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Offline S.O.F

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SOC: The Stupidity of the Chaos Strategic Deployments
« on: June 03, 2004, 03:45:51 PM »
Many have complained over the past few months as more and more of the SOC fluff has become available that it is poo, contradictory to older fluff and just plain stupid. However with the rescent launch of the SOC website with its beauty flash map an even greater and far dumber strategic blunder can be argued towards how GW has designed the campaign. Firstly we must address what will certainly happen:

Archaons horde will reach Middenheim.

An important statement but by looking at the map and consulting any of the army book maps this would be a tall order. By the GW map it appears that the bulk of Archaon's forces will make their way to the south pf the Middle Mountians on to Middenheim. Here they face crossing a major river before Hergig, a series of fortifications afterward, and a constantly threatened flank to the south from troops from Talbecland and Talbecheim. In addition the army book map for the Empire their are no significant roads that connect these cities, certainly there are roads but they are smaller and less important then the Old Forest road which connects Middenheim and Talbecheim. So an army that is slogging it's way down narrow conjested roads, faced with fortresses which can sally out to attack them everywhere, and several waterways to cross this is no easy task. A single prong of the attack appears to head straight through the Middle Mountains where after having to find a way threw are faced with the formidable Brass Keep near the end, in such narrow places it will be impossible for chaos to utilize ti's numbers effectively. To the North the more reasonable course of attack comes. A single fortress holds the north as well as North Road running to Salzenmund then on to Middenheim. The north does constantly suffer from Elven raids from the sea as well as the ideal deployment place for the forces of Marienburg, Bretonnia, and any stray Tileans coming in at Marienburg.

Now I know some of you are saying "Some Magical type thing will be able to get the forces of Chaos through to Middenheim" which I no doubt believe could be an explination save for the fact that why expend the energy doing it. If the chaos horde cut through Ostermark, Talabecland, Stirland, and the softer southern provinces Archaon could destroy much of the support Middenheim has making the assualt on the Second most formidable fortress in all of the old world easier.

I guess I really should just stop actaully trying to find logic in GW, but as this is a wargamer I would expect some practical applications of warfare to it.
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2004, 04:35:05 PM »
Whoa. You are overthinking this. The most terrain will factor into any of the SoC is in the location scenarios.

Check out the flash map. Notice the links between the cities. Have a drink.

That is pretty much all there is. No rivers, no mountains, no roads, just little lines between battle locations.

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« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2004, 04:53:41 PM »
GW = Logic = consulting earlier stuff

HA HA - like that is going to happen


you have to take the map as a one off - logic and GW don't go together sometimes very well.

My biggest issue is the whole point of it.  With Gav as "loremaster" and all the work that needs to be done;  the"final result is always pre know" -

Here is my ending (for the record):


Boris or Valtin will be killed in an epic battle by Crom, buying time (probably at the Brass Keep) this time will allow the brits and dwarves and Elves to unite and finish him off

The big A's Chaos army wil get to the walls of Middleheim and the Empire will be on the Brink of Destruction.  the Emperior Himself leading the defense

At the last minute,  when all hope is lost - Grimgor will charge in and save the empire from Chaos.  Yes Orcs will save the empire.

Chaos will be beaten back, Orcs becoming a 'buffer zone' between Chaos and the Empire.

Small onclaves will emerge - Ogre Kingdom, Kesilevs and others (as new army books come out)

My thoughts, lets see if I am right, hope I get surprised.

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« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2004, 05:20:36 PM »
I'm pretty sure he meant "Brets", not "Brits".  Just to stave off that comment, if I can.
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« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2004, 05:26:54 PM »
And Be'lakor?

He must have a general role here Jewells! ;)
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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2004, 07:07:22 PM »
Well archies approach isnt that incredibly stupid its just there's no easier road. To the north theres a huge forest, no way an army that intends to move siege equipments taking that road. To the east is mountains and only one of archies armies(tzeentch) is moving by that road. To the west well more trees. that leaves the south and guess where archies armies are coming from da da da south east. The only drag with that is a maze of fortresses... There's the logic buddy its nececity for archie to take that way.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2004, 07:31:01 PM »
Quote from: Heiglot
And Be'lakor?

He must have a general role here Jewells! ;)


Perhaps he would be the one killing Archie?

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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2004, 08:15:38 PM »
*invisions Archaon and Bel'akkor doing the "that's my Locknar" dance before the Flames of Ulric.*

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« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2004, 01:56:59 PM »
I wouldn't be surprised if Bel'akkor ends up being the one who saves the Empire from ruins.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2004, 02:26:23 PM »
@ clark you may very well be right, the old theme of "evil turns upon itself."

Just when the defenders are making their last stand, belak and Archie start fighting over which one will get to finish off the humans and are distracted for just a bit. At the last instant, Garagrim and his slayers show up and take the evil SOBs in the rear and the defenders counterattack scattering the chaos host across the countryside.
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