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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1550 on: April 02, 2012, 12:01:29 PM »
If i remember right, huntsmen are now special unit and cost 8pts piece
militia went up 1pts
all greatswords can use banners for 50pts
Pistolers and outriders stay the same
witchhunter costs same as captain used to cost in 7th
Captains got a 15points increase but has hold the line special rule and starts with light armour
same thing for general, 15pts pointincrease, hold the line and light armour
Wizardlords have gone down by 10pts :)
the wizardwagons will cost about 15pts more than the new great cannon price and the hurricanum only gives +1hit in closecombat

Thanks for answering Frenka.

Only good news in that list is the cheap Witch Hunter, and cheap huntsmen.

Captain going up hurts. Hopefully starting with Light armour means other armour upgrades are cheaper. Otherwise it serves no purpose, because we are just going to purchase magic armour or FPA anyway.

I'm not concerned about the new stuff, because I know that will be good. Its how they impact the old stuff (which is most of the army) that I worry about.
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1551 on: April 02, 2012, 12:10:46 PM »
I think that Huntsman character will come into my army leading my Deathjacks. Sounds most fitting. Mathi will get himself a ride in time. Just need the money to buy a war altar.
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1552 on: April 02, 2012, 12:17:49 PM »
I think that Huntsman character will come into my army leading my Deathjacks. Sounds most fitting. Mathi will get himself a ride in time. Just need the money to buy a war altar.

Yeah the character model has really grown on me. I think i would like one to lead the Tumble Downs Huntsmen.

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1553 on: April 02, 2012, 12:25:34 PM »
Nice to see others finding the idea of their own special huntsman captain appealing! :::cheers:::
I might make my own model of him, though, using all the bits and pieces Shadowlord gifted to me, plus some HE archer arms so I can make the bow looks suitably magical.  :icon_wink:
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1554 on: April 02, 2012, 12:29:10 PM »
Do we know in the cull on magic items if we lost the dragon bow?

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1555 on: April 02, 2012, 12:29:54 PM »
Yes, that seems certain, I am afraid.
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1556 on: April 02, 2012, 12:32:00 PM »
I want the griffon, but honestly, I'm wondering what all I can make from the character sprue that it comes with. I might have ot buy another general kit and wizard kit and see what I can come up with...
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1557 on: April 02, 2012, 12:51:24 PM »
Yes, that seems certain, I am afraid.

Ack, that's a shame. Having a few hunter themed captains and heroes would have been quite cool for a themed force.

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1558 on: April 02, 2012, 12:52:24 PM »
surely the special huntsman character has the dragon bow.
I don't care about the rules.

Pass the machete.

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1559 on: April 02, 2012, 12:55:11 PM »
Didn't someone mention he had the Amber Bow? Which for all I know could be exactly the same thing.

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1560 on: April 02, 2012, 01:06:39 PM »
Didn't someone mention he had the Amber Bow? Which for all I know could be exactly the same thing.

Think thats mentioned in White Dwarf, i'd guess it has some form of monster killing ability as that seems to be what is noted in his small background blurb.

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1561 on: April 02, 2012, 01:31:20 PM »
Ok report on the book now:
Magic items are as i've said about them. steel banner is 35 points

General up with 15pts start with light armour and the hold your ground special rule. No ancient heirlom rule.
Grand master i think was up by 20pts and cannot choose demigryph mount
Archlector down by 25, altar up by 50, only has power lvl 4 banishment as spell now
Wizard down by 10

Captain up by 10 start with same as general
warrior priest down by 25pts same prayers as i said before.
witch hunters will be the same as the old captain price, and the "heresy rule" is that he gains reroll to hit and killingblow against the target. He gives his unit immune to terror ( it only causes fear to the unit) and himselfe is also immune to fear (not the whole unit). He reroll to wound against wizards, undeads and demons.

(core)
All heroes and chars that used to be able to ride pegasi can still do so. pegasi down by 5pts and got some upgrades like +1 stomp or reroll 1's on the charge.

All statetroops are up by 1 point except spearmen. Swordsmen are down to i3.
militia is up by 1 and archers goes down 1pts.
knights ( i correct myselfe here) is down by ONE point. and only 1 unit may be innercircle and ONLY that unit may take a magic banner.

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greatswords are up by1 but can take magic banners
mortars are up by 33% and are s2(6)
great cannons are up by 20%
Flagellants are now a special unit (gets ws3!!  ) and takes d6 s3 when sacrificing 1 dead= reroll to hit, 2dead = reroll to wound, 4+dead = +1t
Huntsmen are now special choice at same price as old handgunners and archers.
Demigryphs can take either halberds or lances (normal halberds)

(rare)
Hellblaster is like before but with new missfire chart: 1 missfire, the rest of the barrels shoot half their number, 2 missfires, roll on blackpowderchart, 3 missfires, 30hits and the machine explodes. Can now use the engineers BS to fire
helstorm fires d3 s3 small templates. roll artillery dice + the number of template scatterdices ( allways counted as inderect fire)
Steamtank is now down by 50pts. the steamboiler works like you roll a artydice, if the number is higher than your current wounds or a missfire, roll on the missfirechart. to do this roll a d3 + the number of steampoints you generated.
gets d6 random move per steam point. steamgun now works like a breathweapon in CC aswell as shooting only that it works in CC every turn. The strenght of the steamgun depends on how much steampoints you put on it up to s6.

The light mobile gives a dispeldice, 6++ to all units within 6" and fires a boundspell power 4. s8 flaming magic missile that does d3wounds and pierce ranks like boltthrower. reroll wounds against undeads and demons
The heavens mobile gives +1 to hit in cc and has a boundspell that shoots a template that can do damage or turn the targeted unit towards a random direction.

Detachment rule is as i've mentioned. there was a list of special rules that passed from the parent unit to the detachment. i dont remember all of them
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1562 on: April 02, 2012, 01:44:35 PM »
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« Reply #1563 on: April 02, 2012, 02:08:45 PM »
Or he his talking tosh
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1564 on: April 02, 2012, 02:11:08 PM »
surely the special huntsman character has the dragon bow.

He has a bow that makes my Stonehorns/Thundertusks cry...
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1565 on: April 02, 2012, 02:13:20 PM »
And sphinxes.....whine.
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I am more keen to know what his special super monster hunter huntsmen will do as I really like the new huntsmen minis and searched for an excuse to field them for a while now.
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1566 on: April 02, 2012, 02:18:53 PM »
Thanks alot for the info.

I have a question regarding the IC knights: I guess they will be in the "special unit" categorie again? And what about the mentioned Reiksguard knights? Are they a seperate entry .. are they even in the book or am I missing something?

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1567 on: April 02, 2012, 02:20:00 PM »

All statetroops are up by 1 point except spearmen. Swordsmen are down to i3.

So... Swordsmen are now 7 points per model AND lost a point of Initiative?

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1568 on: April 02, 2012, 02:20:38 PM »
Yes the era of cheap cheese is finally over!  :closed-eyes:
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1569 on: April 02, 2012, 02:21:14 PM »
surely the special huntsman character has the dragon bow.

He has a bow that makes my Stonehorns/Thundertusks cry...
Don’t cannons do that already?
I don't care about the rules.

Pass the machete.

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1570 on: April 02, 2012, 02:22:21 PM »
Thanks alot for the info.

I have a question regarding the IC knights: I guess they will be in the "special unit" categorie again? And what about the mentioned Reiksguard knights? Are they a seperate entry .. are they even in the book or am I missing something?

There will be inncercircle knights like before, special unit. and there will be reiksguardknights that are innercircleknights with stubborn. and then there will be demigriffons witch are innercircle knights mounted on demigriffs :p

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1571 on: April 02, 2012, 02:22:49 PM »
surely the special huntsman character has the dragon bow.

He has a bow that makes my Stonehorns/Thundertusks cry...
Don’t cannons do that already?

Not Stonehorns as they only take half wounds from multiple wound weapons.
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1572 on: April 02, 2012, 02:27:33 PM »
Don’t cannons do that already?

No, cannons cry when they see my Ironblasters...

Also see Delthos reply - waste of ammo.
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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1573 on: April 02, 2012, 02:28:48 PM »
In a way I am happy that the points prices are going back up, sure its going to make fighting Skaven more annoying for a while but other than that.

Also with the new helstorm what happens if one template lands on another template.

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Re: New Empire Rumors fresh from Harry
« Reply #1574 on: April 02, 2012, 02:29:19 PM »
No, cannons cry when they see my Ironblasters...

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