Topic: Are you seriously telling me the following about priest spells ?

[Guderian]

So while mining this favourite forum of mine recently for tactical advice/wisdom I came across the following two points: 

(1) priest spells are not "remains in play " as defined by the RAW, so therefore they cannot be dispelled during your opponents magic phase, but only when initially cast.   

(2) that there is no longer the restriction of a priest casting 1 spell per turn or an an arch_lector casting 2 per turn ie. Priest of either type could cast all of his spells in a turn if he had enough power dice to do so.                               

 If both of the above are true then I love our warrior priests playability/utility even more than I already did.  Opinions please.                                                                                       

[librisrouge]

Yes, they are true.

Yes, you do love our warrior priests.

 

[Bigglesworth]

Yup, people who complain about the effectiveness of our Warrior Priests either haven't fully digested their new awesomeness or are simply out of their fecking minds!  (Humbly stated)

[Biggley]

Id have to agree he is a exceptional bloke to have in a block of troops, I had a recent game where he used his prayers as a sneaky tactic once the main spells had been cast, very very sneaky and good as the enemy thought that they had dispelled the nasty stuff little did they know ..

[Fandir Nightshade]

Don´t forget they are cheaper and if you have not realized it yet they can channel so you sometimes get additional power dice or dispel dice.

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

They are a "no brainer" in this edition, and will therefore be castrated nerfed in the next one.

[Dendo Star]

Lol many years down the line Fidelis.  White Lions, Great Eagles, Slann, Woc are all gonna come first.

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

Next edition, no more priests of Sigmar, only of Cybele. 

[TheBelgianGuy]

They will cost 90 points, have no prayers and only hatred vs undead and daemons...


No, I'm not a pessimist, damn you! 

[Delthos]

They are a "no brainer" in this edition, and will therefore be castrated nerfed in the next one.

I thought they were a no brainer in the last edition as well, especially after the 8th edition before the new Army Book. There was doom and gloom that they were going to get nerfed and be worthless. Turns out they are just as essential as before, just with a new focus that actually makes their prayers worthwhile. After all, their prayers were one of the biggest complaints people had about them in 7th edition. There's no reason to think they'll get nerfed in the next one. No more than anything else anyway.

[patsy02]

They are just as good now as they were in 7th ed, GW just removed the dispel dice and lowered the cost appropriately by 30 points(one of their few rational changes!)

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

I beg to differ: overall, WP got a lot better in the new Army Book. 

[Guderian]

Thanks everyone. I'm really embarrassed..............

 I've always played all augments/hex's (Wizards & Priests) as remains in play in so much as they could be dispelled in the opponents casting phase (relax, my group has always had augments/hex's end in the casting players next magic phase as required by the rules).

I really need to read my 8th Ed BRB book many more times and stop making assumptions based on 7th Edition or careless reading of the rules.

Thanks again.   

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

I am not quite sure, if you are assuming this is not the case, but there hex and augment spells that do remain in play.

[Roka]

some one please explain to me the thing about the prayers being undispellable after the cast.

please explain in good detail and where it say it cant because im gonna have to explain it to a room full of people who already hate the warrior priest.

excerpts from the BRB or the empire book would be nice too

[commandant]

When the prayer is cast it lasts until your next magic phase.   Nothing, not even the death of the priest, can change that.   It is written in the description of the spell

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

Prayers can be dispelled after the cast, just as any spell. However, with a spell that is RiP, the opponent has a chance to dispel that prayer/spell in his own magic phase (using power dice), which is not allowed for a spell that lasts until the next magic phase of the caster.
Some think this is a huge advantage. I am not so sure, as dispelling a RiP spell in the enemy's own magic phase uses up at least some of his power dice and, of course, there is always the chance that he fails to dispel.

[Syn Ace]

The priest attempts to cast the prayer, if the enemy fails to dispel it the prayer goes off and its effects carry over to the start of the Empire player's next magic phase (I believe - could say another phase but no book with me right now). It is not a Remains In Play spell though, that description was in 7th edition prayers, so the enemy gets one crack at dispelling it and then has to live with the results until the effects peter out at the start of the Empire players next magic phase.

As FvS points out, if you got a prayer off in 7th, the enemy had to allocate valuable dice in a later turn to get rid of it, so there was that benefit. I like the prayers as a unit buff now though.

[Unuhexium]

some one please explain to me the thing about the prayers being undispellable after the cast.

Bottom of p.36 in the BRB: "Some spells do not specifically remain in play, but have effects that last one or more turns. Once in play, such spells cannot be dispelled and remain in effect even if the caster is slain or leaves the battlefield, unless the spell description specifies otherwise."

[MrAbyssal]

some one please explain to me the thing about the prayers being undispellable after the cast.

Bottom of p.36 in the BRB: "Some spells do not specifically remain in play, but have effects that last one or more turns. Once in play, such spells cannot be dispelled and remain in effect even if the caster is slain or leaves the battlefield, unless the spell description specifies otherwise."

Just bear in mind that your opponent can still attempt to dispel them when you cast them as with any other spell. Just not at any time after that.

[Guderian]

As much as I bitch on the other thread about how much Volkmar sucks,

I am very impressed with the new rules for Warrior Priests and their spells.  In fact I feel positively warm and fuzzy inside  .

Quick query though:

I have only been able to keep warrior priests alive in my units if I field the Cavalry list, because the priests has an armour save of 2+ with Heavy armour, shield, mounted and barded.

How are you infantry guys keeping them alive with only Heavy armour and a shield (armour save 4+) ?  And don't say that they can't be hit on the end of your hoard line because of how you position your front rank when you charge the enemy.  Everyone plays hoards these days (except LSP, when he wants to be different  )  ) so no stringing him out past my opponents front line when I charge.

[Fandir Nightshade]

Put him on a horse and then place him in an infantry unit, template weapons usually shoot for other targets like your cannons, steam tanks, pegasus captains.

[Calisson]

FC+ TGM + BSB = 5 in front
Pushing the priest in the 2nd row. Funniest is that he can use the magic hammer: anyway he will get only a single attack.
After the 1st round, though, the BSB and the champ are killed, next target is the WP.

[Biggley]

I have been given the advice of finer generals than me to give full plate - enchanted shield - on foot with a unit of state troopers, however I use the Griffen Formation - which is a complete nightmare for my foe So I also have him in the unit with a Captain as BSB best of luck

[Fidelis von Sigmaringen]

WP cannot have full plate, only heavy armour.