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Offline Padre

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Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« on: March 30, 2008, 08:49:22 PM »
I got a set of 20 Empire swordsmen before xmas. Being greedy I always want more, so I made 20 into a unit of 30 by raiding my spare sprues from other Empire bits I had left over.

Haven't based them yet (I'm using multi figure bases, probably four 4 men long bases for a unit of 30). Oh, and I haven't done shields yet - not sure what I'm gonna do about that, colour wise etc. Obviously blue and white, quartered, as a background, but for all the fancy bits - I don't think I can stand any more blue and white. If you want I will put up a piccy of the completed based regiment when it's done.

First old Empire spearmen - which I know you've all seen converted many times...


Then some old command figures...


Last something you might not have seen that often - old cannon crew figures converted into swordsmen...



What'ya think? I like the fact that no two men in my 30 man unit are identical. You never used to be able to do that.
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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 08:53:22 PM »
quite a unique painting technique ya got there, not sure how I feel about it. Get's the job done I suppose.

Love the conversions.

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2008, 09:00:35 PM »
I like your style.

I think I've seen it before (on zombies???) and it looks very effective, and unique.

Keep it up.

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2008, 11:57:35 PM »
You have one of the most interesting styles I have ever seen, I cant say that I really like it but it is certainly effective.

great conversion by the way!
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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2008, 02:18:10 AM »
Looks great! Would love to see several units together on the tabletop. I bet it looks awesome once you have them all lined up and ready to fight!

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2008, 03:41:45 AM »
I think you've got the beginnings of a very striking army.   :smile2:  Your work is very clean looking, and probably looks great on the table, but it could also use a bit of improvement to bring it to it's full potential.   Here's my take on it...

It's a punchy paintjob, very bold, but it lacks the depth of a good shade job.  Not that I'm a great painter myself, but I think if you used highlights and shading it would make the minis seem less flat, and more 3 dimensional.  There's a guy around here named Emperor's Chosen that has a similar black-lined style, but his is a much more effective style because of the shading.

Is that a foundation paint you used for the blue?  It's a very flat blue, and you might find that a richer blue layered over it punches up the color a bit.  You also may want to add a little more color to the models.  The guy with the red sash is a good example.  The red makes him pop out a lot more.  Empire troops have lots of accessories that can add a touch or color, like hats, feathers, ribbons, sashes, etc.  You don't need a lot, but an accent color can do wonders to touch up a monochromatic color scheme.
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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2008, 06:59:08 AM »
Thanks for the comments, guys.

If you want to see units together, Etrigan001, have a look at http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=17260.0, where I put much of my old empire army together.

I know what you mean, Pistol Pete, and years ago I did indeed paint exactly as you describe. But what happened is that over the years I kept stopping at an earlier and earlier stage in painting, because I liked the figure at that stage. I liked the clean simplicity (cartoon like) and the fact that on the table in units the figures could be made out even en masse, rather than a general smear of colour. As you yourself said, I decided it looked great as a wargames army.

Like some of the Empire guys know, I'm afraid I don't even use acrylics, but enamels - if foundation paints do the same job, I might switch, but normal GW paints don't function well for my method. It is a very time consuming effort, btw, even if 'simple', as there's no dry brushing or washing - enamals dry brush very well but cannot wash well, due to being thinned with white spirit, and inks won't work at all on them. (e.g.) every white patch on the sleeve has to be dotted on individually. Faces often come out randomly odd (I'm not a good drawer), but again I quite like the quirkiness they have.

As for colours, I done armies where no two figures have the same colours (see http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=17225.0), so my Empire army is a deliberate attempt at uniformity and a world of blue and white. I ummed and aahed for 5 minutes before I put that red sash on the officer. But why wear a blue and white sash to mark yourself out in a blue and white army?

I will put the full 30 man regiment up as a pic once I have based.
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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2008, 07:03:36 AM »
Perhaps the only painter I instantly recognise, keep up the good work Padre!

How does this stlye translate to the new state troops?
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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2008, 10:35:44 AM »
Very nice

Spearmen to swordsmen conversion always seem to look surprisingly good, I have a unit of them myself, but not as good as yours.

My favourite model of yours is the trooper in the middle, second picture down, one you add a shield it will look like hes bracing for the impact of a charge, and ready to stab over his shield (rather like 300)

Good work

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2008, 02:50:05 PM »
Just shields and bases to do on all of them.

BTW - I've got this forum to blame for me having swordsmen. I'd always avoided them as not very historically accurate but what with TVI tactics and you lot pointing out the obvious post cost advantages of them, I felt forced to invest in a unit.

Now need to decide whether they are 25 + detachment, or 30 regt., or some other combination.
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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2008, 02:59:02 PM »
Wow man! Nice work. It's really cool to have all different models, I'm goind to do that too, but on a unit I haven't built yet  :engel:
Anyway: keep up the good owrk! I think you painting looks fine, just a bit alternative.
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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #12 on: April 01, 2008, 04:26:59 AM »
Hi!

Interesting style of painting, it kind of reminds me of the cell shade technique in games (http://www.infosatellite.com/images/articlepics/gamecube_game_windwaker_scr7.gif, http://ui20.gamespot.com/1779/images1_4.jpg).

Looking good so far, keep it up!

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2008, 10:31:27 AM »
Great work Padre, the massed block looks sensational, based will even be better.

They do have that cartoony look -- but let's face it, Warhammer has to be a cartoon world.

I used your style as a type of inspiration for my force, check out Kurtz's Dirty Few.

Sometimes painting is a matter of recognising what you do well, and not so well, and sticking to what you can achieve so that you are happy with the results on the table -- which is what really counts!

Get them based and send us more pics, with your masses of handgunners too please.

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2008, 04:51:17 AM »
I thought they were photoshopped lol. Like with 'posterisation' (or posterization) effect.

But it looks good. Definitely a different style and I think it not inferior to the standard paint jobs.

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2008, 09:14:48 AM »
The regiment now has shields and (very basic cf. the others on this site) bases.

Here's a pic of them on parade. I'll try to do a pic of more of my army altogether next week, to give an idea of how such 'cartoon' figures really look like en masse.

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2008, 09:20:44 AM »
Brimming with character and looking like they have just marched out of your favourite comics -- mine being Conan and 2000 AD -- from well, well, well back in time  :icon_eek:

The amount of black and strong colours makes them pop.

Look forward to the next batch.

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2008, 09:31:47 AM »
I have stolen your conversions in the first post to make my swordsmen out of my long suffering unipose spears.

Now I have a decent core.

Thanks for showing me that. :happy:

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2008, 09:42:25 AM »
That's a beautiful style you have there I think Padre! That's really original and I would love to see it in real life. Looked at your older post where you show the entire army and that's sweet too. I like stark contrasts as well but yours are really striking. Keep it up!

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Re: Empire swordsmen (minor) conversions
« Reply #19 on: April 03, 2008, 12:54:42 PM »
Nice work.

Is that shortbread I see?? mmm  :icon_twisted:
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