Topic: Introducing, in the left corner...

[shavixmir]

Sir Shaggwell.
Shaggwell by name, shag very well by nature!
As the court ladies giggle: "If you think his sword is impressive..."
He's here to whoop some Eurobash arse!!!


And riding next to him; half Bretonnian, half Empire and half lion's head:
Sir "Damn that horse looks like it's Mr. Ed" II.


And here's Lady Cahunas:

Most of her is camera shy...

Right. Stop looking at the breasts. Get back to army building.
Stop it.
Stop ogling.
Seriously, you'd think you'd never seen a pair of mammary protruberances before in your life.

[Mathi Alfblut]

I must admit that Mr Shaggwell looks pretty... Worth shagging I guess. And rather cool. For a Bretonnian...

Seriously, I am having them stupid bretonnian ideas again. Especially after spending a weekend with a kettlehat on my head and my trusty bardische "Lawgiver" on the shoulder.

[Cannonofdoom]

Our brettonian player is beginning to abandon the lance formation (*GASP*). He says his formations are more survivable in 8th if he does not use the lance. So he's got big block of 5 wide knights running around and it just does not look brettonian.

[Fandir Nightshade]

Your buddy should realize that his knights are stubborn if they have more ranks!

Questing knights might profit from 12 in a 6*2 fashion like our white wolf knights but other than that the lance formation is THE nasty nasty thing in 8th.

(you even get an extra attack from the maid in the second rank....and if that is not awesome I don´t know what (Wizards in cc like horses are deadly).

(magic resistance on knight units ward save against magic).

[Cannonofdoom]

I think the last thing he wants is a mage in the middle of his lance formations exploding all over his knights.

[Moxer]

As if brettonian maids where ever used for casting spells...

[shavixmir]

Questing knights might profit from 12 in a 6*2 fashion like our white wolf knights but other than that the lance formation is THE nasty nasty thing in 8th.

After the first round of combat, Questing knights will indeed be better off in 6*2. Although, price-wise, I presume 3*3 will be more accessable.
What I reckon I'll do is use Questing knights as detachments to large, lanced formations of knights of the realm.

KKK QQQ
KKK QQQ
KKK
KKK

So, you smack the KOTR and the Q's home. The K's for the rank bonus and the Q's to maintain killing power in later subsequent rounds.
Taking it one step further, if you can't get a flank attack in (probably unlikely due to large blocks of infantry), it will be worthwhile charging the Q's home one round later than the K's.

The lance formation will work a treat. My problem is what to do with the pegasus knights. All they're gonna be good for is warmachine hunting.

[Cannonofdoom]

As if brettonian maids where ever used for casting spells...

They are now.

Your buddy should realize that his knights are stubborn if they have more ranks!

How often are expensive knights going to have more ranks than cheap infantry? Plus, they lose all the lance attacks in the second round.

[Aldaris]

How often are expensive knights going to have more ranks than cheap infantry? Plus, they lose all the lance attacks in the second round.

Considering that a lance of 12 has a rank bonus of +3, a standard block (of 7th edition) will lose stubborn with 6 casualties inflicted. Which should be quite doable with 2 lances hitting. Besides, Brets have that nice banner of the Lady. I wonder if the "enemy units in btb gain no combat bonus for ranks" means that enemy infantry won't be stubborn if hit by that thing. A question for the upcoming errata I think.

[shavixmir]

How often are expensive knights going to have more ranks than cheap infantry? Plus, they lose all the lance attacks in the second round.

Considering that a lance of 12 has a rank bonus of +3, a standard block (of 7th edition) will lose stubborn with 6 casualties inflicted. Which should be quite doable with 2 lances hitting. Besides, Brets have that nice banner of the Lady. I wonder if the "enemy units in btb gain no combat bonus for ranks" means that enemy infantry won't be stubborn if hit by that thing. A question for the upcoming errata I think.

100 points for a banner? Ain't gonna happen...

[Cannonofdoom]

How often are expensive knights going to have more ranks than cheap infantry? Plus, they lose all the lance attacks in the second round.

Considering that a lance of 12 has a rank bonus of +3, a standard block (of 7th edition) will lose stubborn with 6 casualties inflicted. Which should be quite doable with 2 lances hitting. Besides, Brets have that nice banner of the Lady. I wonder if the "enemy units in btb gain no combat bonus for ranks" means that enemy infantry won't be stubborn if hit by that thing. A question for the upcoming errata I think.

You count ranks, not rank bonus. Even if you are disrupted and gain no rank bonus in combat you still count ranks for steadfast, so Banner of the Lady as written does not work that way, because it only negates the combat resolution bonus for ranks. So to counteract my unit of 30 spearmen in a 5x6 formation getting steadfast, a bret player would need to field a unit of at least 18 knights in lance formation. Then, if my unit does not break, they only get 6 knights attacking in subsequent rounds, while I still get 15 spears. That's hardly point efficient.

[Fandir Nightshade]

How often are expensive knights going to have more ranks than cheap infantry? Plus, they lose all the lance attacks in the second round.

Considering that a lance of 12 has a rank bonus of +3, a standard block (of 7th edition) will lose stubborn with 6 casualties inflicted. Which should be quite doable with 2 lances hitting. Besides, Brets have that nice banner of the Lady. I wonder if the "enemy units in btb gain no combat bonus for ranks" means that enemy infantry won't be stubborn if hit by that thing. A question for the upcoming errata I think.

You count ranks, not rank bonus. Even if you are disrupted and gain no rank bonus in combat you still count ranks for steadfast, so Banner of the Lady as written does not work that way, because it only negates the combat resolution bonus for ranks. So to counteract my unit of 30 spearmen in a 5x6 formation getting steadfast, a bret player would need to field a unit of at least 18 knights in lance formation. Then, if my unit does not break, they only get 6 knights attacking in subsequent rounds, while I still get 15 spears. That's hardly point efficient.

Well the banner of the lady does cancel ALL bonus from ranks for combat.

Also bret knights can break ranks in a 3*2 fashion with small slingshot units ---> great
12 strong lances have a good chance to get rid of units of sizes of 25 models so if he can deplete your spears with longbow archers to 25 they are save for the picking. I guess you will see bows and knights armies quite often. Pegasus knights also get the free 12 " movement in the first turn as the bret player always goes second he could bring them in position and charge in his turn. (i guess)