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Home made Greatswords
« on: July 14, 2008, 10:13:37 AM »
First off I'd like to apologise if you came on here looking for photos.  :blush: What I'd actually like to ask is if anyone has a method of making their own greatswords. I ask since I cannot afford a £48 unit for only 20 models. So i've been forced to look else where for an alternative that suits my cheap studenty wallet a bit better. The only ideas I have come up with have been Knights of the White Wolf hammers in units of state troops, however it does not seem that much cheaper as it would require two units of Knights, whilst I have no plans for a single unit lol. (Making a border prince styled army so I'd like to pass up on the shiney tin men. However it does allow me to make somewhat shabby greatswords.)

Any input would be greatly apprieciated. I even did nice grammar  :happy:

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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2008, 11:35:40 AM »
Perhaps you could try and pick up the essential bits from ebay?

I made five extra ones to bolster my troops from swords of the militia box set and most everything else from the old state troops plastic box. But I had that stuff lying around. You can probably pick up just the bits you want on there... or if you want tonnes of extra stuff too... go ahead and buy the boxes...
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 01:14:34 PM »
I just put together a unit of 24 greatswords - only 11 of which were actual Greatswords. I had 4 champion greatswords from the State Troops sets, 1 from the militia set, and 8 double handed hammers from the White Wolf set. Unfortunately, only 1 double handed hammer comes in each White Wolf set - all the rest are single handed ones. (Yeah, I know - that sucks) So I have somewhat of a mixed bag with 16 men with swords and 8 with hammers, but at least I now have a unit of Greatswords(hammers)! Greatweapons?
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 01:57:43 PM »
An alternative to the great-hammers, if you want swords, is to cut the hammer part off, cut a greatsword blade out of thin plastic card & glue it on the hammer-hands.

I did something similar, but I had some of the mordheim two-handed/flamberge swords & used the blades from those on the hammer arms.

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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2008, 02:30:21 PM »
After painting a few state troops this morning an idea has occured to me. Using the Halberdier arms with a few alterations to the directions of the hands to make it look awkward a simple addition of a hammer part, could result in some great hammer looking weapons. Wether they would look slightly odd is another question. The test model appears to be too intent on jabbing rather than smashing. The white wolf information is unfortunate, would hope for more double handed weapons. Well I'll be able to make two at least from the State Troops sprue.  :-P

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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2008, 03:31:53 PM »

I feel cheated.
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2008, 03:36:07 PM »

I feel cheated.

What about and why?
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2008, 07:01:41 PM »
The 6th edition militia box set has five right arms and hands with two-handed swords and left hands attached, along with matching left arms that could be used for greatswords.  The arms only have metal bracers modeled for armour.  Don't know yet how the 7th edition two-handed swords look, but my suspicion is they could be the same.
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2008, 11:01:21 PM »

I feel cheated.

What about and why?
I think it's about paying 100 bucks for a unit when he could've made one from plastics.
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2008, 11:12:22 PM »
The metals are beautiful.

And the 7th ed state troop 2 handed sword does not have any armour on the arms at all.
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2008, 11:47:54 PM »
I could have provided a link, but figured I would paste it right here  :::cheers:::

Many of us are unhappy with the existing range of Empire Greatswords; I personally find them dull, monotonous (they are all in one pose!) and just plain uninspiring.  There is, however, a way to model your own double-handed swordsmen from the current multi-part Empire soldiers and militia.

 Again, the magic wand is called Plastruct.  The product code we need is 90744.  As can be seen, these are narrow strips of plastic, roughly equal in width to a 28mm sword.



Browse the internet to get ideas.  Search online images for “double-handed sword”, “two-handed sword”, “flamberge”, “landsknechts” etc. Below is a sample of different varieties of these swords.



Use the existing double-handed sword from the militia sprue as a size guide. Cut out a sliver of plastic with enough length for the blade and leaving some space for the tang. Use a sharp X-acto knife and a file to define a tang.  Make the tang thick enough to hold the blade when glued to the hand and thin enough to fit into a hole you drill in the hand.

As you can see, I added a guard made from thin twisted wire and added decorative balls from green stuff to either end.  In retrospect, this was not well done, as the balls ended up being (and looking!) too heavy for the delicate 28mm miniature detail.  I also added additional hand guards from the same plastic strip – I cut out a piece short enough to be almost square and cut it diagonally, from one corner to another, in order to get two triangles, which I glued to either edge of the blade.



There are several different variations of 16th century sword guards, which can be reproduced in this way in 28mm, as can be seen below. Crazy Glue has been used to affix the wire to the plastic blade and to seal the ends of twisted guards for strength and durability.  Additionally, several consecutive drops of Crazy Glue will ensure there are decorative roundings on the edges of the guard.



These are the pieces that will be used to make a double-handed swordsman.  I am using a standard Empire body, tassets, halberd hands, and head with militia legs.  The two sets of arms in the picture are identical – I am just demonstrating which halberd arms were used and how they were modified.  I used a pin and a piece of brass wire to mount green stuff pommels on.



At this stage it is worth taking a look at the existing period illustrations to get an idea of what positions there are for fighting with two-handed swords.  I particularly like the Talhoffer's manual, as it is an authentic late 15th century folio, which depicts fighting with various weapons, including double-handed swords.  The illustrations will give some ideas.  You will not necessarily be able to reproduce the same positions using the somewhat limited Empire plastics, but they might suggest a direction.



This is the assembled swordsman, modeled as using his sword to stab forward. The round armor plate protecting his underarm and shoulder was made from round gauge plastic sprue with a leftover plastic sliver for a spike glued to it.  I put a drop of plastic cement on top of the resulting spike for it to melt slightly so that I could file it easier to shape.



Here is another pic of him from a slightly different angle.



Here are a couple of other variations on a theme:  A commander with a full bascinet helmet:



and an unarmoured swordsman in one of Talhoffer's positions (Well, as close to it as I could do it):



Same miniature from a slightly different angle:



Unfortunately, there are no magic instructions as to what exactly to do.  Hopefully, the pictures will be self-explanatory.  You will need to experiment, try on bodies and arms, cut and reposition wrists (in this case, it was a question of cutting off the wrist and re-gluing it having turned it, so that the weapon would face a different way.

At this stage the swordsman is washed in warm water with soap to remove whatever mold residue there was (not to mention oil and dust from too much handling during conversion), and undercoated in black.



Same with this figure, except that I chose to undercoat it all in yellow, as the soldier is not wearing any armour and will be wearing some yellow clothing.  I will simply paint his sword black and drybrush it with silver.



After making sure that the first soldier has been covered in black evenly, I drybrush the metal parts with silver.  Note that the decorative balls on either end of the guard remain a sore in the eye and are way too heavy for 28mm scale.



At this stage, all the main colors have been blocked out in acrylics.  I made sure 85% of the faces were done.  It is important to do faces now and not worry about them later, in case you are happy with the way a figure turned out  only to mess it up doing its face in the final stage.



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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2008, 01:39:04 AM »
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Mine don't look quite that good... :unsure:
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2008, 07:57:59 AM »
Beautifull models imerialforge!
As a side note, Talhoffer fought with the "Langes Schwert" which is the so-called bastard sword. It is smaller than a real great sword and wielded differntly.
But the poses you use are good enough, better and more realistic than many GW-poses!

My own greatswords are made of militia and 7th ed state troops with some knights bits and LOTS of green stuff. A picture can be found in the last conversion contest "unit filler"
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Re: Home made Greatswords
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2008, 03:40:11 PM »
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The metals are beautiful.

And the 7th ed state troop 2 handed sword does not have any armour on the arms at all.
That's true, but for many it just isn't worth it when the two alternatives are compared.
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