Topic: Empire Rumours?

[Prince Nuada]

 

[Fandir Nightshade]

But your argument was ...bad. Also you are still not very polite.

I wouldn´t mind Greatswords going to heavy armour if they get a point reduction 7-8ish points...with 7 I would be in love (if stubborn remains) with 8 I would still field them with much more joy.

[Darknight]

I posted unofficial fan-use counts-as lists, I did not churn out an official GW product. Redicullously obvious difference!

Yes, there is an obvious difference - the Greatsword entry has full plate and must have full plate (it is not an option which may be chosen; it is automatic). Therefore, the Greatsword models show full plate - that IS what the models have. If you don't like the models, that is your choice - but to describe someone's position that the models made by the official sculptors for the official game have the official equipment as "bullshittery" is asinine.

What do you mean "the guy has been having a rough time?" Is this Dr Phill?

I mean he has been having a bad time - perhaps you missed the thread? I honestly don't know if you did - but if you didn't your actions are (in addition to being impolite) demonstrative of a huge lack of compassion. This is not "Dr Phill" [sic] - it is a forum where people can speak and chat with each other and (generally) seem to do so fairly nicely.

I didn't attack him, I just gave him a strong retort.

The English language isn't your forte, so perhaps you were unaware - but describing a position as "bullshittery" goes beyond a "strong retort". The forum doesn't appear to have any rules concerning use of swearwords, but it is impolite to use them - especially when there is no need to do so. He disagreed with your view the Greatswords shouldn't look like landsknechts by making the argument the greatsword models are based on historical reality (as shown by Darius' post); that isn't worthy of such a response.

Obviously, this is just my opinion and trying to create politeness on the internet is like trying to hold back the sea. Still, I suppose it was worth a few minutes of my time. Sorry for my part in derailing the thread.

[Fandir Nightshade]

Can we go back on topic now?

We need Steamtank squadrons.

[DariusZero]

We need chariots with harlots and booze to follow the army. At least mine would, since we are marching to Praag.

[Darknight]

We need chariots with harlots and booze to follow the army. At least mine would, since we are marching to Praag.

Why don't you just stop marching? Then you wouldn't need the chariots and could sell them and buy more harlots and booze.

[DariusZero]

We need chariots with harlots and booze to follow the army. At least mine would, since we are marching to Praag.

Why don't you just stop marching? Then you wouldn't need the chariots and could sell them and buy more harlots and booze.

But my men get thirsty in between the taverns allready. We don't want riots now, do we? And to stop marching is out of the question.

[Prince Nuada]

 

[Darknight]

What the hell gave you that idea?

The fact you keep making errors in presentation and comprehension.

Glad you've decided to drop this. Let's leave it here.

[warhammerlord_soth]

I seem to have arrived a bit late at the party. Time zones and all.

However, I would like to stress the fact that the forum does have a "no swearing or foulmouthing outside of the back table" policy.

I quote rule nr 1 :

1. Please be polite and take the time to make your post well-mannered, well-written, and reasonably free of spelling and grammar errors.

The tone and language used in this debate cross that line. Please adjust your behaviour, or we'll have to do it for you.

That said, Happy New Year to all of you.

[Justnorth]

Yes, there is an obvious difference - the Greatsword entry has full plate and must have full plate (it is not an option which may be chosen; it is automatic). Therefore, the Greatsword models show full plate - that IS what the models have. If you don't like the models, that is your choice - but to describe someone's position that the models made by the official sculptors for the official game have the official equipment as "bullshittery" is asinine.

Oh asinine is it? I'll tell you what's asinine - jumping to ignorant conclusions. I said that his arguement was bullshit, not the model.

I mean he has been having a bad time - perhaps you missed the thread? I honestly don't know if you did - but if you didn't your actions are (in addition to being impolite) demonstrative of a huge lack of compassion. This is not "Dr Phill" [sic] - it is a forum where people can speak and chat with each other and (generally) seem to do so fairly nicely.

No I did not read the thread. It's not like he has "go easy on me I'm having a rough time" in his signature is it?
If he is having a hard time then I hope it all works out for him.

The English language isn't your forte, so perhaps you were unaware - but describing a position as "bullshittery" goes beyond a "strong retort".

What the hell gave you that idea? I am Australian. My family is English. I got B's and a couple of A's in English.
You want to get your facts straight mate.
If you're referring to my use of the term "bullshittery" it was a humorous pun in retort to his term "badassery".


Now I've had enough of this petty B.S and I don't wish to argue this point any further.
Back on topic.

Don't sweat it Nuada, for sure there are some dicks on here who get all pious and go running off to poor old Soth again  for 'protection' when their lack of wit fails them in any given discussion.
Your Aussie sense of humour is not lost on me and it is appreciated. Yeah it's a bit rough round the edges but thats part of the charm and it's up to others who frequent this place to 'harden up' a bit and understand that.

Don't stop posting or we'll never drag them up from the mire 

So tell me Nuada, how did your blokes get on in the rugby world cup?




Oh yeah, did I mention I'm a Kiwi,  woot woot 

[Justnorth]

Halfling Teutogen Guard!

Will they be half price 

No new Knights?  Fuck You GW  FUCK YOU. 

-Grutch

Naughty Naughty Grutch       Lol...

However, I would like to stress the fact that the forum does have a "no swearing or foulmouthing outside of the back table" policy.

I quote rule nr 1 :

1. Please be polite and take the time to make your post well-mannered, well-written, and reasonably free of spelling and grammar errors.

The tone and language used in this debate cross that line. Please adjust your behaviour, or we'll have to do it for you.

Soth 1 - Grutch nil. 


Teutogen Guard, such lovely sculpts, why did they ever get rid of them?

Goldswords, such awful miniatures, why would they ever keep them, Landsnekhts suck. If ever there wa a an overused  and over emphasised genre in Empire it would be the rotten botty Landsnekhts, uninspiring, dull, ridiculous, chuck in whatever you like, they suck.
They have been overdone and it's so very boring.
Get rid of the steamtank, it's kaka. Allow only the Von Zeppel option and make it £100 pounds each. 
Give us a BIGGER Cannon, Imperial Dwarves, Imperial Ogres and a LOT more Halflings please woot woot from the Moot Moot.
Stirland river patrol options and a singular Halfling Elector Count with a Rune Canine (he's probably a bit small for the whole Rune Fang  )
Bring back the ridiculous war wagon with the wonderful Man Catcher (my favourite - strangle him good eh wot?) and give us back Kossars and all manner of wonderment from Kislev.
Retire the rocketry permanently, no place for Napoleonics in warhamster.
New white wolves with BIGGER hammers, new Knights are overdue, looooong overdue, please don't muck them up GW...
In fact bring back a variety of Knightly orders to bring the colour back into the Empires cheeks.
Allow a Marienburg ally with a naval element to it.
Give more emphasis to other Elector Counts, as was once the case it gives more flavour to the Empire when you allow some of the light to shine beyond the walls of dull old dusty Altdorf.
Now there's a good start.
In fact bring out Two Empire books, one army book in two parts for all the wonderment we duly deserve, stagger the release and make us #1 in the sun (Blazing Sun at that) again.

[Prince Nuada]

 

[Justnorth]

So are you a banana bending Queenslander or a far out miner from WA?

[Prince Nuada]

Queensland! 

[Justnorth]

Excellent, a proper redneck 
Brizzy , the Gold Coast or the towns of the far north?

Is GW bloody expensive in Oz?

Don't you have Eureka miniatures out there?

[TheBelgianGuy]

Ugly, beautifull, nice, clumsy = all very subjective demonstrationof personal taste. Recent greatswords figs are preety accurate to the historical landsknecht outfit of soldiers who fight with greatswords or twohanders as they were aslo called. Here 's a random historical illustration for those who doubt it.

I know that and it's great, but Landsknecht did not wear full plate armour. There is no reason why our greatswords look like landsknecht soldiers, but our main soldiers don't, and then call it historical! There were more Landsknecht carrying a pike, musket or halberd than zweihanders!

And please tell me you like our current state troops more than the Landsknecht ones we previously had. Please tell me you adore their shoeless feet. Please inform me of your love for their beautiful faces. Please let me hear of your fondness over every 2mm long, 10mm thick knife between their legs, little flags that disappear into their legs without any traceable edge or line or whatever to give you an idea when painting what exactly it is you're painting, or all those hourglasses on their belts....

[TheBelgianGuy]

Nevermind this.

[DariusZero]

Ugly, beautifull, nice, clumsy = all very subjective demonstrationof personal taste. Recent greatswords figs are preety accurate to the historical landsknecht outfit of soldiers who fight with greatswords or twohanders as they were aslo called. Here 's a random historical illustration for those who doubt it.

I know that and it's great, but Landsknecht did not wear full plate armour. There is no reason why our greatswords look like landsknecht soldiers, but our main soldiers don't, and then call it historical! There were more Landsknecht carrying a pike, musket or halberd than zweihanders!

And please tell me you like our current state troops more than the Landsknecht ones we previously had. Please tell me you adore their shoeless feet. Please inform me of your love for their beautiful faces. Please let me hear of your fondness over every 2mm long, 10mm thick knife between their legs, little flags that disappear into their legs without any traceable edge or line or whatever to give you an idea when painting what exactly it is you're painting, or all those hourglasses on their belts....

There is this twist in WFB - it's fantasy fiction, so anything goes, but the designers had to look upon some historical references, how else would they be able to make it interesting and impressive as it is now?

 So they took something from every historical era and region. So knights in full plate ride alongside the boys in puffy sleeves armed with guns and pistols. It's historically uncorrect but funny and appealing in the same time. And Most people loveit.

Again taste is subjective , so I personally Love the current plastic frames of Greatswords and state troops and knights, because they are superbly sculpted and scaled and have so many funny details. I know it's a pain in the shoe to paint all those bits, but you can't have everything.

Here's an exaple of how I painted some of those bitchy details,



I you prefer more historically correct figs, then there are many companies that produce them and they are even cheaper than GW.

[Prince Nuada]

Excellent, a proper redneck 
Brizzy , the Gold Coast or the towns of the far north?

Is GW bloody expensive in Oz?

Don't you have Eureka miniatures out there?

Brisbane, although I've lived on the Gold Coast and in Toowoomba.
Yeah, but it's expensive everywhere isn't it?
I'm not sure about Eureka minatures, I've never heard of them.
Are you into Flames of War? Are they cheap in NZ?

[Justnorth]

Check out Eureka miniatures they are awesome.

NZ is hugely expensive for GW products.

I'm in London, its averagely expensive here but they seem to have no qualms about increasing the price every year.

Are there any genuine rumours for this thread or is it all speculation.?

[Silver Wolf]

Um... Sorry for changing the subject again, but I'd also like to say a few words about greatswords...

They're fine in my opinion. Just a bit too expensive.
They've got tons of options. Surplus of weapons and hands and what's most important, torsos separated from legs.
And the thing is... If you don't like them, you can easily convert them to what seems to be your definition of "full plate".
At least, that's what I did. I used all the leftover bits to make even more greatswords, which look a lot like those metal Perry brothers' models (6th edition). I'll put them in the front row, and voilà, problem solved.
Anyway, what I want to say is that you can achieve so much with minimal effort.

State troops, on the other hand, are not so versatile. Mostly because of their one piece bodies, which aren't that good for conversions.
Sixth edition box had lots of useful bits, stylish puffy sleaves and torsos separated from legs. But they also had flaws... Generally lower quality and less details.
New state troops are much better quality-wise, but they don't leave much space for conversions.
A mix between those two would be great.

- - - - - - - - - -

Second part... New models.

I would definitely buy Inner circle knights and Reiksguard on foot. Those boxes would be my dream come true. 
New griffon general also sounds exciting, but I bought mine from Island of Blood. Cheap and effective.
Warrior priest box? Sounds ok. But I already have one WP in my army.
Female sorceress/battle Wizard? Also great, especially if we're talking about a female Bright Wizard.

And I find Nuln Siege Cannon and Demi-griffon knights disgusting. They ruin my vision of the Empire.

And I guess that's it.

[Darknight]

Just two questions and an agreement;

State troops, on the other hand, are not so versatile. Mostly because of their one piece bodies, which aren't that good for conversions.

I haven't seen the sprues for the current State Troops - but I take it from your comment simply cutting them in half with a saw doesn't work?

Female sorceress/battle Wizard? Also great, especially if we're talking about a female Bright Wizard.

I've gotta ask - is the need for a female Bright for your army specifically, or is there some other reason?

And I find Nuln Siege Cannon and Demi-griffon knights disgusting. They ruin my vision of the Empire.

I think I would have to agree - they are doubtless good units and would fit within the game balance-wise, but it is difficult to justify the use of a massive seige engine in the average battle. Similarly, demigryph knights sound very cool and all - both in terms of models and fluff - but they do seem to move away from the "Empire of Men" theme the Empire always was.

[Siberius]

And I find Nuln Siege Cannon and Demi-griffon knights disgusting. They ruin my vision of the Empire.

Bingo. I also don't fancy reintroducing the other races to be honest. Where people want them, they sub them in. I see plenty of halflings, dwarfs and ogres in our armies now. We are a versatile enough army. We don't need everything!

All I'd love is a return of the War Wagon, some new knights and something to make me think about taking detachments and I'd be happy.

[Silver Wolf]

I haven't seen the sprues for the current State Troops - but I take it from your comment simply cutting them in half with a saw doesn't work?

Sprue : http://spruepics.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=empire&action=display&thread=70

Well you could cut them in half, but that wouldn't be very useful. They all have the same pose. It could work if you mix them up with other kits, but that would be expensive.

I've gotta ask - is the need for a female Bright for your army specifically, or is there some other reason?

I just love the artwork. 
http://mythicmktg.fileburst.com/war/us/home/images/art/Chosen_Bright_Wizard.jpg
http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/wfrp/wfrp-description-page/update/wfrp-art.png
There are a few others, but I can't find them right now...

All I'd love is a return of the War Wagon, some new knights and something to make me think about taking detachments and I'd be happy.

Yes, detachments! I must admit, I've used them only once, when I was just a starter. They just don't seem to be useful in this edition.