM »
For that matter... you could worship Slaanesh as a real [IRL] deity. I would personally question the legitimacy just a bit, but that's the beauty of religious tolerance. If it works for you and it doesn't hurt me - bully!

In the Empire, they say YES to other "Good" gods like Taal and Ulric. But they say NO to Slaansesh or Khorne. Not sure where the line is drawn. If nothing else, it is a good source for fiction. Great fluff.

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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2014, 02:39:19 PM »
What Valmir and Fidelis said. On a side note even for fantastical fake religions being a Sigmarite is not a very good choice, WHFRP 2 puts one of the faiths strictures as "Work to promote unity of the Empire even at the cost of individual liberty".....

Further side note despite the recent history of how the Cult of Sigmar is presented in Warhammer fluff for the bulk of the timeline they have not been very good for the Empire. Graf Siegfried was to be elected in 1547 as Emperor but as he was an Ulrican the Grand Theogonist prevented his more ardent supporters from entering the Volkshalle and intimidated all others into voting for the Sigmarite candidate at the point of Sigmarite Templar swords. Further when Marienburg had out maneuvered the Cult and built enough power to have Magritta elected the Theogonist refused to recognize the election.   
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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2014, 03:16:13 PM »
I'd question the legitimacy of Jedism as a real religion.

It's based on human written stories about fantastical and unrealistic happenings. Wait, so are the "real religions." 
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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2014, 04:04:32 PM »
Haha.

A big difference between jedism and, say, scientology (also the work of a sci-fi author) is that I don't believe there can reasonably be said to have been, at any point in time, a number of people who believe that the occurrences in Star Wars are actually true.

There's a difference between thinking something like the Jedi is a nice idea (i.e., not a bad code by which to live one's life) and believing in Jedis.
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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2014, 06:21:38 PM »
He seemed pretty tolerant of the Dwarfs and Elves.
But at the moment our world suffers from a complete elf deficiency and dwarfs are in really short supply...

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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2014, 06:27:07 PM »
As for the Jedi, what about believing in the story per say? good confronting evil, of light overcoming darkness, love transcending hate.

When it comes down to it it's really just different names for the characters. Wouldn't be surprised if there are more star wars fans than Catholics.

As for Sigmar that one I find a bit more doubtful. Kinda hard to go around smacking "chaos" and orcs now adays.

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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2014, 11:21:09 PM »
Wouldn't be surprised if there are more star wars fans than Catholics.

With 1/6 of the world's population Catholic, I would . . .
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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2014, 05:36:47 AM »
To me it's mostly a question of would worshiping sigmar knowing he is written as a fictional character affect someone like worshiping gods or God? Would the process of doing so, praying to sigmar, or hell ulric , grimnir , taal etc affect people in the same way?
Part of me is just very curious , i used to be a muslim and i felt something when i used to pray but now i don't believe in that god or a lot of the stories surrounding him. So that makes me wonder if it's just something about worshiping something that is or isn't there that changes someones mind, does it work when the deity is only featured in what is presented as fiction.

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« Reply #16 on: September 28, 2014, 01:33:57 PM »
Wouldn't be surprised if there are more star wars fans than Catholics.

With 1/6 of the world's population Catholic, I would . . .

I'd even wager that there are more Catholics than people who have seen Star Wars.

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« Reply #17 on: September 28, 2014, 03:19:43 PM »
I'd even wager that there are more Catholics than people who have seen Star Wars.

I don't know that seems a close to coin flip sort of wager there, I can easily see it going either way
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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #18 on: September 28, 2014, 03:32:23 PM »
Looks like 1.2 billion is the mark.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-21443313

Do I hear a wager that more than 1.2 billion people have seen Star Wars?
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« Reply #19 on: September 28, 2014, 04:04:15 PM »
I'll admit I knew it was a lot, but I was not expecting 1.2 Billion. Should have googled that first.


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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #20 on: September 28, 2014, 07:43:41 PM »
To me it's mostly a question of would worshiping sigmar knowing he is written as a fictional character affect someone like worshiping gods or God? Would the process of doing so, praying to sigmar, or hell ulric , grimnir , taal etc affect people in the same way?
Part of me is just very curious , i used to be a muslim and i felt something when i used to pray but now i don't believe in that god or a lot of the stories surrounding him. So that makes me wonder if it's just something about worshiping something that is or isn't there that changes someones mind, does it work when the deity is only featured in what is presented as fiction.

Seems like this thread is taking a serious turn.  Religion isn't just something to 'do'.  Praying in and of itself is not what brings about personal change (although some would say meditation is).

Praying to something that we know is not true will never be productive.  However, spending time in deep thought (how can I become a better person?  Thinking deeply about overcoming a difficult obstacle like addiction, personal conflicts, I want to get rid of this anger, how can I love better, how can I be more joyful, etc), can be good, but not because you use a fictional name like sigmar, or taal.  They don't exist.  It would be nothing like a faithful person who prays to God.

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Re: Real life Sigmarite
« Reply #21 on: September 29, 2014, 07:58:16 PM »