Author Topic: Farewell Chateau Montreford (Read 7904 times)

Sir Badgois · « **on:** May 29, 2006, 03:47:28 PM »

I apologise if this has already been mentioned but I have been trying to spread the word.

Chateau MOntreford has fallen. Overrun by beastmen, orcs, necromancers, skaven, and all manner of evil.

OOC that means our server host crashed and lost everythin. The stie simply doesn't exist anymore.

Please, sons of Sigmar, raise you glasses to the chateau and bid it a proper farewell

their is a new site being raised from scratch.
Bret.woarl.com

PS they call me Gaulord in Bretonnia

valmir · « **Reply #1 on:** May 29, 2006, 04:14:12 PM »

Alas, it is sad to see our sometime ally and friend go into that good night.

Although, off the record, it's good to see those pansy, dress-wearing sissies get what they deserve... wait... is this thing still on?

Fafnir · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2006, 04:31:45 PM »

While I must confess to not being completely up to date on all things Bretonnian, why doesn't Chateau Montreford, in light of this incident, simply merge with the Round Table of Bretonnia?

Teron · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2006, 07:41:56 PM »

AFAIK, the old Chateau domain points to the Round Table nowadays.

Fafnir · « **Reply #4 on:** May 29, 2006, 08:03:41 PM »

Really? Huh. So our chivalrous friends have some sense in them after all

It's nice to see a good Bretonnian web site around, even if the Bretonnian community in general seems a little...naive...?

Racticas · « **Reply #5 on:** May 29, 2006, 09:34:01 PM »

(Racticas weeps a tear for the fallen of Bretonnia)

AldebrandLudenhof · « **Reply #6 on:** May 29, 2006, 09:53:00 PM »

CM was a nice site.

They probably won't permanently join RToB, because that would drown out the old RToB, and the sites were quite different in character and nature etc.

I've already spoken on this on H&A and RToB, so no third farewell from a non-active member here

Fafnir · « **Reply #7 on:** May 29, 2006, 10:04:33 PM »

AldebrandLudenhof: Care to elaborate on the differences between these two sites? Such things interests me.

Sir_Nicolae · « **Reply #8 on:** May 30, 2006, 03:03:53 AM »

I am helping to co-found the new Bretonnian site at bret.woarl, but that site is being postponed until we figure out how many members are going to stay at the Round Table (which is a fine site to be sure) and how many prefer the user-friendly interface of CM. At this point it looks like most will be sticking with the Round Table, but the other site may get up and going after a month or so if the need is still there.

Calvin · « **Reply #9 on:** May 30, 2006, 04:18:40 AM »

It is sad to see it go, but there is an important lesson here my friends: This is why it is always important to keep up-to-date backups.

BAWTRM · « **Reply #10 on:** May 30, 2006, 05:58:56 AM »

It's a horrible thing to happen.

I hope you can reclaim the ruins of your old chateau, cleanse them of every last remaining trace of evil and build a newer, better, and more magnificant castle!

Sir Badgois · « **Reply #11 on:** June 02, 2006, 05:47:54 AM »

well one can only hope. RtoB is a nice site... the people are really friendly.

now i do have a question to ask.

Fafnir, what makes you think that the Bretonnian Community of RtoB is Naive?

Fafnir · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2006, 06:08:59 AM »

Quote from: Sir Badgois on June 02, 2006, 05:47:54 AM

Fafnir, what makes you think that the Bretonnian Community of RtoB is Naive?

Just the impression I have gotten from reading the Round Table of Bretonnia and talking to Bretonnian players around where I live. Where I live Bretonnian players are often a bit younger than others, and on the Round Table there seems to be a larger degree of people interested in the soft, high-fantasy, we-are-the-shining-example-of-humanity-and-we-never-do-anything-wrong part of Bretonnia, versus the dark and in my opinion more mature fantasy of the Warhammer World in general. Just my impression, 's all.

Procopius · « **Reply #13 on:** June 02, 2006, 09:37:37 AM »

I'm sure that site will be greatly missed.

Quote from: Fafnir on June 02, 2006, 06:08:59 AM

on the Round Table there seems to be a larger degree of people interested in the soft, high-fantasy, we-are-the-shining-example-of-humanity-and-we-never-do-anything-wrong part of Bretonnia, versus the dark and in my opinion more mature fantasy of the Warhammer World in general. Just my impression, 's all.

It is a mistake to equate 'dark' with 'mature.' It's often quite the reverse (after all, 'dark' fantasy seems to be popular with teenagers).

General Helstrom · « **Reply #14 on:** June 02, 2006, 10:47:15 AM »

Ack! It's a terrible thing when a great community is destroyed like that.

*observes moment of silence*

Fafnir · « **Reply #15 on:** June 02, 2006, 11:03:09 AM »

Quote from: Procopius on June 02, 2006, 09:37:37 AM

It is a mistake to equate 'dark' with 'mature.' It's often quite the reverse (after all, 'dark' fantasy seems to be popular with teenagers).

That is not my experience, but to each his own.

Procopius · « **Reply #16 on:** June 02, 2006, 11:10:47 AM »

Possibly you have not met many vampire-obsessed teenage goths? You are lucky, if so.

There is just as much place for happy, shiny fantasy as for dark, nasty fantasy. One is not necessarily more mature than the other.

Fafnir · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2006, 11:20:35 AM »

Perhaps I should rephrase and use "Low" fantasy instead of "dark" fantasy. Yes, definately.

By "Low" fantasy I mean more "realistic" and less black and white, as far as "realism" goes in a fantasy world.

Sir Badgois · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2006, 07:45:12 PM »

ok fare enough. But that is because RtoB is based off the 5th edition fluff, which was alot better. 6th edition fluff just doesn't make any sense and truly and honestly sucks.

But on the Chateau we had a man Named Fredercik von Carstein and he constantly pointed out the wrong and darker side inherant in bretonnia. The problems in the feudal system and the mistreatment of a peasants.

I was about to have to brandish my sword though at that comment. I thought it was a jab at Bretonnians in general, but it is good to see that is cleared up.

Calvin · « **Reply #19 on:** June 03, 2006, 05:20:43 PM »

@ Procopius,
I know several people who consider themselves Goths (although, I believe several solely for fasion reasons) and none of them are vampire obsessed. It really is a false stereotype. In fact, probably the most likely people to be vampire obsessed would be roleplayers - a hobby that often overlaps with our own.

I think one of the main reasons that the Bretonnian community might be considered naive is that they are missing the biggest rule of chivalry... it only applies if you are weaker than the person trying to enforce it.

Fafnir · « **Reply #20 on:** June 03, 2006, 08:35:47 PM »

Personally, I am very glad that the Bretonnian background has returned to its roots; their darker side from 4th edition and back. I don't mean literally, they have changed alot to the better since the really old days of Bretonnia, but they are no longer the shining paragons of humanity with which there is nothing wrong, like they were in the momentary GW lapse of the 5th edition Bretonnian army book. There are no shining paragons in Warhammer, just as there are none in real life. That works better in "epics" like The Lord of the Rings in my opinion, worlds not created or intended to be "lived in" but whose primary function is as a myth/saga/epic.

I like the Bretonnia of today, so much in fact that I have contemplated collecting them many times. I have found my needs for knights and people in chainmail to be adequately satisfied through the Empire though, with the possibility of "historical" Empire armies and mercenaries with "backward" styles etc etc, a fact both my wallet and my bank account has thanked me for many times.

Sir Badgois · « **Reply #21 on:** June 04, 2006, 02:29:36 AM »

FAre enough, but the fluff doesn't make sense in WFB, now the one protrayed in WFRP is the best. THeir are shining paragons of hope, Grail KNights! but only them really. Their are good people in bretonnia, but the society is too susceptible to corruption and greed. But people are good, in every nations. The bad people just outnumber them.

Guvnor · « **Reply #22 on:** June 04, 2006, 01:47:23 PM »

But the difference in the empire is that you have an opportunity, whether you are good or bad- a peasant in the empire can become anything- it is difficult, but possible, as he can make money by business, something not possible in brettonia. And here, money is valued more than history, and once you make money...

In brettonia he will be a peasant. Forever. Or until he dies.

I think I've shown I agree with Fafnir, Brettonia fluff IMO should never have gone over to the happy peasants with happy knights realm. Maybe it is a fantasy relam, but I think no-one should ever paint humans as glorious and infallible, as they are not.

Oh, and mainly at Calvin, but applies to all, I always thought Chivalry was/is an excuse when you lose/lost.

AldebrandLudenhof · « **Reply #23 on:** June 05, 2006, 10:56:13 AM »

Quote from: Sir Badgois on June 04, 2006, 02:29:36 AM

FAre enough, but the fluff doesn't make sense in WFB, now the one protrayed in WFRP is the best. THeir are shining paragons of hope, Grail KNights! but only them really. Their are good people in bretonnia, but the society is too susceptible to corruption and greed. But people are good, in every nations. The bad people just outnumber them.

Why doesn't the current fluff make sense?

Sir Badgois · « **Reply #24 on:** June 06, 2006, 08:30:55 AM »

To sir Aldebrand:

Because if Peasants pay 90% taxes what is to stop a rich and ambitious Imperial from coming over to Bretonnia and throwing gold to the masses? Mercenaries and Foreign powers would have destroyed Bretonnia by this point.

To Mr. Guvnor

Chivalry is no such thing! It is remaining true to your ideals and beliefs, even to death. I really do not see how it is a chance cover up a defeat. It is what happens.

Their are people in bretonnia who are infallible(personality wise), grail knights. Their are not many, but in order to become the Lady of the Lake has to determine that your mind is pure and your heart true.

And my last point. Peasants are the lowly class, that is just how it is. their is no misunderstanding involved. The Nobility are simply more important. Now we don't mistreat the people(well some do, in fact alot do. But even in the empire people are oppressive), they just do their job toiling in the fields, then we put our souls on the line when the time for battle comes."

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Author Topic: Farewell Chateau Montreford (Read 7904 times)