Topic: Crystal Ball and Dark Elf assassins

[MrDWhitey]

At first they had thenew army thing going and people had some trouble.

And that's the hilarious thing, VC are no longer "the new army" yet we're still at the stage where many VC players are -still- saying "Oh, you just need to learn how to beat us". It should say something about that army. DoC too.

Can't wait to see how lizardmen rank after a few months, as all my local lizardmen players hate the new book.  
 
Edit:

I have played plent of DE games and players.  They are very good, but certainly not overpowered or unbalanced.

Phil

I used my DE under the new book for the second time versus Vampire Counts. He called me cheesy for taking a single Hydra. 

[Parka]

Hydra's are cheese Na but they are way too ubergood not to have in any list.  Is there any bad choices in the DE list?

[MrDWhitey]

Corsairs are pretty pointless. Witchelves are bunk against many armies. Executioners are ok, but aren't good enough to be used over, or even with Black Guard (though I personally will use them).

Hydras are undercosted. No argument there. Simple business I felt, so I'm not bothered.

[Parka]

Yeah GW's trick of make it cheap sell more models, got to hate profits being involved in army book creation .

Aren't Executioners only ok and Corsairs pointless because the other choices are better?

[MrDWhitey]

Corsairs are weirdly overcosted in my opinion within the book itself. Warriors are cheaper and better for Static CR, as the extra attack from Corsairs is still only str3.

Executioners are as I said, good but Blackguard are just too much better. If you're thinking "I might get some Execs to help my BG", you might aswell go "I'll have two units of BG". I'm not going to, I want Execs as I love the models.

[wissenlander]

I'm talking to you on steam right now- we should all create a W-E friends group (and *shudders* FB group)

There already is a W-E.com Facebook group.

[MrDWhitey]

And no way am I joining that. I never use FB, and some of my pictures are frankly embarassing/frightening.

[Siberius]

I'm playing in a league right now which is starting at tiny points values. I started off using Dark Riders because I thought their manouvarability would work wonderfully, but they had no hitting power and everyone seems to be taking blocks so I ditched them and started using Black Guard this last week as we are up to 500pts. They have done well against everything except Bretonnia. Even they were unable to take a charge from 2 knight units and survive.

But in all the games I have played as Dark Elves I have felt like I have a very balanced book. Even though hatred is now a dirty word amongst all my opponents, I certainly don't win every game, probably 50/50 so far.

Course, I am not running a hydra...

[phillyt]

FAcebook is lss objectionable than Steam.

Hydras are underpriced by 50 points.  Is that a reason to bleed cheese on the table?  Certainly not.  Despite the issues with underpointedness, the army does fine and offers a PILE of T3 low AS models to reap ridiculous points on.  Honestly, they certainly aren't lacking in things to butcher.  I love fighting elves.

Phil

[MrDWhitey]

I love making Elves fight Elves 

Treason of Tzeentch. Ah, how he cried it was beardy/cheesy/horrible/broken when I cast it twice in one turn on a unit of 25 white lions.

[Siberius]

I can confirm the ability of ranks of elves to die in droves at the merest hint of a change in wind direction.

I can also confirm that whilst having a billion shots per turn from repeating crossbows is nice, they hardly ever manage to wound a thing.

Unless it is another elf. 

[phillyt]

I find repeaters to be ace actually.  The AP really makes them work well.

Phil

[Siberius]

I just tend to find that more often than not I am hitting on 6s or if I am really unlucky, 7s. Maybe it's just the unfortunate fact that a lot of the armies I am taking on right now are either heavily armoured (Bretonnia, WoC) or full of skirmishers (Wood Elves, Lizards). The armour piercing is tasty though against some of the troops, can't argue with that. 

[Captain Tineal]

Up until the FAQ? Only a few idiots as far as I recall. Idiots no-one took seriously. 

Why?
He has a 360 degree line of site for his shooting atack, he is allowed to stand and shoot, I don't get where the issue lies...

Fast Cav has 360 line of sight for shooting too, but can only S&S units charging into their front arc.

Also, put me in the camp of reveals the presence, not the model.

Ogres have a similar item, the Rock Eye.