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Offline Albrecht Hexenjaeger

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Courtesy of Warseer, further courtesy of Cytadela!!! :Ohmy: :biggriin: :Ohmy: Pictures!
Here it is! Pictures of the sprues laid out from a GW event in Poland! Set for release sometime this summer! :biggriin:
http://www.cytadela.pl/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=678
Edit! Crap! They've been taken down! They'd been up all weekend, too. Other pictures floating around in that Warseer thread...help moderators?
« Last Edit: March 06, 2007, 11:55:07 AM by albrecht hexenjaeger »
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Offline Paul Collins

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Is it just me, or are there weapon options on the sprues that aren't allowed?  (Mordheim is a possible use I know but still)

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Thank you Black Knight for getting that sorted. Now all can revel in the merriment! :eusa_clap:
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I'm excited, yet troubled by the omission of Greatswords...

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I'm excited, yet troubled by the omission of Greatswords...

Nevermind the greatswords, what about the knights!  :icon_cry:

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As I can read Polish, here is what the Warseer/whoever guys seem to be missing (very briefly).

The event was for GW retailers in Poland - so it was an overall discussion of marketing strategy, etc. etc.

First, if you go to Citadela's original (Polish) post, you'll see certain items marked SPLASH. That means - delayed release. Just like you first release the Bret battalion before the individual boxed sets (thus the picture of Brets at the top - it has NOTHING to do with new releases and is used purely as an example). So - Harlequins box - normal release. Harlequins blister - SPLASH - 3-month delay. For Empire, the standard bearer is marked SPLASH.

Second, GW has articulated that its pricing should rise by an average of 4%/year or 20%/5 years. This will be universal, presumably applied in logical increments (e.g. a $35 box going to $40), and the only exceptions to the gradual price increases will be things where prices have already been driven up. [I like to think of it in terms of "rolling averages" - i.e. if a 5-year rolling average is already at 20%-25%, no price increase. Otherwise, price increase.]

I'm not going to give a lecture on why this is the wrong business decision (from a purely business standpoint - nothing to do with GW, this is how any similar business model works - or doesn't). Partly because I had just given one elsewhere. Suffice it to say, GW can't drive volume, and doesn't have too many costs to cut (given its expansion strategy), and so selects to drive price. This, in turn, subsumes that its content demands a premium irrespective of any competitor offerings (from Battlefront & Privateer to video games), and that demand is fairly inelastic (i.e. there is room to raise prices without losing so much volume that there is zero or negative impact on overall sales). Judge for yourselves if this is the case; suffice it to say, GW's financial statements so far paint a decidedly one-way picture. In the meanwhile, prices will continue to rise (so better to buy now - preferably at discount retailers or on Ebay - than wait).

Third, the Nemesis Crown campaign will be in the summer and will focus on Orcs, Empire and Dwarfs. The post says it will be an improved version of the Medusa campaign - since I don't remember what that means...I don't remember what that means. The campaign is when many of the releases will be made - plastic Flaggies, Hellguns (Helblaster/Helstorm sprue), etc.

On the foot wizard - the post says that GW has decided to replace the current foot/mounted wizard offering (i.e. no more mounted wizards - they can't picture an instance where it's useful, and, apparently, producing a stand-alone plastic model has run into some issues due to its size - bigger kits like the Giant are easier, or more economical, or whatever; so only the foot wizard will be made).

Nemesis is when they release new terrain - the plastic trees look particularly good. Also, for all you painters out there - GW will release three pigmented primers (shown in the photo), because they found that high-pigmented paints are hard to "get" on white/black foundations. GW's tests CLAIM that these new formulas are about as good as Vallejo.

I think that about does it. If you scroll down a few posts, you'll see the contents of Orc/Dwarf mega-forces - assume Empire will look something similar. Shout if you have any further questions.

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One minor thing, AFAIK (or understood), splash releases are not delayed by 3 months. Instead, they will be present on shelves for about this time, just like the Detachment box. They will be then MO-only. For the Empire it was the Griffon BSB (only?).

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 :Ohmy: Huzzah!

I have to say that I love both the Wizard sprue and the Helstorm / -blaster sprues... Did you notice the extra parts for the artillery? Transport cases for rockets, handguns, Helblaster cannonballs and a HLR (disassembled into several parts in true sniper rifle style!). And a shovel:eusa_clap: I am truly happy and excited by the quality and bits-boxyness of the new sprues... A Helstorm box and a wizard set will contain enough bits to make some amazing dioramas for artillery positions, command posts, handgunner firebases... wow.

I was not overly excited by the state troops (but found them decent enough), I was  :eusa_sick: by the engineer, but I am really really happy with the nemesis releases!

The flagellants seem to be very good also, but do not interest me since I will use other models (Still searching for monkey volunteers). One thing remains, though:

Where are the knights?  :icon_cry:

I guess that we will be stuck with our warponies for a long time now, for I believe they would have been included in the pictures, were there to be any... This above all makes me really sad - I would trade in all the new sprues to have new knights instead.

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Offline Jon23516

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First, if you go to Citadela's original (Polish) post, you'll see certain items marked SPLASH. That means - delayed release. Just like you first release the Bret battalion before the individual boxed sets (thus the picture of Brets at the top - it has NOTHING to do with new releases and is used purely as an example).

Looking at the Bret. Battalion photo, it appears that this is the new revised battalion: 1 Pegasus Knight instead of 3, and perhaps more Men-at-Arms. The 3 Peg. Knights box set is also being dropped for a 1 Peg. Knights box set..... all as per the latest White Dwarf.

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Is thart a plastic Helblaster and Helstorm I see... Awesome!

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@Powder Monkey - I suppose it will break your heart to know that the Dwarfs are getting a plastic Miner regiment WITH A HORSE AND CART.
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dammit u beat me to it ! I saw these on saturday and have been waiting for the site to get back up so I could post them. o well.
Here are some more pics of things to come





love the troll
black orcs look surprisingly the same as before but are better in plastic
hate the sqig

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@Powder Monkey - I suppose it will break your heart to know that the Dwarfs are getting a plastic Miner regiment WITH A HORSE AND CART. 

GRRRRRRRRRRR!!          :eusa_wall:


I am one disappointed monkey... Now that every new model seems to look awesome, it hurts to imagine how cool a new horse sprue would likely be, given the quality of the new generals horse...
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Well, TECHNICALLY it's a "Pony and Cart". Still. Said pony should probably be roughly the size of the current Knight warhorses (which, in turn, had been around since...yes, must have been the late 1980s).

Hmm. Dwarfs. Ponies. I'm having a thought here...
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the black orc sprue is going to be freaking awesome!  :icon_mrgreen: I can not wait until its released!

I cant really tell whats going on in the wizard sprue but there seems to be plenty of bits so I should be worth getting. I would rather have new plastic knights then new plastic flagellates 
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I would rather have new plastic knights then new plastic flagellates 

Heh, me too, seeing as I just bought 30 of them last fall.
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Second, GW has articulated that its pricing should rise by an average of 4%/year or 20%/5 years.

Ahahaha  :biggriin:

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Sorry, I thought that was a joke.

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finally flaggs will be more cost effective. I have proxied everything with those gitz. And now that I have 40 black orcs via much model trading and tournie winning, I can finally make me an all black orc army!!!! ... I'm still getting them bc they look bloody sweet. Now I need to win the lottery...
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Where are the knights?  :icon_cry:

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I hate to be picky about such things but.....

The warmachine crew seem to be in puffy pants and slippers.

Now don't get me wrong, I am pro-puffyness and pro-slip-on-footwear but I was under the impression GW were getting rid of this look. So we are told 'formal dress gents, no puffy pants and slippers' by GM in the interveiw, a few months down the line........ and yes, the puffyness is back  :eusa_wall:

Not quite sure what the hell is going on now  :icon_confused:
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I hate to be picky about such things but.....

The warmachine crew seem to be in puffy pants and slippers.

Now don't get me wrong, I am pro-puffyness and pro-slip-on-footwear but I was under the impression GW were getting rid of this look. So we are told 'formal dress gents, no puffy pants and slippers' by GM in the interveiw, a few months down the line........ and yes, the puffyness is back  :eusa_wall:


I haven't done a rigorous comparison, but the machine crew don't look like really new sculpts, they could have just added the current artillery crew bodies et al onto a new sprue with the Hel-bitz parts. No need to re-invent the wheel all the time. Just a thought.

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@Rufus - I would also point out that WAB is written and designed largely by a) people who care, b) people who are competent and c) people who actually play the game (and - egads - occasionally do so in tournament settings).

Well, a majority of it, at least. Regardless, there is no Design Studio or Corporate to engage in groupthink and micromanagement, respectively.

Back on topic. I believe the plastic Empire knights ARE coming, but might have been delayed past the Nemesis Crown campaign. Or not. If a delay DOES happen, I half-suspect this is due to some unspecified manufacturing/production issue. [Seems they've been having a few of these lately.] And plastic Boarboyz are coming too, so they just might have too much backlog to clear in the space for a couple of months that is the summer campaign.

Re: plastic Black Orcs. They are exactly like the metal models, but plastic. Which is great, actually, because a) plastic is easier to work with (the heads will probably stay on this time...), and b) plastic is infinitely lighter (those who've had to lug around a regiment of 25 metal BOs know exactly what I'm talking about). Too bad there is so much competition for special slots in the O&G list.

Of course, the BROAD trend seems to be to make not just Core troops but more specialized (Core or Special) infantry/cavalry out of plastic. Which means that when HEs roll around, we can look forward to something like new plastic cavalry, new plastic infantry (e.g. Swordmasters), etc. etc.
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On the foot wizard - the post says that GW has decided to replace the current foot/mounted wizard offering (i.e. no more mounted wizards - they can't picture an instance where it's useful...).

Couldn't let this statement go without a hearty, "HA!"

Further proof of how out of touch GW is with the people who actually play their game.

Oh yeah, and "Where are the Knights?"

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Is it just me or are the new GW plastics getting better and better in comparison to the few new metal models that have been released?

Those new plastic Flagellants and Black Orcs will be must haves and will surely add to the confusion of picking my next army.

How cool would a Witch Hunter army be now!!!