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Offline GamesPoet

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Re: 40K
« Reply #75 on: February 03, 2010, 05:47:26 PM »
I love 40k and have slowly stopped playing fantasy because of it.

The main reason for me thinking 40k is better is the difference in the movement. The movement in fantasy is so idiotic and difficult. Whereas 40k movement is nice and easy skirmisher movement. Which makes the game much more fast and dynamic. Which i like.
Difficult, perhaps.  Idiotic, how so?
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Re: 40K
« Reply #76 on: February 03, 2010, 05:50:06 PM »
Nightgoblin Slingshot






I like fantasy but the movement is odd even for very experienced players.

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Re: 40K
« Reply #77 on: February 03, 2010, 06:02:46 PM »
Nightgoblin Slingshot






I like fantasy but the movement is odd even for very experienced players.
except the NG slingshot is illegal.

I am definitely a movement phase fudger though.
I don't care about the rules.

Pass the machete.

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Re: 40K
« Reply #78 on: February 03, 2010, 06:05:25 PM »
I tend to exagerate :P but Fandir came with a good example.

I just think its annoying how you have to face a special way in order to overrun into another and so on. Oh and wheeling sucks ...
But thats just my personal oppinion ;)
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Re: 40K
« Reply #79 on: February 03, 2010, 06:11:46 PM »
Well the "those guys on our flank spit at us but we canīt charge them thingy" also is kind of strange when you think about it.  A "threat" area around a regiment would make more sense....If you are more than the base movement away you can only be charge if you are in los otherwise the enemy can change his formation and charge you.

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Re: 40K
« Reply #80 on: February 03, 2010, 06:14:49 PM »
Fandir nailed it.

I hate having to Wheel, turn, reform or whatever to just get that excact angle to overrun into another enemy (which you then debate with your opponent for 15 minutes).
The other problem is that there are too many movement rules in general! Its not just the movement rate, thats easy enough, but the actions i mentioned before. They are all complicated. How many models kan you swap to the front rank with the expand frontage thing?.
We have to look that up all the time.
When we play 40k we sometimes check the book once to find something really odd or specific wording. When playing fantasy we end up checking the book several times just to check on how the "basic" movement actions actually are!
So those saying the movement is more complicated than 40K might have a point.

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I realise 40k has its complicated rules as well but in general i think 40k is easier to learn than fantasy...
Another important thing about 40k vs. fantasy is that you NEVER use the terrain in fantasy! You avoid it like the plauge. Half movement and for what? a minus to hit modifier to the enemy? Shooting isnt even that important in fantasy.
In 40k models are litterally tumble over eachother in the terrain so they can get their precious coversave. 
It just gives the whole game another feel. Less static and more dynamic. Some guardsmen running through some craters or basilisks making new ones!
Never use terrain in WFB?  Nah, I've often used the terrain, and I mean both tactically and moving in it.  Sure there are units I don't tend to have move through terrain more than others, and with the type of combat it represents, this seems to make sense.

Shooting isn't important in WFB?  Forgive me, but I'm an Empire player, and if I didn't have those cannons, things might be tough.  I'd rather not give up the luxuries of crossbows, handguns, and arrows either.

True, in 40K, models move differently, and thus use terrain the way they do, but this seems to make sense with what the rules system is trying to represent as well.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #81 on: February 03, 2010, 06:30:57 PM »
As for not being cinematic ... I just played in a couple of WFB Seige games recently and the movie moments were everywhere.  I had a unit of spears and detached free company hold off a flying DE manticore with rider for three turns ... imagine the fight they had!  Spears stabbing, claws slashing, lance and sword swinging, swords swinging.  This went on for 3 turns and at the end of each CC phase there was an increasing anticipation to see if ti would come to a conclusion.  And it didn't!  Turn six came and went and they still stood there toe to toe.

In another situation, we had a shade skirmish unit try to climb a side tower wall and the archers form above held them off with, get this, arrows!  Imagine that.  Then we had a bunch of beastmen ambush and climb into the only tower that didn't have a defender in it, because there were too many others pouring into other spots, and then run along a wall to another tower to take out the archers that had caused the shades to run.  We had the gate come down, a wall tumble down, men and beasts falling off the wall, a hydra that finally bit the dust on turn five after taking cannon balls and crossbow shots and arrow volleys, and shrugging them off has its body regenerated some of the flesh and blood it was loosing.

Yep, trying to compare the cinematoic moments between 40K and WFB seems fruitless.  They happen in both if your imagination is good enough. :eusa_sick: :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
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Re: 40K
« Reply #82 on: February 03, 2010, 07:05:02 PM »
I heard that the 40K elves are pretty cool and all manly.

Since they created me, or a fictional copy of me, I can not but agree.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #83 on: February 03, 2010, 07:14:34 PM »
The 40k backstory is much more interesting and its what got me into wargaming in the first place.  Both rulesets have their merits, but I do tend to like the people who play fantasy more than those who play 40k (in both forums and RL), which is a huge part of the hobby.

I wouldn't use the word "manly" for the eldar, but they are pretty cool.  The dark eldar need help though, both their rules and models are very old.

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Re: 40K
« Reply #84 on: February 03, 2010, 08:14:37 PM »
Yes you are right GP. I dont see any reason why this is being discussed either. It is really not possible to decide.

Everyone has their views on things.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #85 on: February 03, 2010, 08:35:26 PM »
Yes you are right GP. I dont see any reason why this is being discussed either. It is really not possible to decide.

Everyone has their views on things.
Did I say there wasn't a reason to discuss it?  I'm confused.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #86 on: February 03, 2010, 10:18:19 PM »
40k related  :engel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I97qAyRq_F0

Just saw this linked on Warseer. I enjoyed it.

Hitler on the Tyranid Codex.
I thought he should act responsibly and just kill himself.

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Re: 40K
« Reply #87 on: February 04, 2010, 01:40:55 AM »
40k related  :engel:
Ah, ok ...

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I97qAyRq_F0

Just saw this linked on Warseer. I enjoyed it.

Hitler on the Tyranid Codex.
:icon_lol: :icon_lol:

(By the way ... what movie is that from?)
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Re: 40K
« Reply #88 on: February 04, 2010, 02:23:33 AM »
I adore the 40k fluff.  It is so epicly depressing yet it works!

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Re: 40K
« Reply #89 on: February 04, 2010, 12:22:46 PM »
Yes you are right GP. I dont see any reason why this is being discussed either. It is really not possible to decide.

Everyone has their views on things.
Did I say there wasn't a reason to discuss it?  I'm confused.

It was more a reference to Aldaris' post about stopping this, because it leaves us nowhere.


And the movie is Der Untergang / The downfall.
Its one of my favourites :P

And i love that one! :D
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Re: 40K
« Reply #90 on: February 04, 2010, 03:42:52 PM »
I suspect it will be difficult to find over here in the States, but I'm going to keep my eyes open for it.  Thanks! :::cheers:::
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Re: 40K
« Reply #92 on: February 06, 2010, 05:21:59 PM »
Oooh! :icon_biggrin: :::cheers:::
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Re: 40K
« Reply #94 on: February 08, 2010, 05:33:37 PM »
Hmm... Not impressed with the over-cooked Dred but that may also be the paintjob.

The Kans looks less insane and almost as good as the metal ones.

Thanks for the tip.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #95 on: February 08, 2010, 05:37:29 PM »
I will probably buy some Kans for use in pretty much anything I damn well want. Those are awesome to me.
I thought he should act responsibly and just kill himself.

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Re: 40K
« Reply #96 on: February 08, 2010, 05:56:06 PM »
Hmm... Not impressed with the over-cooked Dred but that may also be the paintjob.

The Kans looks less insane and almost as good as the metal ones.

Thanks for the tip.
Have you seen the black version?
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Re: 40K
« Reply #97 on: February 08, 2010, 05:57:37 PM »
I like them all but im dissapointed that the bassilisk has gotten nothing new but the new chimera parts.. Sigh.. I had hoped for some bits to make the various arties. But nooo.
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Re: 40K
« Reply #98 on: February 08, 2010, 06:02:14 PM »
Have you seen the black version?

Just did! Much, much better.  :::cheers:::

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Re: 40K
« Reply #99 on: February 08, 2010, 06:48:58 PM »
I think I shall put aside some money to buy myself a Killa kan box later. I am in love...
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