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Offline Sir Seigfried

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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #75 on: June 13, 2007, 06:55:39 AM »

Damsels don't marry, but...
Quote from: Knights of the Grail, p. 39
Many go about with their hair uncovered [a major social taboo], and not a few are notorious for their promiscuity, though no tales of a Grail Damsel giving birth a known.
... if you're really interested, I'm sure we can find you a Damsel willing. Or have I misread your motivations?


This is not meant as a insult against ur race ...

... but if ur Damsel's dont give birth, how are you keeping your population up   :icon_eek:

or is it just Grail Damsel (i dunno if theres different variety of Damsels) or just that not all females are counted as Damsels, just noble borns?

oh and YAY alliance with Brets! :D

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« Reply #76 on: June 13, 2007, 08:59:21 AM »
The vast, vast majority of Bretonnian women are not Damsels. Technically the proper term is Grail Damsels, though we abbreviate it to Damsel for reasons of convenience. A damsel (lower case) is just a young, unmarried noblewoman, but a Grail Damsel is something else entirely.

You know how, in the Empire, when you find children with magical ability they are sent to the Colleges, where they learn how to control their powers? And how they go on to serve as wizards in various capacities? Ever wondered what we do with children with magical ability in Bretonnia?

They are taken away by the Fay Enchantress. She travels around Bretonnia, finding young boys and girls with magical potential. KotG says the Enchantress comes to them at birth, while the Bretonnian AB says she takes them around early puberty. In any case, the Fay Enchantress takes the children away to the Otherworld. Male children never return. Female children sometimes return as Grail Damsels - they appear as young women with powerful magics, and never seem to age. After a time they disappear again, returning to the Otherworld and are never seen again. They act as the priestesses of the Lady and are honoured greatly.

Since it is only children with magical ability that are taken, most people never are. Grail Damsels make up a tiny proportion of the population.

Some extra points -
- Yes, the Fay Enchantress is kidnapping children without their parents' consent. It is supposed to be a great honour, but some parents, if they are wealthy and manage to spot their child's talent before the Fay does, choose to send their son or daughter abroad to study at the Colleges. On the plus side, this means that there is a chance they will see their children again (for Grail Damsels are profoundly changed by the experience and often bear little resemblance to the children they once were).
- Yes, I do think this is a monstrous practice. Personally, I think it is extremely morally ambiguous at best and am not inclined to trust the Fay Enchantress any further than I could throw her, though I am rather unconventional as Bretonnians go. In my opinion it would be best to shut down the practice and establish branches of the Colleges in Bretonnia with Imperial and High Elven assistance, but most would not agree with me. Still, if any of my characters have magically talented children, you can bet they would fight the Enchantress tooth and nail before sending them to the Otherworld.
- There are theories that the Otherworld is really Athel Loren, and the children are trained by Wood Elven wizards. These usually tie into theories that the Lady is Ariel. I tend not to accept them, though I do think that Ariel is an incarnation of the Lady in a roundabout sort of way.

Oh, I appear to have rambled on. Anyway, most women are not Grail Damsels. In terms of lineage, a Grail Damsel can be either noble or peasant; it makes no difference. In Bretonnian law, there are several groups of people who fall outside the class divide and are neither noble nor peasant. Nonhumans and foreigners are the largest group, but Grail Damsels are another one. Lineage is of no concern when it comes to a Damsel's authority.

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Re: Poll on Bretonnian alliance
« Reply #77 on: June 13, 2007, 10:37:59 AM »
Im unsure about 4.1, but I disagree with 4.2. Why shall we allow them to build defensive structures in the Empire? Why shall we give them a foothold?

In my experience, Bretonnian defenses consist of the stakes that their archers bring. If we have to eventually keel-haul them off our land, I doubt that we'll have much of a problem. I don't see the problem of then building stuff during this campaign to be too important. I say Aye to the alliance.
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #78 on: June 13, 2007, 11:07:42 AM »
Damsels don't marry, but...
Quote from: Knights of the Grail, p. 39
Many go about with their hair uncovered [a major social taboo], and not a few are notorious for their promiscuity, though no tales of a Grail Damsel giving birth a known.
... if you're really interested, I'm sure we can find you a Damsel willing. Or have I misread your motivations?

Got to be the best offer from any ally yet FVC.  :-o

Also my estimation of the bravery of your Bretonnia Knights has gone up a good few notches... it must take a brave man to err.. tarry with an otherworldly, magic wielding, Damsel!
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« Reply #79 on: June 13, 2007, 12:00:46 PM »
Got to be the best offer from any ally yet FVC.  :-o

Oh, I'm sure you've had better. I know a certain Lahmian lady who'd be glad to...?

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Also my estimation of the bravery of your Bretonnia Knights has gone up a good few notches... it must take a brave man to err.. tarry with an otherworldly, magic wielding, Damsel!

Well, it was that or Madame Rosalita. Under the circumstances, I figured the Damsel was safer.

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Wait a minute. The way this is going we're only two posts away from elf porn. Admittedly the poll is effectively over and we're just mucking about now, but don't you have rules against that?

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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #80 on: June 13, 2007, 12:02:36 PM »
It's more like guidelines, really. :wink:

Jerok will swing the mace soon enough methinks.
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #81 on: June 13, 2007, 02:17:05 PM »
Yes, I think this thread has served it's purpose.
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #82 on: June 13, 2007, 03:19:29 PM »
Yup, we'll all burn at the stake if this goes on.

My apologies.
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Re: Poll on Bretonnian alliance
« Reply #83 on: June 14, 2007, 10:24:35 AM »
I say let us join forces so we can much more easy and much more quickly destroy the enemy armies that will/are within our borders.

Afterwards, we'll show those peasants why they have only a wet Elf to pray to and we have real Gods.  :icon_twisted:


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I agree with my fellow Ulrican. It's only natural for men to stand with their brothers, especialy when the ones who were supposed to be our alllies decided not to adhere to their oaths.

Make no mistake though, when this is over, any claims by the bret crown on Imperial land will be met with severe force. Boy with a dwarf hammer indeed- We have Ulric to lead us.
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Re: Poll on Bretonnian alliance
« Reply #84 on: June 14, 2007, 01:43:13 PM »
Make no mistake though, when this is over, any claims by the bret crown on Imperial land will be met with severe force.

The Crown makes no claim - only individuals. And besides, rewarding martial valour is something Ulric would support, is it not?

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Boy with a dwarf hammer indeed- We have Ulric to lead us.
Ulric, whom the 'boy with a dwarf hamer' bows to.

We've got nothing against Ulric. He's got the right idea about ranged weapons being cowardly and dishonourable, at least in the eyes of the Lady. Just swap beards and hammers for lilies and lances and you've got the Lady's creed.

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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #85 on: June 14, 2007, 09:14:08 PM »
Except Ulric has better armour, and doesn't hide behind a ladies skirts.


Just kidding by the way, I owe my allegiance to Taal, I don't really have an opinion.
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #86 on: June 14, 2007, 11:59:52 PM »
Hiding behind a lady's skirts is only an insult when directed at men. Ladies have a perfect right to wear lady's skirts.

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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #87 on: June 15, 2007, 12:35:31 AM »
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Oh. Hahaha, that took me awhile. I blame it on the 104 degree weather. Wow, I feel really stupid right now.
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #88 on: June 15, 2007, 01:50:24 AM »
So are we going to put and end to this so that we can drink a toast to the new alliance?   :closed-eyes:

I mean I would be willing to let it drag on, but I doubt anyone will come up with any good elf porn, so here's a toast* to the Imperial/Bretonnian Alliance!

* the Brewery has a great drinking smilie.  I wonder if we could get Calvin to steal it?
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #89 on: June 15, 2007, 02:41:21 AM »
I say it is as close to official as it is going to get! Maybe we should sticky it though, so people who don't understand could come here, read the whole thing, post objections, and get smacked. Okay, not smacked, but have it thoroughly explained. Eh?
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Offline clausewitz

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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #90 on: June 15, 2007, 08:18:50 AM »
Its is official...

Yay!


Alright, i'm declaring this poll officially CLOSED! By a majority, the Generals who are enrolled in Helstroms 4th are hereby in Alleigance with the Brettonian forces under the contract agreed upon.

If someone could make a pretty version of it i'll post it up as a sticky in the thread i'll make for it soon.

Except we have continued gibbering debating the virtues of Damsels (or lack of).
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #91 on: June 15, 2007, 11:26:12 PM »
I'd like to propose a protocol addition to the alliance conventions wherein the Bretons teach my knightly order how to ride in this supposed 'lance' configuration.  Our signature 'anvil' formation places undue battlefield limitations on my noblemen, methinks.  As part of his initiation, each of my knights has single-handedly wrestled a brown bear to the ground and then force fed it grain alcohol until it attained drunkeness.  So naturally I have no doubt in their capacity to learn.
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #92 on: June 17, 2007, 04:41:03 PM »
I like that idea! S6, AS 1+, Warrior Priest led Lance formations! Backed up by cannons, battalions and Steam Tanks, no one could stop us!
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Re: Poll - Brettonian Alliance
« Reply #93 on: June 17, 2007, 05:18:28 PM »
Wow you guys just keep going.

I'm tempted to leave this thread open for gibberings, but I'm not since I need to get some work done and don't want this distraction.

Locked, but interesting.
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