Topic: Parade of pikes

[Oxycutor]

I think the reason GW have moved away from the historical look is that it make it easy for Empire players to go elsewhere for models.  Not so easy to do for the other races, though there are imitators out there.

I still think their 4th edition metals were the best, and I do like the puffy sleeves look more than the current range.   And I wish they'd do torso and leg packs, so I could use up the buckets of bitz.

They probably haven't helped themselves by upping the prices so high that warhammer fans feel the need to look elsewhere

[rufus sparkfire]

I still think their 4th edition metals were the best,

Me too. But if the Perrys redid them now for their own range, they would look even better.

[ZeroTwentythree]

I just noticed the Cossack pikemen on the old glory website.  Kislevite pikemen, anyone?   

The Perry's also did some Polish figures long ago. They look great, but unfortunately there are not many figures. Also, many are armed with blackpowder weapons...

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/POLES/1/index.asp
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/POLES/2/index.asp

Also some later Cossacks...

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/COSSACK/1/index.asp

I think the reason GW have moved away from the historical look is that it make it easy for Empire players to go elsewhere for models.

Now see, the funny thing is, I'm actually thinking the opposite as well...

With them switching to plastics, paying $2 or less for a GW empire guy that looks just like a landsknecht vs. paying $3 for a similar Foundry guy, I'd be inclined to buy GW for use in historical games.

[Oxycutor]

Hmmm.  Just been flicking through the foundry site, to see what they got, and found something intersting.

The High Medieval range has a number of miniatures that look very, very, very similar to some of the really old citadel stuff I've got in my collection from when I started out a long, long, long time ago.

Compare these Foundry bits and pieces, particularly the Billmen

http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/MED/7/index.asp

With these old catalogue pages from SoL.

http://www.solegends.com/citjour86a/cj86ap28c26menatarms-01.htm
http://www.solegends.com/citfly/citfly86/fly8600r-01.htm

It must be noted that sculptors are the two and only Perry twins

If my camera was working I'd take some photos of my stuff to show you how much they are the same.

[rufus sparkfire]

Hmmm.  Just been flicking through the foundry site, to see what they got, and found something intersting.

The High Medieval range has a number of miniatures that look very, very, very similar to some of the really old citadel stuff I've got in my collection from when I started out a long, long, long time ago.

They are the same. Foundry was founded by a GW guy, and many of the old citadel historical ranges were reused.

[Oxycutor]

I didn't know that they had been started by a GW guy, but I assumed they had probably bought the old Citadel moulds at some point. 

[ZeroTwentythree]

They are the same. Foundry was founded by a GW guy, and many of the old citadel historical ranges were reused.

Bryan Ansell. Citadel guy, IICR, before they were part of GW. Even after the split to Foundry, I think they still shared sculptors.

I don't know about now, but I remember buying Foundry figures that still said "Citadel" or "Games Workshop" on the bottom  years ago.

A couple duplicate ranges that I remember off hand are that Citadel Brets became Foundry Medievals, Barons Wars, etc., Norse became Vikings, and Nippon became Samurai.

[rufus sparkfire]

Bryan Ansell. Citadel guy, IICR, before they were part of GW. Even after the split to Foundry, I think they still shared sculptors.

Yes, that sounds more accurate than what I said. 

[Donnachaidh]

Bryan Ansell. Citadel guy, IICR, before they were part of GW. Even after the split to Foundry, I think they still shared sculptors.

I don't know about now, but I remember buying Foundry figures that still said "Citadel" or "Games Workshop" on the bottom  years ago.

A couple duplicate ranges that I remember off hand are that Citadel Brets became Foundry Medievals, Barons Wars, etc., Norse became Vikings, and Nippon became Samurai.

Yeah, Bryan took over GW from Jackson and Livingston and started branding GW and moving it away from anything non GW (years ago GW released other games such as Cthullu and Paranoia under licence and also did games non related to the "GW universes" such as Judge Dredd and Dr Who, and the shops sold every gaming product under the sun)

He also re-released Citadels old solid base historical lines of War of the Roses and renaisance Samurai as well as the F4 Fighters (particularly Normans and Vikings), the 3rd Ed Brets (as mentioned) and Oriental Heroes with solid bases and metal shields.

It was funny because at one point you could buy the slotta figures with crappy plastic shields at 50p each from GW, or the same figure with a solid base and very nice metal shield for 32p from Foundry.

[Roderick]

  Hello there!

I too am a sucker for Pikes... but am at a loss on how to legally Field some units of them (besides using the Dogs of War list... i am a loyal Imperial... from Marrienburg... just kidding!) How do you Field your pikemen? Is it legal?

- Roderick

P.S. i also have a some Foundry pikemen... (and i, just like Kriegspiel, intended them to be Halbediers... and he was right, the foundry halberds are far to short...) Does anyone out there know where i can buy a pack of halberds... (like a sprue of them eh)

[ZeroTwentythree]

Either DoW or call them very very long spears for Empire spearmen.

Also, play Warhammer Ancients using the Medieval suppliment (Age of Chivalry.)  I've gotta keep working on converting the masses.

[WallyTWest]

El Cid & Fall of the West

[King]

Hey 023 how does the Warhammer Ancients game supplement of Age of Chivalry compare to Warhammer Fantasy? I am desperately trying to convince my fellow gamers to switch to it rather than the fantasy. I am trying to build a Roman army of the 1st century AD but would be interested in other ages too, especially if I can use the 20,000 points Empire army I already have.

[Donnachaidh]

El Cid & Fall of the West

Humbug, Shieldwall and Age of Arthur....!!!!   

Actually, I also like FotW and I wouldn't mind El Cid either - cost and wife permitting...

[rufus sparkfire]

As far as WAB books go, I like Vlad the Impaler and Byzantium. But then, I am bored of English history. And I don't like army lists that consist of nothing but muddy blokes with spears.