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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #75 on: April 08, 2012, 08:44:10 PM »

Yup pretty funny. What I find even more funny is that I have NEVER seen a community talk focus so much over one unit: flaggents
The mortar is a close second,

Maybe it's the fact I don't play empire, but why in gods name is that universally, these two units are in the epicenter or whether the new book is good or not?

Mind blown

Mortars and flaggellants have nothing to do with whether the book is good or not, they are just two units that many people used in the last edition that were powerful, and have now both been over-nerfed into the ground. Naturally people who have a lot of these models are a little hacked off by this. Give us time and we'll get over it, we'll find workable replacements for both units and then when the 9th edition book comes around and something else is buried we'll get our flaggellants out again, that's how this thing works.

In fairness we only lost 3 units as viable choices; flaggellants, mortars and swordsmen, some of the other choices are weaker than others sure, but everything other than those 3 has a place. I'd say we got off pretty lightly for a Cruddace book actually.

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #76 on: April 08, 2012, 08:49:08 PM »
Yup pretty funny. What I find even more funny is that I have NEVER seen a community talk focus so much over one unit: flaggents
The mortar is a close second,

Maybe it's the fact I don't play empire, but why in gods name is that universally, these two units are in the epicenter or whether the new book is good or not?

Mind blown

So you don't play Empire and your telling Empire players (using just a bit of a smarmy tone) that they shouldn't be upset?  I stand by my post count comment  :laugh:.

Mind blown.

FYI, not that it matters, I have 60 Flagellants who are kind of lame due to the new rules but I'll figure out a way to make it work.  You can keep your advice regarding this to yourself, I'll listen to the Empire Generals for experienced advice  :wink:.

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Claus, check out warseer, dakka and other army specific forums. You can see a lot of talk there. Even in the 8th Ed empire book rumors threads here, it's the same.

As for Noght, yes, with my 10 posts im goin to tell empire players not to be upset. Again, you relate my time on this board with experience. I wonder how, and if you talk to people in real life :p

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2012, 08:54:42 PM »
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As for Noght, yes, with my 10 posts im goin to tell empire players not to be upset. Again, you relate my time on this board with experience. I wonder how, and if you talk to people in real life :p

I don't think it's the actual post-count that some react to HERO, I think it's more the fact that when someone's new on a forum they're usually quite humble. You on the other hand, if you don't mind me saying so, joined and at once you started hacking at people who didn't like the new armybook, and trust me: While some disslike whiners, others disslike overjoyous(?) persons even more, and in some of your posts where you defend the new book you are quite...overjoyous about changes that most of the established Empire-players don't like. Then add that in some posts you flame abit.

Not flaming ya mate, just saying why some are using your post-count in the way that they do. :)
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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #78 on: April 08, 2012, 09:02:55 PM »
As for Noght, yes, with my 10 posts im goin to tell empire players not to be upset. Again, you relate my time on this board with experience. I wonder how, and if you talk to people in real life :p

LOL  :icon_biggrin:

By your own admission you have NO Empire experience so what exactly are you "telling" us that we don't know or can't figure out on our own? NVM, please spare us your deep thoughts, no really PLEASE.

And it real life as on this forum I'm nothing but a semi-smart a$$.  I've read all your posts and thought (as Claus did apparently) "who is this guy and why is he telling us that we can't be upset when some of these new rules (it's my cash and time that is going to end up on the shelf) are harsh?  And why is he being kind of a D-Bag about it?"

p.s. What Army do you play?

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2012, 09:03:33 PM »

Yup pretty funny. What I find even more funny is that I have NEVER seen a community talk focus so much over one unit: flaggents
The mortar is a close second,

Maybe it's the fact I don't play empire, but why in gods name is that universally, these two units are in the epicenter or whether the new book is good or not?

Mind blown

Mortars and flaggellants have nothing to do with whether the book is good or not, they are just two units that many people used in the last edition that were powerful, and have now both been over-nerfed into the ground. Naturally people who have a lot of these models are a little hacked off by this. Give us time and we'll get over it, we'll find workable replacements for both units and then when the 9th edition book comes around and something else is buried we'll get our flaggellants out again, that's how this thing works.

In fairness we only lost 3 units as viable choices; flaggellants, mortars and swordsmen, some of the other choices are weaker than others sure, but everything other than those 3 has a place. I'd say we got off pretty lightly for a Cruddace book actually.

Absolutely, only 3 units out of how many? And what did to guys gain in the process? New
Stubborn knights with 1+ as, a new 1+ as monstrous mounted knights, two useful war chariots, a cheap spammable wizard/bsb killer, a new, affordable monster killer sc, a cheap, 4A runefang sc with funny and dangerous rules, and most importantly, the fact that when you win your games, it will be because of superior generalship and good play rather than DD spam or gunlines.

I'd say pretty good at the end of things, and I'm happy to see you lighten up! Your warseer posts were starting to worry me :-)

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2012, 09:10:08 PM »
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As for Noght, yes, with my 10 posts im goin to tell empire players not to be upset. Again, you relate my time on this board with experience. I wonder how, and if you talk to people in real life :p

I don't think it's the actual post-count that some react to HERO, I think it's more the fact that when someone's new on a forum they're usually quite humble. You on the other hand, if you don't mind me saying so, joined and at once you started hacking at people who didn't like the new armybook, and trust me: While some disslike whiners, others disslike overjoyous(?) persons even more, and in some of your posts where you defend the new book you are quite...overjoyous about changes that most of the established Empire-players don't like. Then add that in some posts you flame abit.

Not flaming ya mate, just saying why some are using your post-count in the way that they do. :)

I've seen this name before. Do you play dark Eldar and post on warseer?

Yes, I am aggressive in the way I post. As a competitive player who enjoys game balance amongst all things, the new Empire book is borderline wanting to sell my ogres and go with empire. I play high elves and dwarfs since 6th and since then I've parted from the dwarfs because they lacked the speed element I desired.

I might roll Empire, I'm sure eBay will have a lot of good deals in the new couple of weeks!
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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #81 on: April 08, 2012, 09:17:17 PM »
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I've seen this name before. Do you play dark Eldar and post on warseer?

No and Yes.
I do play Dark/Wood Elvse as well though and used to play High Elves but sold them since they became extremely boring (not bad) in 8th.

If you roll Empire then by all means, welcome to the forum. Just chill with the aggressiveness in your posts abit. ;)

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #82 on: April 08, 2012, 09:17:42 PM »
Personally, I find it more than suspicious that many people we have never heard from before, some of whom even openly confess that they do  not even belong to the Empire, suddenly rise up to tell us how great and wonderful the new Army Book is. There is a Flemish saying: "Als de vos de passie preekt, boer pas op uw ganzen" (When the fox is preaching, farmer, take care of your geese!." )
I put it to you, the faithful followers of Sigmar, that this indicates the infiltration of the Holy Sigmarite Empire by its enemies, and warrants a full and thorough, and preferably most painful investigation by the Inquistion.  ::heretic::
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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #83 on: April 08, 2012, 09:19:30 PM »
An Ogre player.......

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« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2012, 09:22:28 PM »
Yes, I am aggressive in the way I post. As a competitive player who enjoys game balance amongst all things, the new Empire book is borderline wanting to sell my ogres and go with empire. I okay high elves and dwarfs since 6th and since then I've parted from the dwarfs because they lacked the speed element I desired.


Well we agree, I love game balance.  WHFB is the most unbalanced game ever, fun but flawed.   I actually think that all the 8th Edition Army Books are fairly even (except OK, that thing is POWER CREEPY).  Unfortunately the existance of the OP books (Skaven, DE, WoC, DoC) makes it worse don't ya think?  How hard would it have been to do a Ravening Horde type list with the launch of 8th for all Armies to account for all the things that Empire players are kind of upset about (increase State Troops costs mainly)?

Keep your Ogres, they are fun and can be competitive and fluffy in equal amounts.  You can "whine" to us when your new Elf and Dwarf books come out, assuming the nerf bat is swung equally.  :icon_smile:

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p.s.  I think a game of Empire vs Tomb Kings will be amazingly balanced.  But we all know how bad TK can be  :icon_biggrin:
p.p.s.  Read your Blog regarding the new Empire Book.   I think you're related to Cudd.
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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2012, 09:23:44 PM »
Yup pretty funny. What I find even more funny is that I have NEVER seen a community talk focus so much over one unit: flaggents
The mortar is a close second,

Maybe it's the fact I don't play empire, but why in gods name is that universally, these two units are in the epicenter or whether the new book is good or not?

Mind blown

So you don't play Empire and your telling Empire players (using just a bit of a smarmy tone) that they shouldn't be upset?  I stand by my post count comment  :laugh:.

Mind blown.

FYI, not that it matters, I have 60 Flagellants who are kind of lame due to the new rules but I'll figure out a way to make it work.  You can keep your advice regarding this to yourself, I'll listen to the Empire Generals for experienced advice  :wink:.

Noght

Claus, check out warseer, dakka and other army specific forums. You can see a lot of talk there. Even in the 8th Ed empire book rumors threads here, it's the same.

As for Noght, yes, with my 10 posts im goin to tell empire players not to be upset. Again, you relate my time on this board with experience. I wonder how, and if you talk to people in real life :p

Since im apart of this forum, ill relate to what this forum expresses.. i have no doubt that there are people who whine uncontrolably at every single chance at other places on the internet. but id dare say that mature, somewhat stable and logical people still hold majority around the globe... thus i treat and act towards the world with that view in mind. And in this paticular forum, i can assure you that the reasonable and mature people hold majority, and thus should not be treated as anything but mature people, able to shape their own individual thoughts.

The fact that you draw in other forums to hold your claim, only underlines that you (from my point of view) is here on a mission of forcefeeding empire players your view on the new army book. I dare say that the one who does seem to be on a crusade.. is you.. every post so far holds some sort of bigotry towards empire players, the new empire book and what you percieve as the right oppinion.

Now ill have to say it again.. you have your oppinion, and you have every right to it.
Now if you could just turn that around and grant the rest of us that excact same curtesy... that means.. no name calling, no generalizing people of different oppinion than you as "diseased", that means not forcing some random oppinion youve found on some random forum, down upon every single person in here as if it was the general notion. No "hidden" insults, accepting that you will encounter lots and lots of people who are of different oppinion than you, and that they have the excact same right to their oppinion as you.

So.. we can conclude youve now spend 10+ posts telling people what to think of the new army book, in less than respectfull ways. Youve made your point very clear, now have faith in whatever people decide for themselves to think about the book.

And as for your logic behind the 11 years of gaming.. im 32 years old, played since i was 10.. thats 22 years.. i also have a candidate in psycology... and with your logic, that should be more than sufficient to tell you to behave, or fiddle back to whatever troll forums you crawled out of.

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2012, 09:27:43 PM »
Personally, I find it more than suspicious that many people we have never heard from before, some of whom even openly confess that they do  not even belong to the Empire, suddenly rise up to tell us how great and wonderful the new Army Book is. There is a Flemish saying: "Als de vos de passie preekt, boer pas op uw ganzen" (When the fox is preaching, farmer, take care of your geese!." )
I put it to you, the faithful followers of Sigmar, that this indicates the infiltration of the Holy Sigmarite Empire by its enemies, and warrants a full and thorough, and preferably most painful investigation by the Inquistion.  ::heretic::

Haha.
No.. Just a not very humble warhammer player who's curious for Empire.

However, I must say that the attitude on this forum needs more can-do and try hard rather than acting like a flaggalent :p a 12-point flaggalent ::heretic::

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« Reply #87 on: April 08, 2012, 09:33:13 PM »
Personally, I think that any Empire player who doesn't field a mortar and a unit of flaggies has a small penis and is too scared to attempt something new.

I prescribe: Lots of sex and a loud roar.

You'll get over it.
It's cool.

Play that mortar with pride!!!

And no, I've not played Empire since 6th edition... but I won* every fucking game with them when I did (and I didn't use cannons, mortars or handgunners).


* Actually, truth be told, I didn't lose a game. I did draw against undead armies because they couldn't be broke).
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« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2012, 09:35:35 PM »
Personally, I think that any Empire player who doesn't field a mortar and a unit of flaggies has a small penis and is too scared to attempt something new.

I prescribe: Lots of sex and a loud roar.

You'll get over it.
It's cool.

Play that mortar with pride!!!

And no, I've not played Empire since 6th edition... but I won* every fucking game with them when I did (and I didn't use cannons, mortars or handgunners).


* Actually, truth be told, I didn't lose a game. I did draw against undead armies because they couldn't be broke).

Does that mean ill finally get that massive 32 inch penis ive always wanted if i field 8 mortars??  :icon_idea:

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #89 on: April 08, 2012, 09:36:20 PM »
Personally, I find it more than suspicious that many people we have never heard from before, some of whom even openly confess that they do  not even belong to the Empire, suddenly rise up to tell us how great and wonderful the new Army Book is. There is a Flemish saying: "Als de vos de passie preekt, boer pas op uw ganzen" (When the fox is preaching, farmer, take care of your geese!." )
I put it to you, the faithful followers of Sigmar, that this indicates the infiltration of the Holy Sigmarite Empire by its enemies, and warrants a full and thorough, and preferably most painful investigation by the Inquistion.  ::heretic::

Haha.
No.. Just a not very humble warhammer player who's curious for Empire.

However, I must say that the attitude on this forum needs more can-do and try hard rather than acting like a flaggalent :p a 12-point flaggalent ::heretic::

Flaggies are unbreakable (or used to be) you cant be anymore can-do than that.

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #90 on: April 08, 2012, 09:36:55 PM »
Personally, I think that any Empire player who doesn't field a mortar and a unit of flaggies has a small penis and is too scared to attempt something new.


And no, I've not played Empire since 6th edition...

What conclusion are we forced to draw from this?  :engel:

Edit: Does this explain your "Schauergeschichten"?  :icon_wink:
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« Reply #91 on: April 08, 2012, 09:37:18 PM »
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« Reply #92 on: April 08, 2012, 09:40:56 PM »
Edit: Does this explain your "Schauergeschichten"?  :icon_wink:

No, it's just an obvious case of Dutch Courage.
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« Reply #93 on: April 08, 2012, 09:42:06 PM »
Personally, I think that any Empire player who doesn't field a mortar and a unit of flaggies has a small penis and is too scared to attempt something new.

I prescribe: Lots of sex and a loud roar.

You'll get over it.
It's cool.

Play that mortar with pride!!!

And no, I've not played Empire since 6th edition... but I won* every fucking game with them when I did (and I didn't use cannons, mortars or handgunners).


* Actually, truth be told, I didn't lose a game. I did draw against undead armies because they couldn't be broke).
I hate to say this in a post with the words "small penis" in it but your sample size is probably too small.  :oops:

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« Reply #94 on: April 08, 2012, 09:49:57 PM »


Does that mean ill finally get that massive 32 inch penis ive always wanted if i field 8 mortars??  :icon_idea:
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« Reply #95 on: April 08, 2012, 09:51:28 PM »
Personally, I think that any Empire player who doesn't field a mortar and a unit of flaggies has a small penis and is too scared to attempt something new.


And no, I've not played Empire since 6th edition...

What conclusion are we forced to draw from this?  :engel:

Edit: Does this explain your "Schauergeschichten"?  :icon_wink:
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« Reply #96 on: April 08, 2012, 09:53:00 PM »
I hate to say this in a post with the words "small penis" in it but your sample size is probably too small.  :oops:

Noght
I have no idea what this means.

But: are you gonna use mortars?

I think nothin' more needs a-sayin'.

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #97 on: April 08, 2012, 09:56:59 PM »
Personally, I think that any Empire player who doesn't field a mortar and a unit of flaggies has a small penis and is too scared to attempt something new.

I prescribe: Lots of sex and a loud roar.

You'll get over it.
It's cool.

Play that mortar with pride!!!

And no, I've not played Empire since 6th edition... but I won* every fucking game with them when I did (and I didn't use cannons, mortars or handgunners).


* Actually, truth be told, I didn't lose a game. I did draw against undead armies because they couldn't be broke).

Does that mean ill finally get that massive 32 inch penis ive always wanted if i field 8 mortars??  :icon_idea:

No, but you can step up your game a nicely balanced army now ;-)

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« Reply #98 on: April 08, 2012, 10:00:22 PM »
I hate to say this in a post with the words "small penis" in it but your sample size is probably too small.  :oops:

Noght
I have no idea what this means.

But: are you gonna use mortars?

I think nothin' more needs a-sayin'.

Aye, a single Mortar, Cannon and Volley Gun (I run all-comers lists) and an Engineer who'll get assigned the WM based on the opponent methinks.

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Re: My disappointments about new book
« Reply #99 on: April 08, 2012, 10:02:30 PM »
I hate to say this in a post with the words "small penis" in it but your sample size is probably too small.  :oops:

Noght
I have no idea what this means.

But: are you gonna use mortars?

I think nothin' more needs a-sayin'.

Aye, a single Mortar, Cannon and Volley Gun (I run all-comers lists) and an Engineer who'll get assigned the WM based on the opponent methinks.

Noght

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