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Offline Obi

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #50 on: April 29, 2010, 10:48:08 PM »
If it's too much rubbish and not enough old it might evaporate though....

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Offline Demoulius

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #51 on: May 08, 2010, 12:11:51 AM »
just asking this out of the blue here but...you guys dont think it would be a good thing to post constructive things on those wiki pages? that way youd get less questions here and if you get frequently asked questions you can just direct them to the wiki...or something maybe im just thinking to much on the subject? :icon_question:

take a look at the captain and general of the empire pages for example. so filled with bias that its really not helpfull to anyone....or make much sense for that matter  :dry:

Offline GamesPoet

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2010, 12:45:52 AM »
I was going to answer that question sarcastically, yet then I realized the sense in what was being written, and then decided to keep quiet.
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Offline Obi

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2010, 07:31:40 AM »
just asking this out of the blue here but...you guys dont think it would be a good thing to post constructive things on those wiki pages? that way youd get less questions here and if you get frequently asked questions you can just direct them to the wiki...or something maybe im just thinking to much on the subject? :icon_question:

take a look at the captain and general of the empire pages for example. so filled with bias that its really not helpfull to anyone....or make much sense for that matter  :dry:
OI! Be careful which pages you call crap :engel:

Could you be a little more elaborate though, I don't really get what you mean- and it's probably a good idea.
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Offline Aldaris

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #54 on: May 13, 2010, 11:00:05 AM »
take a look at the captain and general of the empire pages for example. so filled with bias that its really not helpfull to anyone....or make much sense for that matter  :dry:
First, what do you consider biased in those entries? Just curious really. Second, it is a wiki, so you're more than welcome to add your two cents or modify the article entirely. I think no one who has written one of those pages considers himself to be the final authority.
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Offline GamesPoet

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #55 on: May 13, 2010, 11:47:29 AM »
Some contributions just get deleted by others, so its understandable why some might begin to wonder whether or not its worth the effort.  The W-E website and the forums seems to work better than the wiki for obtaining info and as long as they do, the wiki won't likely see much traffic, although perhaps that is the intent.
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Offline Aldaris

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #56 on: May 13, 2010, 12:06:12 PM »
I updated the General and Captain entries, I hope they give a more balanced and broader perspective now.

Offline Obi

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #57 on: May 13, 2010, 12:21:36 PM »
Some contributions just get deleted by others, so its understandable why some might begin to wonder whether or not its worth the effort.  The W-E website and the forums seems to work better than the wiki for obtaining info and as long as they do, the wiki won't likely see much traffic, although perhaps that is the intent.
I can see what you mean, although the deletion process is strictly monitored (by me). So people should try to not feel offended when something they wrote is changed, but see it as an improvement.

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GJ Aldy- I've made some more adjustments.
« Last Edit: May 13, 2010, 12:40:28 PM by Obi »
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Offline GamesPoet

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #58 on: May 13, 2010, 02:43:13 PM »
Obi ... you haven't been the only one deleting folks' entries.
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Offline Obi

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #59 on: May 13, 2010, 03:08:57 PM »
Obi ... you haven't been the only one deleting folks' entries.
I think you missed my point. If I read you correctly you mean that person X writes something up for say, the battle wizard entry. Person Y then updates and by doing so removes parts of X's writing. Yes?

If that is so-  people should try to not feel offended when something they wrote is changed, but see it as an improvement.
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Offline Aldaris

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #60 on: May 13, 2010, 04:00:35 PM »
Exactly. I wrote the Captain article, then improved it. Then Obi improved it further, added to it and organized it better. I think now it is rather good. That's wikis for you.
Besides, pervious versions are saved, so if I had disagreed with Obis changes I just could talked to him about it on the discussion page and changed it back.

Offline GamesPoet

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #61 on: May 14, 2010, 02:01:11 AM »
I can see how the wiki can be a collaborative effort.  I can see how some might be offended by such, yet improvements are one thing, and deletions without replacing with anything significant are another.

Its more a matter of writing being a waste of time and energy, if whole portions are deleted, with nothing of any significance replacing it, and I've seen that occur.  Why spend time writing something when it just gets deleted on the wiki, but gets left alone on the forums or the website.

And discussions are fine, but when things aren't discussed, and different contents are changed because one person sees the wiki as one thing, and another person sees it as something else, how's the resolution to really occur?  Creative time and energy becomes better spent in other ways.
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Offline Aldaris

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #62 on: May 14, 2010, 10:32:31 AM »
I can see how the wiki can be a collaborative effort.  I can see how some might be offended by such, yet improvements are one thing, and deletions without replacing with anything significant are another.
Are you being hypothetical, or has this ever actually happened on our wiki? If so, why?

In my humble opinion this is working fine so far, and i see no point in opening a debate "the pros and cons of wikis in general". If someone contributes to this one his stuff won't just get deleted if it contains more than links to pornsites. It might be modified, but I see no harm in that.

Offline Obi

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #63 on: May 14, 2010, 10:54:50 AM »
What Aldaris said.

Really, GP, i can see your point but pretty much telling everyone reading this thread they shouldn't bother perhaps isn't the best tactic :wink:

The point of the wiki is also to make the info more accessible, as the search function is completely ignored by anyone with less than 50 posts.



That being said, I'm having a great time reading various articles on the wiki. Does anybody remember for which post Phil won the 'worst advice of all time award'?
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Offline GamesPoet

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #64 on: May 14, 2010, 11:38:13 AM »
I can see how the wiki can be a collaborative effort.  I can see how some might be offended by such, yet improvements are one thing, and deletions without replacing with anything significant are another.
Are you being hypothetical, or has this ever actually happened on our wiki? If so, why?

In my humble opinion this is working fine so far, and i see no point in opening a debate "the pros and cons of wikis in general". If someone contributes to this one his stuff won't just get deleted if it contains more than links to pornsites. It might be modified, but I see no harm in that.

In the same post you quoted from I said ...

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and I've seen this occur.

And as for the why, my gut tells me ... and I quote myself again ...

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because one person sees the wiki as one thing and another person sees it as something else.

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What Aldaris said.

Really, GP, i can see your point but pretty much telling everyone reading this thread they shouldn't bother perhaps isn't the best tactic :wink:
Perhaps.  Yet ... "truth is beauty and beauty is truth". (Keats)  Its beautiful what happens when the truth comes out.

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The point of the wiki is also to make the info more accessible, as the search function is completely ignored by anyone with less than 50 posts.
Oh how very much I agree with you, Obi.  Yet when sections of information are deleted on the wiki, that could discourage folks from using the wiki, although then again perhaps that might be the intent of doing such? :icon_wink:

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That being said, I'm having a great time reading various articles on the wiki.
Me, too.
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Offline Aldaris

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #65 on: May 14, 2010, 11:46:26 AM »
In the same post you quoted from I said ...

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and I've seen this occur.
I wasn't sure if you meant on ours, or if you jujst saw it happen on some wiki. And if it was on ours, which article? I'd like to look at the deleted content.

Offline Obi

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #66 on: May 14, 2010, 02:16:32 PM »
I think he's referring to the umpteen user pages.

:engel:
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Offline GamesPoet

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #67 on: May 14, 2010, 03:52:29 PM »
Actually, I haven't checked any user pages lately in reviewing the wiki, but with Obi being an "engel", guess that's a reason to begin. :icon_wink:

Although I can think of one where the editing might need to be heavy, yet I'll save that example for another place and time.
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Offline MrDWhitey

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #68 on: May 14, 2010, 04:08:02 PM »
I will admit to finding things people add and deleting them for my own amusement.

It's one of the small pleasures I gain from life.
I thought he should act responsibly and just kill himself.

Offline Aldaris

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #69 on: May 14, 2010, 04:14:29 PM »
Shut yer trap, ye scoundrel!

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Offline MrDWhitey

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #70 on: May 14, 2010, 04:16:25 PM »
Shut yer trap, ye scoundrel!

 :biggriin:

For this I may have to make an Aldaris page...

Then delete parts of it, obviously.
I thought he should act responsibly and just kill himself.

Offline Aldaris

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #71 on: May 14, 2010, 04:25:25 PM »
I'm looking forward to it!
 :-D

Offline MrDWhitey

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2010, 04:29:26 PM »
I'm not telling you when I do anything.  :closed-eyes:
I thought he should act responsibly and just kill himself.

Offline Obi

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #73 on: May 15, 2010, 07:29:10 AM »
Actually, I haven't checked any user pages lately in reviewing the wiki, but with Obi being an "engel", guess that's a reason to begin. :icon_wink:
Don't go there! It was a joke. Spambots created pages and I deleted them for no good reason. I guess they're really sad their hard work was wasted.

By the way: why is the smiley called 'engel'. I know what that means (it's Dutch, probably German too though), but why didn't they just go for 'angel' or 'halo'?
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Offline Shadow_Zero

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Re: Warhammer WIKI: Lend a hand?
« Reply #74 on: March 10, 2011, 10:42:07 AM »
90% of us made our own pages.  I made a few starter pages for some people though.  Feel free to get in there and get to work.

Gamespoet:  Oh my god I never even looked at that... I will tell Calvin.  Can we delete any of those?

Phil
They're all deleted (they no longer have a page). For some reason they're still listed though. You're a sysops by the way, too, phil ;)

In any case, GP, I'll get back to you once I have figured some stuff out about the wiki ;)
Still didn't find out how to delete those users? http://www.warhammer-empire.com/wiki/index.php/Special:ListUsers

Can just anyone register for the wiki? Would make sense if only Warhammer-Empire members could. At least that's one barrier to keep it (more) clean.