Topic: Steg's Armylists (2.5k & 3k list settling for a fixed army to be painted)

[StealthKnightSteg]

Updated the first post for easy reference to my current lists that I use. (no more need for endless browsing till you find the latest edition of one of my lists )

[Noble Korhedron]

W.T.F?! In your updated lists your Wiz Lord has a Xbow?! I assume you mean crossbow?! If so, this is illegal. Furthermore, you should give him a ward save - I have had had my wizards survive for a couple more turns in all my recent games thanks to giving them such items as the Tal. of Pres./Holy Relic, Sh. of Mag., Tal. of End. and Crimson amulet. I use crimson instead of protection as Crimson allows the wearer to auto-pass any non-Ld. based characteristic test. More than worth it for an extra 5 pts, I.M.O.

[StealthKnightSteg]

W.T.F?! In your updated lists your Wiz Lord has a Xbow?! I assume you mean crossbow?! If so, this is illegal. Furthermore, you should give him a ward save - I have had had my wizards survive for a couple more turns in all my recent games thanks to giving them such items as the Tal. of Pres./Holy Relic, Sh. of Mag., Tal. of End. and Crimson amulet. I use crimson instead of protection as Crimson allows the wearer to auto-pass any non-Ld. based characteristic test. More than worth it for an extra 5 pts, I.M.O.

haha, no I intend him to JOIN the XBow's or rather Crossbowmen. (I'll edit this for clarity )
As for the ward saves, I have not needed it yet on my wizards as they have not been much of a target. But it sure crossed my mind to give them this. Though my last game my wizards got some extra attention so I might swap some stuff around to accomodate them.

[StealthKnightSteg]

I was looking at my 2k list and thought... War Altar.. how to fit it in and not throw the whole list upside down
I came with this:

2k Waraltar (1998pts)

Selections:

* Lords (490pts)

    * Arch Lector of Sigmar (323pts)
        Dawn Armour, Shield, Sword of Anti-heroes, Van Horstmann's Speculum, War Altar of Sigmar

    * General of the Empire (167pts)
        Enchanted Shield, Full Plate armour, Holy Relic, Sword of Might

* Heroes (479pts)

    * Battle Wizard (150pts)
        Lore of Fire, Rod of Power, Sword of Justice, Wizard level 2

    * Captain of the Empire (125pts)
        Armour of Meteoric Icon, Battle standard bearer, Dawnstone

    * Master Engineer (65pts)

    * Warrior Priest (139pts)
        Charmed Shield, Heavy armour, Sword of Fate

* Core (525pts)

    * Crossbowmen (100pts)
        Banner of Eternal Flame, 10x Crossbowmen, Standard bearer

    * Halberdiers (220pts)
        40x Halberdiers, Musician, Sergeant, Standard bearer

    * Swordsmen (205pts)
        Duellist, Musician, Standard bearer, 30x Swordsmen

* Special (389pts)

    * Great Cannon (100pts)

    * Great Cannon (100pts)

    * Mortar (75pts)

    * Pistoliers (114pts)
        Musician, 5x Pistoliers
        * Outrider
            Repeater pistol

* Rare (115pts)

    * Helstorm Rocket Battery (115pts)

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So what do you think? I can't fit a Wizard Lord and keeping the same fit on the AL. Maybe swap the General for more bodies?

[Noble Korhedron]

Hmmm, yeah, I think swap the general for a couple of 15+ Detachments for the main blocks, also possibly some skirmishing archers screening them as they advance....?

[StealthKnightSteg]

So! First attempt on a list for the new Army Book. Does feel like there is not enough troops... Maybe I'll swap out the crossbows for more Halberdiers + a few more in their detachments. (though I wanted to use the crossbows as chaff killers and wizard bunker)

+++ Empire Armylist 8th ed ab 8th ed brb 2500pts (2500pts) +++

+ Lords + (544pts)

    * Arch Lector (319pts)
        Heavy Armour
        * Magic Items
            AB - The White Cloak of Ulric, BRB - Enchanted Shield
        * War Altar of Sigmar
            AB - The Golden Griffon, AB - The Horn of Sigismund

    * Battle Wizard Lord (225pts)
        Lore of Beasts, Wizard Level 4
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dispel Scroll


+ Heroes + (397pts)

    * Captain of the Empire (138pts)
        Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dawnstone, BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Shrieking Blade

    * Captain of the Empire (125pts)
        Full Plate Armour, Imperial Pegasus, Lance, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dragonbane Gem

    * Master Engineer (65pts)
       
    * Warrior Priest (69pts)
        Heavy Armour, Shield


+ Core + (635pts)

    * Crossbowmen (90pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        10x Crossbowmen

    * Halberdiers (310pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 25x Halberdiers, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)
        * Swordsmen
            10x Swordsmen (Detachment)

    * Knightly Orders (110pts)
        Great Weapon, 5x Knightly Orders

    * Knightly Orders Inner Circle (125pts)
        5x Knightly Orders Inner Circle, Lance and Shield


+ Special + (674pts)

    * Demigryph Knights (174pts)
         Halberd, 3x Inner Circle Knight

    * Great Cannon (120pts)

    * Greatswords (380pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 20x Greatswords, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)
        * Swordsmen
            10x Swordsmen (Detachment)


+ Rare + (250pts)

    * Celestial Hurricanum (130pts)
       
    * Helstorm Rocket Battery (120pts)

[Archon]

As you stated, the list feels light. More particularly, my first concern is what you expect to do against monsters. It might be the local meta, but I generally plan on a handful of them per game, and I'd be concerned with only one cannon. It appears as though you might have the anti-infantry covered, so many drop the helstorm for another cannon? Maybe even drop the engy as well and go straight up 2xCannons and add another 10 Halberds.

I might even suggest swapping magic wagons, but the hurricanum just fits too well with what you have going on.

[StealthKnightSteg]

I'm not overly concerned with monsters, I think I can bog it down and kill it with enough attacks due to flanking.

But the feel light on men at arms did make me change a bit and it made me loose the peggie cap'n. So I might need to use one of my knight units now to go warmachine hunting instead of having it as another flanking unit.

And swapped the Halberds for Lances on the demigryphs, I think the +2S and 1+AS will be better to have then +1S all the time in combat.

+++ Empire 8th ed AB 8th ed BRB 2500 (2500pts) +++
+++ 2500pt Empire 8th Ed AB and 8th Ed BRB Roster (Standard) +++

Selections:

+ Lords + (544pts)

    * Arch Lector (319pts)
        Heavy Armour
        * Magic Items
            AB - The White Cloak of Ulric, BRB - Enchanted Shield
        * War Altar of Sigmar
            AB - The Golden Griffon, AB - The Horn of Sigismund


    * Battle Wizard Lord (225pts)
        Lore of Beasts, Wizard Level 4
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dispel Scroll


+ Heroes + (297pts)

    * Captain of the Empire (138pts)
        Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dawnstone, BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Shrieking Blade

    * Master Engineer (65pts)
       
    * Warrior Priest (94pts)
        Heavy Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Ironcurse Icon, BRB - Sword of Might


+ Core + (670pts)

    * Halberdiers (435pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 40x Halberdiers, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)
        * Swordsmen
            15x Swordsmen (Detachment)

    * Knightly Orders (110pts)
        5x Knightly Orders, Lance and Shield

    * Knightly Orders Inner Circle (125pts)
        5x Knightly Orders Inner Circle, Lance and Shield


+ Special + (739pts)

    * Demigryph Knights (174pts)
        3x Inner Circle Knight, Lance

    * Great Cannon (120pts)

    * Greatswords (445pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 25x Greatswords, Musician
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)
        * Standard Bearer
            BRB - Banner of Eternal Flame
        * Swordsmen
            10x Swordsmen (Detachment)


+ Rare + (250pts)

    * Celestial Hurricanum (130pts)

    * Helstorm Rocket Battery (120pts)

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[StealthKnightSteg]

What about this as a 3k list?


+++ Empire 3000 (3000pts) +++
+++ 3000pt Empire 8th Ed AB and 8th Ed BRB Roster (Standard) +++

Selections:

+ Lords + (741pts)

    * Arch Lector (152pts)
        Additional Hand Weapon, Light Armour
        * Magic Items
            AB - Armour of Meteoric Icon

    * Battle Wizard Lord (200pts)
        Lore of Beasts, Wizard Level 4

    * General of the Empire (389pts)
        Full Plate Armour, Lance, Shield
        * Imperial Griffon
            Bloodroar
        * Magic Items
            AB - Helm of the Skavenslayer, AB - The White Cloak of Ulric, BRB - The Other Trickster's Shard

+ Heroes + (347pts)

    * Captain of the Empire (143pts)
        Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dawnstone, BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Sword of Striking

    * Master Engineer (65pts)
       
    * Warrior Priest (84pts)
        Heavy Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Sword of Striking

    * Witch Hunter (55pts)
        Brace of Pistols


+ Core + (785pts)

    * Halberdiers (435pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 40x Halberdiers, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)
        * Swordsmen
            15x Swordsmen (Detachment)

    * Knightly Orders (120pts)
        Great Weapon, 5x Knightly Orders, Musician

    * Knightly Orders Inner Circle (230pts)
        Champion, 8x Knightly Orders Inner Circle, Lance and Shield, Musician, Standard Bearer


+ Special + (1007pts)

    * Demigryph Knights (242pts)
        4x Inner Circle Knight, Lance, Musician

    * Great Cannon (120pts)

    * Great Cannon (120pts)

    * Greatswords (525pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 30x Greatswords, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)
        * Swordsmen
            15x Swordsmen (Detachment)


+ Rare + (120pts)

    * Helblaster Volley Gun (120pts)

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[Fandir Nightshade]

I was  a bit confused about the lists perhaps you should start a new one for each point value and/or create a thread in the brush and palette or electors count army building thread with the lists, pics and reports on how they fared.

I would suggest the charmed shield for the Captasus a 2+ save against cannonballs or stone throwers is good against most armies.

Also drop the champions and musicians the free reform looks nice on paper but I seldon use it if you drop those on all your regimentals (keep the banner) you gain enough points to bolster your units a bit.

For the cheapo priests either keep em totally naked or if you want to spend magic items it is better to invest in protection than expensive mageblades for a Ws4 A2 guy.

The champion on the Demigryphons makes sense as he has 3 wounds and is able to kill many characters.

You have enough swordsmen in the army to make them your regimental unit and use your halberds as detachments instead. You don´t need to go horde if you field detachments of 12 halberdiers you gain 12 S4 attacks and less people can attack them in the flank the most attacks go to the front the regimental unit they have ws4 5+ save and 6+ ward against most stuff so can soak up that damage better.

Swords main or detachment for greatswords (stubborn). Halberds best as detachments or hordes.

[StealthKnightSteg]

I hope to get the 2500 one going on sunday as a preperation battle for the Eurobash... otherwise I have no battles with these lists (last 2 posts with the lists are 2500 and 3000.

In both lists there is no captasus though (newest 2500 list and the 3000 list, the old 2500 did had one but I erased it from the list)

Champions are for challenge save uarding my bsb and WP, and I actually do use my free reform ability quite often..

You are right about the weapons on the WP's though... I'll ponder on this a bit..

My idea with the swordsmen as detachments was ather to have a speedbump that doesn't get annihalated in 1 round of combat so I can make my support attacks the next turn I find them to expensive to use as main blocks especially for the buffs that I try to generate (with the 2500 list)

[Finlay]

the 2,5k list looks good, except I'd be tempted to put all 10 knights into one inner circle unit.

I also don't like free company, but it doesn't really matter.

Why beasts lore, just for wyssans?

[Fandir Nightshade]

But you use enough swords overall in the army anyway...if you spend the points on detachments you can spend them on regimentals too. Just exchange the swords detachments with halberdiers in the regimental.

30 swords regimental or 35 and the halberdiers spread out as detachments.

on the other hand if you want to go horde halberdiers and Wyssans those the big halberdier main might be better.

[StealthKnightSteg]

I have been thinking about the 1 knight unit, but I think the extra drop can be helpfull for more options on when and where to be able to flank something or that I can commit 1 unit to WM hunting (as I am missing my pistoliers now) damn core allowance!!

I haven't used Beast lore as of yet and with especially the 2500 list with the synergy on buffs going I felt I could add even more buffs around and Beasts seems good for that.

In the 2500 List I probably swap out the helstorm for a helblaster, but I want to fiddle with the 3 template thingy atleast 1 time

[Fandir Nightshade]

I think the rocket battery could perform well with an engineer. Re rolling the arty dice so no misfire and -4 on the indirect fire hits help.

[StealthKnightSteg]

So fiddling a bit with my old list I used during the Eurobash (and which I altered there already on the Magic Lore) I came up with the following.
Small Knights units of 5 died to fast to act on their own so boosted the IC Knights a bit.
Also I found that with my Cavalry list I used against Shavixmirs Dwarfs that atleast one unit of ranged gives a bit more options.
Another thing.. An engineer without a weapon option (ranged) is like totally useless as you only run him around doing nothing but try to save his hide when your artillery has died. With 10 points you atleast get the option to do something, not sure if the repeater pistol would be better then a repeater handgun, though it counts as an extra attack when in combat and has quickfire to shoot while moving (without the movement penalty and can S&S on all ranges)

The basics are the same though.

So thoughts?

+++ Empire 2500 post Eurobash (2500pts) +++
+++ 2500pt Empire 8th Ed AB and 8th Ed BRB Roster (Standard) +++

Selections:

+ Lords + (574pts)

    * Arch Lector (349pts)
        Heavy Armour
        * Magic Items
            AB - The White Cloak of Ulric, BRB - Enchanted Shield, BRB - Sword of Anti-Heroes
        * War Altar of Sigmar
            AB - The Golden Griffon, AB - The Horn of Sigismund


    * Battle Wizard Lord (225pts)
        Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 4
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dispel Scroll


+ Heroes + (297pts)

    * Captain of the Empire (143pts)
        Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dawnstone, BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Sword of Striking

    * Master Engineer (75pts)
        Repeater Pistol

    * Warrior Priest (79pts)
        Heavy Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Shrieking Blade


+ Core + (650pts)

    * Halberdiers (420pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 40x Halberdiers, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Crossbowmen
            10x Crossbowmen (Detachment)
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)

    * Knightly Orders Inner Circle (230pts)
        Champion, 8x Knightly Orders Inner Circle, Lance and Shield, Musician, Standard Bearer


+ Special + (729pts)

    * Demigryph Knights (174pts)
        3x Inner Circle Knight, Lance

    * Great Cannon (120pts)

    * Greatswords (435pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 25x Greatswords, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)
        * Swordsmen
            10x Swordsmen (Detachment)


+ Rare + (250pts)

    * Celestial Hurricanum (130pts)

    * Helblaster Volley Gun (120pts)

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[StealthKnightSteg]

no comments / remarks about this latest list?

[Fandir Nightshade]

I would drop musicians and the repeater pistol and add greatswords up to 28 and field them 7*4

Demigryphons should have a champion 3 wounds champions for 10 points are nice also you have to spread wounds on the demigryphons example 10 guys shoot at your gryphons 5 hits you have to allocate at least one shot to each model before you can spread them more at least that is the way I think it works.

you could also consider dropping all musicians and the champions on the halberdiers and greatswords drop two of  your IC knights the banner on them too and instead of increasing the Greatswords to 28 reduce them to 21 and add a second cannon.

[StealthKnightSteg]

I got the point of upping the GS to 28 from the Bat Rep thread, I think it will be better to go 28 then down to 21.. with 28 I still have full rank bonus with 2 dead, on 21 I'm already down a rank bonus (I rather want to win combats then loose them and then test on stubborn  )

I'll fiddle somehow to make it fit.

I won't be taking a second cannon as I think in the battles I had it served good enough to have just 1 cannon and the helblaster.

Also not sure what you mean with wound allocation but shooting and 5 wounds on DGK is 1 dead Demigryph and 1 with 2 wounds with the champion (if you have one) removed as last. Also 1 more attack at the Knight doesn't seem real worthwhile to me as the Unit is already 174 points, it gets really expensive if you put more points into it and they do attract alot and I mean ALOT of attention.. That might be toned down the coming months as opponents don't feel to threatend by them anymore but we will need to wait to see if that happens.

[Fandir Nightshade]

I think I am wrong on the wound allocation thingy as the champion is part of a unit besides that the 10 points are still good invested as should he manage to kill an enemy character in a challenge you will earn extra victory points, that is not unlikely considering his 5 high Strength attacks.

Get it...its only 10 points!

[StealthKnightSteg]

hmm thats true!

[StealthKnightSteg]

Ok some adjustments then:


+++ Empire 8th ed AB 8th ed BRB 2500 (2498pts) +++
+++ 2500pt Empire 8th Ed AB and 8th Ed BRB Roster (Standard) +++

Selections:

+ Lords + (574pts)

    * Arch Lector (349pts)
        Heavy Armour
        * Magic Items
            AB - The White Cloak of Ulric, BRB - Enchanted Shield, BRB - Sword of Anti-Heroes
        * War Altar of Sigmar
            AB - The Golden Griffon, AB - The Horn of Sigismund

    * Battle Wizard Lord (225pts)
        Lore of Shadow, Wizard Level 4
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dispel Scroll


+ Heroes + (298pts)

    * Captain of the Empire (143pts)
        Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dawnstone, BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Sword of Striking

    * Master Engineer (76pts)
        Light Armour, Repeater Pistol

    * Warrior Priest (79pts)
        Heavy Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Shrieking Blade


+ Core + (650pts)

    * Halberdiers (420pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 40x Halberdiers, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Crossbowmen
            10x Crossbowmen (Detachment)
        * Free Company Militia
            10x Free Company Militia (Detachment)

    * Knightly Orders Inner Circle (230pts)
        Champion, 8x Knightly Orders Inner Circle, Lance and Shield, Musician, Standard Bearer


+ Special + (726pts)

    * Demigryph Knights (184pts)
        Champion, 3x Inner Circle Knight, Lance

    * Great Cannon (120pts)

    * Greatswords (422pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 28x Greatswords, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Swordsmen
            12x Swordsmen (Detachment)


+ Rare + (250pts)

    * Celestial Hurricanum (130pts)

    * Helblaster Volley Gun (120pts)

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[StealthKnightSteg]

Ok so it's time to think about a standard list now for me. For the upcoming Eurobash, but more imporantly for my painting goals I want to set. So I got 2 lists 2500 and 3000 where the 3k list is the 2500 list with some aditions. It should be a Griffon formation list within the limits of my units (Still don't own a Steamtank...), which I intend to run more agressivly then I did last Eurobash.

I would like some input on these, thanks!

+++ Empire 2014 2,5k (2499pts) +++
+++ 2500pt Empire 8th Ed AB and 8th Ed BRB Roster (Standard)) +++

Selections:

Empire 8th Ed AB and 8th Ed BRB (Standard) Selections:

+ Lords + (579pts)

    * Arch Lector (354pts)
        Heavy Armour
        * Magic Items
            AB - The White Cloak of Ulric, BRB - Enchanted Shield, BRB - Sword of Anti-Heroes, BRB - The Other Trickster's Shard
        * War Altar of Sigmar
            AB - The Golden Griffon

    * Battle Wizard Lord (225pts)
        Lore of Heavens, Wizard Level 4
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dispel Scroll


+ Heroes + (333pts)

    * Captain of the Empire (148pts)
        Battle Standard Bearer, Full Plate Armour, Pistol, Shield
        * Magic Items
            BRB - Dawnstone, BRB - Dragonhelm, BRB - Sword of Striking

    * Master Engineer (66pts)
        Light Armour

    * Warrior Priest (119pts)
        Heavy Armour, Shield
        * Magic Items
            AB - Van Horstmann's Speculum, BRB - Shrieking Blade


+ Core + (965pts)

    * Archers (150pts)
        (Regimental Unit, Skirmishers)
        10x Archers, Musician
        * Archers
            5x Archers (Detachment, Skirmishers)
        * Archers
            5x Archers (Detachment, Skirmishers)

    * Halberdiers (525pts)
        (Regimental Unit)
        Champion, 50x Halberdiers, Musician, Standard Bearer
        * Free Company Militia
            15x Free Company Militia (Detachment)
        * Swordsmen
            15x Swordsmen (Detachment)

    * Knightly Orders Inner Circle (290pts)
        Champion, 10x Knightly Orders Inner Circle, Lance and Shield, Musician
        * Standard Bearer
            BRB - Banner of Eternal Flame


+ Special + (372pts)

    * Demigryph Knights (252pts)
        Champion, 4x Inner Circle Knight, Lance, Musician

    * Great Cannon (120pts)


+ Rare + (250pts)

    * Celestial Hurricanum (130pts)

    * Helblaster Volley Gun (120pts)


changed and added for the 3k list:

+++ Empire 2014 3k (2999pts) +++
+++ 3000pt Empire 8th Ed AB and 8th Ed BRB Roster (Standard)) +++

Selections:

Empire 8th Ed AB and 8th Ed BRB (Standard) Selections:

+ Lords +

none


+ Heroes +

    * Master Engineer (76pts)
        Light Armour, Repeater Pistol

+ Core +

    * Knightly Orders (250pts)
        (Swiftstride)
        Champion, Great Weapon, 10x Knightly Orders, Musician, Standard Bearer

+ Special +

    * Great Cannon (120pts)

    * Pistoliers (120pts)
        Musician, 5x Pistoliers
        * Champion
            Brace of Pistols including a Repeater Pistol

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[Krudenwald]

It looks great, but your BSB and WP both seem to have the Dragonhelm.

K.

[StealthKnightSteg]

It looks great, but your BSB and WP both seem to have the Dragonhelm.

K.

Woops, I'll fix that this evening..

Swapped the loadout on the WP for AB - Van Horstmann's Speculum, BRB - Shrieking Blade