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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #475 on: July 01, 2012, 05:47:08 PM »
Started modeling the Chevaliers l'Eléphant. Going to try two of them first. Riders are de-chaos-ified and assembled. Have some gap filling & details to do, but I'm going to keep them fairly simple. My original plan was to put a caparison on each elephant. I'm still thinking of doing that, but having a few minor doubts. Also need to make up my mind how to do that -- most likely just do it with putty, but had considered trying to to use sheet styrene or a combo of the styrene + putty.


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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #476 on: July 01, 2012, 06:43:58 PM »
Realized that I'd  be starting off with a unit of three, so figured I may as well get all three ready at once.



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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #477 on: July 01, 2012, 11:05:27 PM »
Those look great. You need to add some tusks in, however - the baby elephants don't have them, and that makes them look very young.
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #478 on: July 01, 2012, 11:10:51 PM »
awesome work , love the plog , just wondered , from what I ahve read there are no official colours for Marienburg.

Is it literally a multi colour fest?

I'm thinking about my own Militia from Marienburg, 50 men.

Would appreciate your input.  :eusa_clap:
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #479 on: July 02, 2012, 12:01:27 AM »
Marienburg
The largest and wealthiest city in the Old World.  Marienburg stands at the mouth of the river Reik. Marienburg seceded from the Empire in the year 2429 thanks to vast bribes and the greed of Emperor Dieter IV. 
Now ruled by Burgomeisters and powerful mercantile guilds, Marienburg fields a large army that  includes many well paid mercenaries.  The  Marienburg colours are red, blue and yellow, and sumptuous showy uniforms are commonplace.

ref:Uniforms and Heraldry of the Empire pg 58

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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #480 on: July 02, 2012, 12:29:32 AM »
Marienburg
The largest and wealthiest city in the Old World.  Marienburg stands at the mouth of the river Reik. Marienburg seceded from the Empire in the year 2429 thanks to vast bribes and the greed of Emperor Dieter IV. 
Now ruled by Burgomeisters and powerful mercantile guilds, Marienburg fields a large army that  includes many well paid mercenaries.  The  Marienburg colours are red, blue and yellow, and sumptuous showy uniforms are commonplace.

ref:Uniforms and Heraldry of the Empire pg 58


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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #481 on: July 02, 2012, 03:05:41 AM »
I started down the Marienburg path in a previous edition. There weren't any "official" colors (that I was aware of) and the army was described as being a lot of hired mercenaries. So I went with a landsknecht mercenary look.

I've kept a few things "uniformed" like my knights (since they belong to a knightly order) and the halflings (not uniforms, per se, but just more earthy & similar colors) where appropriate. I have also been considering doing some of my own "Regiments of Renown" (fluff, not rules) some of which may have uniforms.


Those look great. You need to add some tusks in, however - the baby elephants don't have them, and that makes them look very young.

I'm planning on tusks for all of them. Paint should also help take some of the "happy" look away from them as well. A few will probably end up with a few pieces of armour. (I know at least one will be getting an armoured head plate.)


I'm contemplating an idea... what do you all think of making a unit champion riding in a howdah instead of just on the elephant's back?
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #482 on: July 02, 2012, 04:10:52 AM »
While Marienburg's colors may have been established, remember that the city is home to many powerful burgomeisters, merchants, mercenaries and lords, Most of which would have private armies that would fight in times of need I'm sure. After all many would have financial interests tied up in the city and therefore would have a vested interest in helping to protect it. Therefore I would imagine anything goes as far as color selection.
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #483 on: July 02, 2012, 11:41:02 AM »
Howda sounds like a great idea. That would make it clear who is Da Boss.
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #484 on: July 02, 2012, 12:52:16 PM »
Little baby elephant knights befuddles the brain.

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« Reply #485 on: July 02, 2012, 08:48:18 PM »
Just love the elephants

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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #486 on: July 14, 2012, 06:21:39 AM »
No progress on the elephants, but I did paint a courtier (mage?) and a semi-civilian (militia?)




The guy on the left if from AEG, from the Clan Wars range. I imagine him as being a merchant-envoy in Marienburg who happens to get caught up in... whatever.
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #487 on: July 15, 2012, 05:29:45 AM »
Meant to post this last time. I took the pic for the "whole army pic" thread. Not the best quality, but I don't have a good spot to take a pic like this at the moment.





Also, in the "how many points" thread, I came up with the below inventory of painted stuff.

68 swordsmen (476)
78 spearmen (390)
37 handgunners (333)
15 archers (49)
10 crossbowmen (90)
12 knights (264)
25 greatswords (275)
7 pistoliers (126)
2 HRL (240)
1 HVG (120)
3 mortars (300)
5 cannons (600)
2 steam tanks (500)

+ misc. extras (spare musicians, standards, casualties, militia, etc.)

5 engineers (325)
5 mages (325)
2 warrior priests (170)
1 infantry GotE (95)
1 mounted GotE (95)
1 infantry BSB (75)
1 captasus (105)


I don't have exact numbers on the unpainted stuff, but generally I think I've got a good 70+/- of the old plastic state troops, which will probably end up as halberdiers, some DoW figures -- the only relevant ones probably being about 15-20 crossbowmen, plus two boxes of the Zvezda Royal Infantry, which could be build for a mix of troop types (about 40 figures total??) about 20 Artizan pikemen + 5 more Foundry pikemen, 10 or so handgunners, a dozen plastic GW spearmen, a unit of 30 Front Rank billmen (halberdiers) and a couple boxes of Perry medievals that could possibly end up in the Empire army. Plus the demigryph alternatives I'm working on, a few more heroes, etc...

So in terms of the above, if I keep painting, I'd revise, round and/or add the approximate troop totals as:

70 swordsmen
100 spearmen
100 halberdiers
30 greatswords
30 archers
50 handgunners
30 archers
12 knights
6 demigryphs
30 greatswords
7 pistoliers

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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #488 on: July 15, 2012, 06:01:51 AM »
Thinking about the WFB of my youth. My friends and I used to get together over Christmas/winter break and play a giant multi-day game of WFB, trying to put as much of our armies on the table at once. We still used a pre-determined points limit. We also had some really basic scenario rules (usually just an objective, centered around capturing Santa Claus and his sleigh of goodies.) This was way back in the days of 3rd edition.

At any rate... thinking about a big game now. Bigger than what's pictured in the above image. Need to get back to painting!

Also: buildings. Still have a couple of the Armorcast buildings to put together. Also I may or may not have just downloaded a PDF of the old Warhammer Townscape book. I previously had and assembled these buildings, but I have no idea what happened to them. I may use the theoretical PDF that I don't necessarily have as a guide for some scratch built buildings.

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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #489 on: July 15, 2012, 12:21:29 PM »
Hi Zero.
Must have been a 3rd edition thing...Me and my friends also met in holidays and made up those really too ambitous scenarios and campaigns...lasting for 2 days :- )
Each one had lots of minis, nothing painted, even the Heroquest miniatures were thrown in, but gaming 10000p each side lol, dreaming of greatness... Was alway good fun tough. Remember the Frostblade?

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« Reply #490 on: July 15, 2012, 10:15:53 PM »
Also: buildings. Still have a couple of the Armorcast buildings to put together. Also I may or may not have just downloaded a PDF of the old Warhammer Townscape book. I previously had and assembled these buildings, but I have no idea what happened to them. I may use the theoretical PDF that I don't necessarily have as a guide for some scratch built buildings.
That book that you may or may not now have can be brilliant for using as "templates" for making foamcore buildings, print them out then transfer to the foamcore, instant template!!
Then make three times that. It should be enough for half the roof Glue
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #491 on: July 16, 2012, 12:26:33 AM »
Thinking about the WFB of my youth. My friends and I used to get together over Christmas/winter break and play a giant multi-day game of WFB, trying to put as much of our armies on the table at once. We still used a pre-determined points limit. We also had some really basic scenario rules (usually just an objective, centered around capturing Santa Claus and his sleigh of goodies.) This was way back in the days of 3rd edition.

At any rate... thinking about a big game now. Bigger than what's pictured in the above image. Need to get back to painting!

We used to arrange "Gathering of Might" games, inspired by some of the big battles found in certain issues of White Dwarf. This was 4th and 5th edition. We also still used points values, partly so we could load our characters to the teeth in the interest of making things "bigger and better". Ah, the follies of youth.

Of course, it's only the desire to play some really massive games that keeps me painting when realistically I don't need to keep adding to the army.

I used to think that every Warhammer player dreamed of having a huge army to play big games with, but I've discovered relatively recently that most people seem content with a moderate army (of perhaps 3,000pts) before moving onto another race and working on variety. So, it seems that everyone else is strange, and we're normal. Right?

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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #492 on: July 16, 2012, 02:14:59 AM »
Remember the Frostblade?

In our regular league games we had a gentlemens' agreement that nobody would use it.  :-D


That book that you may or may not now have can be brilliant for using as "templates" for making foamcore buildings, print them out then transfer to the foamcore, instant template!!

Do you trace them and then cut out only certain parts in foamcore? Not sure how to do the corners & tabs because of the added thickness.



We used to arrange "Gathering of Might" games, inspired by some of the big battles found in certain issues of White Dwarf. This was 4th and 5th edition. We also still used points values, partly so we could load our characters to the teeth in the interest of making things "bigger and better". Ah, the follies of youth.

Actually, I think that in huge games the kitted otu characters and other powerful stuff becomes more diluted. Because a single model that will dominate a 2000 point game will only be significant in one part of the battlefield in a 10000 point game. Same thing with a single catastrophic die roll.



I used to think that every Warhammer player dreamed of having a huge army to play big games with, but I've discovered relatively recently that most people seem content with a moderate army (of perhaps 3,000pts) before moving onto another race and working on variety. So, it seems that everyone else is strange, and we're normal. Right?

I do both. I've always had multiple armies until now. When I recently sold my Skaven, it dropped me down to one army for the first time. My army timeline went something like...

Skaven & Dwarfs
Skaven, Dwarfs & Chaos
Skaven & Chaos Daemons
Skaven, Chaos Daemons & Gobbos
Skaven & Gobbos
Skaven, Empire & Gobbos
Skaven & Empire
Empire

Strictly speaking, I've also got a small WE collection that I've rarely played and is pretty outdated and too small to call an army since I got rid of the plastic archers. It's mostly 3rd ed. metal archers, wardancers and the old WE chariot.

Right now I'm just going to keep painting Empire because I like the figures and enjoy painting them.

Still, a huge game would be fun.  :-D

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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #493 on: July 16, 2012, 02:48:29 AM »
A few more odds & ends, two more plastic spear and two more Foundry pikemen.





I'm hitting a point where I'm a bit torn about what to do next. I've got a boatload of spearmen, and finally got plenty of artillery crew.  I don't need to boost the other existing troops either, except maybe a few more greatswords. But I'd like to clear out the rest of the pike & spear figures that I've got primed & ready to paint. There aren't a ton, so it's not a huge undertaking -- just a few more rounds like Ive been doing (4-8 mixed figures at a time) and I should be done. But on the other hand, I'd like to get to some of the other stuff. Like a massive unit of halberdiers.

I still want to work on the Chevaliers L'Elephant, but I'm just not in the mood to sculpt at the moment, and that's the point I've hit with them. (Actually, I'm really in the mood to sculpt -- just not gaming minaitures, but that's for another forum...)

Scratch building a Huricannum to work with the modular war-wagon I've got is another thing I'd like to get to.

The other route I could take is to continue with pikemen (I also have about 20 more Artisan figures) plus paint up some of the DoW I've got, and use that book for a bit of a change. I do love me some pike.


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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #494 on: July 16, 2012, 03:21:29 AM »

That book that you may or may not now have can be brilliant for using as "templates" for making foamcore buildings, print them out then transfer to the foamcore, instant template!!
Do you trace them and then cut out only certain parts in foamcore? Not sure how to do the corners & tabs because of the added thickness.


1.Print them out(the hard part is figuring which page belongs to what :icon_eek:)

2.Cut out the pieces, including doors and windows

3.Use sticky tape to join the sides, front, back, etc together to form your template.

4.Trace/glue/sticky tape this onto thick card...



5.Cut it out

It its now at this point that you have a choice of which way to build it. I simply transfer it onto my foamcore and cut it out, when it comes to the wall joints i just cut half way through the foamcore and bend it into the box it needs to be(the paper at the back you didnt cut through holds it all together). The gaps at the corners are filled with balsa wood, cut to size(either flush or sticking out a little for character)



You could also just cut out all the walls and join them,(note that the roof as printed may not fit depending on which method you use!!)
Once the glue dries, its a simple matter to cut a roof out of thick card, then add details..... more card in various strips to add to the walls. I also use match sticks etc etc for windows(and window sills), doorways etc etc. Use your imagination, the more details you put the better the model.
Then for the roof.......


    Cut twice as many tiles as you think you'll need for the roof. Then make three times that. It should be enough for half the roof. Glue.


« Last Edit: July 16, 2012, 03:25:57 AM by Gorgash Redfang »
Then make three times that. It should be enough for half the roof Glue
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #495 on: July 16, 2012, 03:34:43 AM »
Sweet!  :eusa_clap: I'm definitely going to try it, including some of the extra details as you did.
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« Reply #496 on: July 16, 2012, 04:25:28 AM »
I've updated the first page. My project list was waaay out of date, and it was really an inconvenient way for me to keep track of what I'm doing. Google Docs to the rescue! Plus I've gone through some more boxes & counted figures up (and found more that I dind't know I had!)

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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #497 on: July 19, 2012, 09:41:45 PM »
Trying out a new color scheme. Just on one figure for the moment.



I've got another small group almost finished in a red & yellow scheme.

I think I need to do some more 3-color schemes (red/green/white, blue/orange/yellow, red/yellow/black, etc.) again. Plus new color combos like the one above or more of that test figure I did in brown & grey a while ago.

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« Reply #498 on: July 19, 2012, 11:13:50 PM »
Hmmmm.  Looks a bit like sherbert.
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Re: Marienburg
« Reply #499 on: July 19, 2012, 11:27:22 PM »
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