Topic: Warriors of Chaos Thread!

[GamesPoet]

Ok, I'm an Empire player by trade, but ... intertested in eventually doing up a WoC army.

Reasons ...

1.  Looking forward to painting the figures
2.  A natural army for playing against the Empire
3.  Want to make some winter terrain to go with this army, maybe even base the army in a winter theme
4.  I got two recent edition metal knights and looking to accumulate some more, including the metal  marauder light cavalry.
5.  It seems like a lesser number of models are needed for a decent army and I can focus on buying and making other armies, too.

If you are interested in WoC, than this is the W-E thread for you!

[FictionalCharacter]

...i see what you did there.

well, here are my main reasons for taking up WoC instead of VC, although i have enough VC that i can downsize quite a bit and still field 2000 points, so VC probably isn't going anywhere.

the units seem almost infinitely customizable in terms of weapons options and marks and gifts and nurgles and whatnot; i think at this point in my life i'd prefer the challenge of a smaller, deadlier force rather than hording up a storm; lore of the vampires is broken, and chaos sorcerers seem, on paper at least, like absolute beasts;i should actually be able to fit a chaos army onto my motorcycle without either having to leave half of it at home or precious skeletal limbs snapping off; i absolutely love the models, and the lore. undead was where i was at when i was younger and first got into VC, but now i think i'd prefer something a little more... sentient.

also i should be able to convert some characters over from VC to chaos, and i'm going to use dire wolves as warhounds anyway. saves me some moneys (it also seems like the WoC battalion is one of the better deals).

i was discussing all this at-length with wiss today, trying to pare down my extra stuff and figuring out what to do with my dwarves. i'm on this big kick of getting rid of stuff i don't use anymore. i guess i went the opposite direction, but it was love at first sight with the chaos army book, even if it isn't the most competitive.

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[Warlord]

I was actually slightly disappointed with the Chaos Book. In 6th ed, I had a Mortal list with some Beastmen and Minotaurs. The 7th ed list I find less inspiring.

Until I took 5 minutes then to just think about it... Damn you GP!

Ok, I see a few lists of the top of my head.

1 - based around Chaos Dwarfs and their alliance with Chaos.
Chaos Dwarf Lord on Bull Taurus as Chaos Lord on Dragon
Chaos Dwarfs as Chaos Warriors (this one is the biggest stretch, only because of the movement value)
Bull Centaurs as Chaos Knights
Hellcannon - unchanged
Hobgoblins as Marauders
Hobgoblin Wolf Riders as Marauder cav
Mix through the odd Chaos unit as well (actual marauders, actual Chaos Warriors) and you have an army.

2 - based around the Shaggoth Special Character
Shaggoth Spcial Character
Shaggoth
A few units of Dragon Ogres
Various units of marauders as worshippers (use the flagellant box)

[t12161991]

I've been thinking about it for quite some time. I came second in a WFO tournament with this list:

Chaos 1500 list for WFO tournament:

Cithrik, Follower of Paths: Exalted Hero 201
Barded steed, shield, Mark of Nurgle, The Crimson Armor of Dargan, Biting Blade, Favor of the Gods

Nahrik, Seer of Paths: Sorcerer 210
Mark of Tzeentch, Disc of Tzeentch, Level 2, Book of Secrets, Dispel Scroll

The Harriers: 5 Marauder Horsemen 70
Light armor

The Harriers: 5 Marauder Horsemen 70
Light armor

The Trackers: 5 Hounds 30

The Trackers: 5 Hounds 30

The Rotters: 5 Chaos Knights 315
Lances, Mark of Tzeentch, Standard, Musician, The Blasted Standard

The Bonecrunchers: 3 Dragon Ogres 195

The Bonecrunchers: 3 Dragon Ogres 195

The Blessed: 2 Chaos Spawn 170
Mark of Nurgle

Points: 1496
PD: 5
DD: 3 + 1 scroll
Models: 35

Which was a blast (and challenge) to play, and offers some nice modelling opportunities.

I think I'm talking myself into it writing this post.

And no, I'm not too worried about the great sin of mixing Nurgle with Tzeentch. I'm sure I can justify it somehow.

EDIT: Oh, GP, on the painting side, this army is simply fantastic: http://asrai.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13392 (yes I know it's from the Wood Elf site, but it's a WoC army)

[Moxer]

GP, ou are aware that there are new PLASTIC chaos knights and marauder horsemen? The look at least thrice as cool as the metal ones and are 20 Euros for 5. THAT is the reason to start chaos. I bought a box of the plastic knights just because they are such an awesome kit...

Chaos mortals just have some of the best sculpts that have been produced lately with near endless conversion capabilities!

[GamesPoet]

...i see what you did there.

Well I searched to see if there was one, didn't see it, and figured it was about time to have one.  After all, WoC is a natural enemy of the Empire, so it's understandable why there isn't one, and yet not having one seems weird, too.

well, here are my main reasons for taking up WoC instead of VC, although i have enough VC that i can downsize quite a bit and still field 2000 points, so VC probably isn't going anywhere.

Yep, I'd recommend holding on to some of your figure from the old days so you don't regret it when you get older.  I've heard so many players say things like, "Oh if i only had my models form when I was younger", so hold on to some of that old stuff.

the units seem almost infinitely customizable in terms of weapons options and marks and gifts and nurgles and whatnot; i think at this point in my life i'd prefer the challenge of a smaller, deadlier force rather than hording up a storm; lore of the vampires is broken, and chaos sorcerers seem, on paper at least, like absolute beasts;i should actually be able to fit a chaos army onto my motorcycle without either having to leave half of it at home or precious skeletal limbs snapping off; i absolutely love the models, and the lore. undead was where i was at when i was younger and first got into VC, but now i think i'd prefer something a little more... sentient.

Sentient ... well WoC isn't undead, yet their are those that might argue otherwise.

also i should be able to convert some characters over from VC to chaos, and i'm going to use dire wolves as warhounds anyway. saves me some moneys (it also seems like the WoC battalion is one of the better deals).

Good ideas.

And yep, the WoC box is awfully tempting.  Well worth the price.

i was discussing all this at-length with wiss today, trying to pare down my extra stuff and figuring out what to do with my dwarves. i'm on this big kick of getting rid of stuff i don't use anymore. i guess i went the opposite direction, but it was love at first sight with the chaos army book, even if it isn't the most competitive.

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Side issue, but ... how and when did you acquire dwarfs

My understanding is that WoC can be fun and competive.

[GamesPoet]

I was actually slightly disappointed with the Chaos Book. In 6th ed, I had a Mortal list with some Beastmen and Minotaurs. The 7th ed list I find less inspiring.

Until I took 5 minutes then to just think about it... Damn you GP!

Its not me, its the power of chaos creeping into us!

And your list looks interesting.

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T12 ... Yep, those are painted wonderfully.

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Moxer ... Don't get me wrong, I like the new kits big time, but I also like the older models, too.  As far as conversions, have you seen steveb's conversions on this site?  He made Border Prince heavy cavalry using the WoC horses that were very well done, and the paint job was wonderful!

[FictionalCharacter]

Yep, I'd recommend holding on to some of your figure from the old days so you don't regret it when you get older.  I've heard so many players say things like, "Oh if i only had my models form when I was younger", so hold on to some of that old stuff.

i'm not too worried about it. i try not to get too attached to material things, and i don't play enough to warrant two full armies anyway.

Sentient ... well WoC isn't undead, yet their are those that might argue otherwise.

they're certainly a step up from 'the entire undead army stands there in a state of suspended animation while the vampires sit around being aristocratic and the necromancers go crazy off in a dark corner somewhere.'

Side issue, but ... how and when did you acquire dwarfs

i bought BfSP, gave the goblins to wiss' wife, and he reinforced my BfSP dwarves with a bunch of his. i probably have around 1500 points worth, but most of them are likely going back to wiss, since i don't use them.

[Moxer]

The old WoC knights aren't bad at all! But the new ones are plain awesome. My beastmen army left me with some WoC, among them a unit of old knights. I plan to convert new knights into characters, use flagellants as marauders and suddenly i have a playable WoC army. (Chaos trolls and dragon ogres are left from the beasts, too...)

[GamesPoet]

i'm not too worried about it. i try not to get too attached to material things, and i don't play enough to warrant two full armies anyway.

Yes, but some day you might.  One thing I've learned is that a person never knows what's around the next bend.  As an example, I played lots of wargames when I was young, took approx 20 years off, and now I'm back and hooked again.  Thankfully I still have some of my old stuff.  And when I restarted the hobby, by picking WFB and Empire, little did I know I'd want to gravitate towards others in the WFB range as well.

they're certainly a step up from 'the entire undead army stands there in a state of suspended animation while the vampires sit around being aristocratic and the necromancers go crazy off in a dark corner somewhere.'

Definitely a different feel.

i bought BfSP, gave the goblins to wiss' wife, and he reinforced my BfSP dwarves with a bunch of his. i probably have around 1500 points worth, but most of them are likely going back to wiss, since i don't use them.

Yep, mainly wanted the BfSP because of the small sized rule book.  Course the goblins will eventually make it into my O&G army, and the dwarfs are something I didn't initially see as being somethign I'd like to paint, yet it would be neat to have some to use along side my Empire, so kept those, too.  I can see why someone wouldn't want either.

So ... you got some dire wolves as hounds, a box of WoC knights, what's next?

[Taureus]

Warriors of Chaos are probably some of the best melee combatants in the game. Getting them into combat, well that's where it becomes difficult depending on your opponent.

Warriors of Chaos (the unit) are hard pressed for competition as the best core unit (points cost notwithstanding). WS5, S4, and 2 attacks with a 2+ armor save in hand to hand (or a 3+ save against ranged attacks). With marks you can get immunity to terror/fear/panic, frenzy, -1 WS/BS for opposing units to hit them, or a 6+ ward save (which can be made better in some situations).

The strongest lists run multiple units of knights (one of the few units that can charge ranked infantry in the front and win combat), and usually run heavy magic lists.

WoC magic is powerful if used in full force (Sorcerer Lord of Tzeentch plus 2-3 level 2's with Nurgle magic). The level 6 spell can literally spell death for any unit it hits (up to S11 or S12 hits which remove the unit from the table).

As far as the models go...Holy crap are the new sculpts awesome. A chaos knight stands almost twice the height of an orc Boarboy... And the new marauder horse box is one of the best I have seen since I started playing.

I will have more to say later. The Ruinous Powers have taken me!! 

[Nicholas Bies]

chatting to the head of Asian Sales a few months back. He said that the Chaos Knights plastic box was the worst they've ever made because you got such awesome models and bits and they got barely no profit on it compared to other similiar box sets.

[GamesPoet]

You two need to keep quiet!

Or someone higher up at GW will findout and raise the price.

[dagonaki]

WOC! The bane of my existance in 5th edition, when I made the inadvisable attempt to run an O&G army  .  These sculpts are great and the units are indeed nasty.  Taureus and I need to have a match sometime soon here...we'll see how those knights are in action lol.

[GamesPoet]

Take pictures, and post them with a battle report.

[shavixmir]

I'm thinking of building a Shaggoth army. All my armies are based on weak-knee'd pussies.

I'm thinking (in a 2000 point army):
- That Shaggoth Lord
- One shaggoth (Rare choice)
- 3 Dragon ogre's (Specials)
- 2 chaos chariots
- 3 units of maurauders

And then some more things.
I'm wondering if I should use the second rare slot for a 2nd shaggoth, making it 3 with the lord.

And then the banner which makes units within 6" stubborn.

What do you all think? Is it plausable?

[Warlord]

I have thought of the same type of list. I even bought the Shaggoth, and two other big metal models to make into the Shaggoth Lord.

Then I got distracted (as I do).

I think it has such a great theme - I love Shaggoths and Dragon Ogres, such great models and interesting concepts.

[Nicholas Bies]

I don't really like the Dragon Ogre models.

I'd be more inclined to buy a box of Ogres and and some Chaos Knights or Marauders and use the Maruader horse as the bodies and Ogre torsos...

[Taureus]

I'm thinking of building a Shaggoth army. All my armies are based on weak-knee'd pussies.

I'm thinking (in a 2000 point army):
- That Shaggoth Lord
- One shaggoth (Rare choice)
- 3 Dragon ogre's (Specials)
- 2 chaos chariots
- 3 units of maurauders

And then some more things.
I'm wondering if I should use the second rare slot for a 2nd shaggoth, making it 3 with the lord.

And then the banner which makes units within 6" stubborn.

What do you all think? Is it plausable?

A monstrous horde actually works quite well with the inclusion of Throgg.

He lets monsters use his leadership if he isn't the general, and grants the same units a BSB re-roll on break tests.

He's also a beast in combat. His vomit deal 1d6 hits, and can be used 1/game as a breath weapon!!

[Nicholas Bies]

isn't it possible to get in essence 3 BSB in your army.

Regular one, Throgg and there's something else.

[Lachieo]

isn't it possible to get in essence 3 BSB in your army.

Regular one, Throgg and there's something else.

Valkia has the BSB rule and Throggs rule only works with the monstrous aspects of the army.
Not that I play chaos or anything

[Nicholas Bies]

haha that reminds me about the time Valkyia joined a chaos knight unit making them frenzy. I baited with a niall and them steam tanked the grind out of them.

Good times good times.

I really like the lord on horse and lord on juggernough models- awesome figs imho.

[Mathi Alfblut]

Valkia would be the reason to start a WoC army for me. Just would need to find a suitable mini... 

[GamesPoet]

I was very tempted by some much older WoC knights on horseback at Historicon, but I resisted cause it wasn't on my list.

(Course that didn't stop me from picking up a pack of 4 Empire archers from 1992 that look similar to the current huntsmen ($12, yes!), and an Imperial knight from 1997($8, yes!), and a 40K Ork Mek Boy from 1997 ($2, yes!) ...lol.)