Topic: So the Empire General...

[Varkan]

Well, I recently picked up the last of the metal Marius Leitdorf models from one of my FLGS, and just recently played my first game using the model, btu not as Marius (which I had initially thought I would do).

Instead (and for a whopping 7 points cheaper) I fielded him as a normal General, outfitted with Fencer's Blades, The White Cloak of Ulric, and on a barded warhorse in a unit of Reiksguard. Does this seem like an overall effective build, because it worked quite well for me with that unit during the game.

Also, if someone has to roll a 6+ to begin with, and they're taking an additional -1 to hit, how does that get resolved?

[rothgar13]

6s to hit are always a success, 1s to hit are always a failure.

And the build seems like a reasonably effective defensive build. Helps keep the General alive, which is the important part.

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

Yes, page 50 BRB: "a natural dice score of 6 always hits and a natural dice score of 1 always misses".

[PrinceofPleasure]

He's not similar to Marius at all... You take Marius for the posibility of a WS6, 5 attack Runefang.

[TheElectorCount43]

He's not similar to Marius at all... You take Marius for the posibility of a WS6, 5 attack Runefang.

You take Marius for either fluff reasons or to test him out, or both

[Countwarlord]

You take Marius for up to 5 runefang attacks and the free reform you might get.

[PrinceofPleasure]

He's not similar to Marius at all... You take Marius for the posibility of a WS6, 5 attack Runefang.

You take Marius for either fluff reasons or to test him out, or both

What are you testing the weight of the model on the table?

[rothgar13]

More like whether that crazy ability of his will screw you over or not, I think.

[TheElectorCount43]

More like whether that crazy ability of his will screw you over or not, I think.

yep 

[Freman Bloodglaive]

I have old school Marius.

And the other three.

[Varkan]

More like whether that crazy ability of his will screw you over or not, I think.

Exactly. I wasn't sure whether I wanted to risk that rule of the character on this game (still learning how to play overall lol).

Would it be a better buy to put the Talisman of Preservation on him? 5 pts less for an overall better ward save (aside from against flaming attacks, that is).

[Clymer]

I took him in a game as a... well as a general. Put him in the greatswords next to a Warrior Preist. He seemed to do just fine... not great, not awful. He's cheap enough and with the nerf to Arch Lectors, and with the WP prayers being just as good as an AL's, I reckon he's relatively a decent, if not spectacular choice right now.

[Lord Solar Plexus]

How do you equip him that he remains cheap?

[Rutgar of Wissenland]

I've used Fencer's Blades defensively with my Savage Orc Shaman all the time. It's quite effective. OnG used to have a -1 to hit item, too. It's quite effective. The weakness is sniping ability of magic or shooting. That....or a very lucky opponent!  Still, AS is very nice.

[Byronic]

I may well be incorrect here but can a mounted character even take The Fencers Blades; as they're paired weapons?

On foot in stubborn troops he sounds nice though, so cheap!

[zifnab0]

I may well be incorrect here but can a mounted character even take The Fencers Blades; as they're paired weapons?

Why wouldn't you be able to?  Mounted characters can have 2h weapons or a HW & shield.

[rothgar13]

A mounted character can take the Fencer's Blades, yes. There's never been a restriction on taking 2 weapons while mounted - the thing is that 2 mundane weapons simply don't do anything for mounted character. Magic Paired Weapons, on the other hand, still provide their +1 Attack.

[Borgio the Besieger]

Correct me if I'm wrong but even WS1 hits on a 5+ vs. WS10, white cloak gives you an additional -1 so  you hit on 6's.  Am I missing something?Where does the extra -1 come from?

[Folken]

Also, if someone has to roll a 6+ to begin with, and they're taking an additional -1 to hit, how does that get resolved?

A natural of a roll of a 6 always hits no matter the modifiers.

[RockabillGR]

Correct me if I'm wrong but even WS1 hits on a 5+ vs. WS10, white cloak gives you an additional -1 so  you hit on 6's.  Am I missing something?Where does the extra -1 come from?

white cloack of ulrick

[Albrecht Hexenjaeger]

Fencing blades? 

[Borgio the Besieger]

Correct me if I'm wrong but even WS1 hits on a 5+ vs. WS10, white cloak gives you an additional -1 so  you hit on 6's.  Am I missing something?Where does the extra -1 come from?

white cloack of ulrick

Yeah. I get that the cloak gives you the extra -1 see where I said the" white cloak gives you an additional -1 so you hit on 6's." The original poster asked if you are on 6's to hit what does the extra -1 do for you? There is no extra -1. Just the one from the white cloak and WS 10 gets hit on 5's not 6's.

[Lord Solar Plexus]

There are some other options although most of them are rarely seen in combination: Curse of Anraheir, Pha's Light, Snow Storm for spells, Glittering Scales for armour and so on. A model could be hit on 5's because of the WS difference (doesn't always have to be 10 obviously), wear the White Cloak and be boosted by Pha's = theoretically hitting on 7's were it not for the "6 always hits"-rule.

[Count Wolfenstein]

I originally fielded a general with some fancy equipment, but next time try this: Grand master with 1+ save, runefang, and other trickster's shard.

I beat a 300+ mounted chaos lord in close combat then moved onto his squad in my last game. He's become a staple. Plus I love the plastic general options GW gives you in that kit.

[Darthkenjamin]

Only problem I had with the Grand Master with a runefang fighting chaos lord was he took the shield that turned magic weapons into normal ones and then my lord couldnt touch him. Of course after he won and chased the remaining knights down the cannon took out the lord on the juggernaut and the last chaos knight.