Topic: How to defeat the trail of death?

[yoy1zoz2mom3]

How would you handle this:

Horde of 40 tomb guard with banner of the undying legion and hand wep. annd shield,full command

containing BSB and tomb king

[csjarrat]

purple sun? pit of shades? final transmutation?

[Grutch]

Focus all your shooting on it,  feed it cheap speedbumps that keep the unit out of combat with your expensive units that will lose to it.  Block it with pistoliers, cheap knights, detachments.  Feed it a stubborn detachment and keep it busy for 2-3 turns and while you have it locked down,  murder the rest of the army. 

-Grutch

[sammay23]

That's an 800 point unit. It should be tough.

If you're going to meet them in combat, there are some good hexes that would help. Curse of the midnight winds forces re-rolling 6s. That's excellent against a unit with killing blow. Anything that reduces their ability to hit (so, Light of Battle on your unit, Iceshard Blizzard, Miasma, on them) should help.

I think it all depends on the make up of your army. Some will have enough redirecting units to keep the TG out of major combat for the whole game. Others will be able to buff/debuff enough to take the unit on. Still others will have enough ranged to cripple the unit, even with the banner and raises.

A Steam Tank in the front would only be in base with four models, so 12 could attack in horde. Even with Killing Blow, it could hold that unit up for quite some time.

Lots of options, I think.

[TheBelgianGuy]

A Steam Tank in the front would only be in base with four models, so 12 could attack in horde. Even with Killing Blow, it could hold that unit up for quite some time.

Lots of options, I think.

I agree with everything you said, though I have to remark that killing blow wouldn't work on the Stank since it's a Large Target and only Heroic Killing Blow would kill it.  I'm not quite sure if that's what you're saying or not. If I misunderstood and you're aware of this, then sorry mate! Cheers, either way!

Though I think he'd also use Make Way to get his Tomb King in contact with your stank, not sure if he'd be able to hurt the stank, since I never played 'em and don't have the book.

[Cursain]

What does banner of the undying legion do?

Take 3x2 demi gryphs with the flaming banner and charge from the front.  Give the unit a champ.
Flank it on each side with 3 demi gryphs.  Give each unit a champ.

That's 27 WS4 S5 AP attacks with I4.  You attack first, he cannot regenerate.
Then you get 15 WS4 S6 attacks (first round) with your knights. 

KB will not work against the demi-gryps, only heroic blow.
Challenge every turn. You will kill his heros eventually.

He will not get to use his parry save on each of the flanking demi gryphs.

Game over, after he removes all his troops and attacks back with his few remaining, he'll die from crumble.

All that for 746 points

[Freman Bloodglaive]

To be honest I'm nervous about putting a standard bearer in a unit of Demigryphs. One lost combat and that's a 68 point + standard model being taken away.

[sammay23]

I agree with everything you said, though I have to remark that killing blow wouldn't work on the Stank since it's a Large Target and only Heroic Killing Blow would kill it.  I'm not quite sure if that's what you're saying or not. If I misunderstood and you're aware of this, then sorry mate! Cheers, either way!

Gah, no you read it right. I wasn't thinking. That just makes the Stank an even better option, Tomb King or no Tomb King.

[Cursain]

To be honest I'm nervous about putting a standard bearer in a unit of Demigryphs. One lost combat and that's a 68 point + standard model being taken away.

Sometimes you just need to gauge the risk vs. reward.  In my example, the reward would pay off with the opponent down 800 pts and you statistically still having all three units still usable.

[RockabillGR]

They are movement 4....
which means they are very slow because they cannot march (and you can block the movememnt spell he has pretty easily)
just shoot it to death or ignore it and kill everything else.

[Cpt. Wham]

Hellblasters.   And if that doesn't work...more hellblasters.    In a slow-moving army like the tomb kings, I wouldn't even bother fighting such a unit head on.  Just lead it around with small drops and shoot the hell out of it.

[GenOmar]

Hellblasters.   And if that doesn't work...more hellblasters.    In a slow-moving army like the tomb kings, I wouldn't even bother fighting such a unit head on.  Just lead it around with small drops and shoot the hell out of it.

this +1
as a TK player HBVG is scary... take at least 2 @ 2k.

[yoy1zoz2mom3]

Banner of undying legion resserects D3+1 guys in the magic phase

Tomb kings are strenght 5 and he gives it a great wep

Hope this helps 

[Kimiko]

Why the flaming? TG doesn´t have regen. TK can´t march, 2 helblasters firing on that unit 2 or 3 turns should be enough. If not, halberdier horde with prayers will clear it out.

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

The Tomb King and the BSB are flammable: that is where the flaming comes in, I would guess.

[RockabillGR]

The Tomb King and the BSB are flammable: that is where the flaming comes in, I would guess.

the characters propably have 2+ ward vs fire though. It seems to be mandatory since flaming can be quite frequent. If they dont have, well...

[Lord Solar Plexus]

To be honest I'm nervous about putting a standard bearer in a unit of Demigryphs. One lost combat and that's a 68 point + standard model being taken away.

So your opponent gets 25 points. What's the big deal?

[Daymz]

To be honest I'm nervous about putting a standard bearer in a unit of Demigryphs. One lost combat and that's a 68 point + standard model being taken away.

So your opponent gets 25 points. What's the big deal?

That's not the issue. The issue is that your standard bearer model and his precious demigryph die the moment you break. So your three demigryphs are reduced to two, and 58 pts. for the model plus 10 pts. for being a standard bearer are down the loo the moment you break.

It doesn't matter so much anywhere in the empire as it does with the demigryphs...

[Lord Solar Plexus]

58 pts. for the model plus 10 pts. for being a standard bearer are down the loo the moment you break.

Theoretically, yes, but that makes no difference in-game. As long as one model remains on the table, your opponent does not gain 58 + 10 points, he only gets 25 for His last stand, and if he doesn't gain them you cannot lose them.

You can lose frontage, attacks, ranks, the chance to rally, but not points.

[commandant]

Flame Cage them for the lols

[zakalwe]

I play TK and empire.  The banner of the undying legion is bound spell lvl 5, d6+2 models. ( you can dispel it)

if you cannot shoot it with HBVG's..or mortars ( though better against softer targets)

Ideally, hold the unit up with a Stank and get a  flank charge with greatswords/halberdiers and Wp. Or flagellants

In combat its down to the buffs/ debuffs you can get.

the tomb guard by themselves are easy enough to handle, its the characters and augments that beef them up. Deal with them first ( if you can)

A tomb king will rip through a steam tank ( assuming it has GW) in a few rounds of combat.  Try a witch hunter with VHS ( initiative may be your death though)   or death magic.

some DGK could do well, if the kill the tomb king. Otherwise he will munch them too.

The characters cannot be healed, except by magic items. So target them if possible.

Shrieking blade is great for 10 points. I normally ensure one of my main combat units has some fear immunity.

[Orcslayer]

The characters cannot be healed, except by magic items. So target them if possible.

Not quite. If he pops his characters out of the unit and then does the bubble movement augment, all units, including the single character, within 12 inches will be healed D3+1 wounds. Then with the move from the spell, he can pop the characters back into his unit.

[Delthos]

That's a very risky tactic for an army that relies on their characters to give them ability to fight and the magic that is critical for making the army move. I wouldn't risk putting my casters out of units like that and making them vulnerable to shooting, magic, and charging.

[zakalwe]

It specifically says in the army book and the tomb king FAQ, that the tomb king characters cannot be healed by their lore attribute.
VC's lore attribute only targets models with more than 1 wound, characters and other beasties.

The two items are , a healing potion (common enchanted) 1 use full heal. Beginning of the turn. and a magical sword.

Sword of Antarhak 50p, For every unsaved would caused by the sword, the bearer regains a wound, if on full wounds and he causes another unsaved wound, the bearer gains the regeneration special rule until the end of the next player turn.

[The Peacemaker]

I play TK and empire.  The banner of the undying legion is bound spell lvl 5, d6+2 models. ( you can dispel it)

Also remember that since its a bound item(magic banner) if it gets IF then it disintigrates. So you can pretty much always dispel it except once per battle(if he gets IF).
Hit the unit really hard on first turn with all your ranged, forcing him to use the banner spell all the time.

purple sun? pit of shades? final transmutation?

And these spells will do the job too.