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Offline Holy Hand Grenade

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TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« on: June 22, 2013, 01:10:37 PM »
Tactical Exposition Game 4:  Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
Battle Thread


This Tactical Exposition Game (TEG) is a modification to our popular Tactical Decision Game (TDG).  In this game, forum members can join one of two teams-  Sammay using one off his all-cavalry lists, and Ogres, using either of the lists posted for the planning in TEG2 & TEG3     

We will have several running threads for this TEG:

          --A Battle Thread (this thread) where all the tactical decisions are posted after they are made and where the results are posted for all to see
          --An Empire Tactics discussion thread for those on the Empire team
          --An Ogre Tactics discussion thread for those on the Ogre team
 
This will be our battle thread.  What I need from forum members at this point is to post in here on which team they want to join, then jump right over into your tactics thread and start posting your thoughts on the list you would like to go with.

Once the lists are finalized I will post the results in here and we can get started!

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Offline SevenSins

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2013, 05:15:27 PM »
I'll be loyal and stick to Empire!  :biggriin:

Offline gray_death01

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2013, 06:03:52 PM »
As a cavalry guy myself, For the Empire!!

Offline librisrouge

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2013, 09:51:10 PM »
Need Cav experience. Team Empire!
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Offline Forumite

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2013, 10:39:39 PM »
Im interested in building my own cavalry-focused army, so Im joining the Empire Team this time.

Offline Holy Hand Grenade

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #5 on: June 23, 2013, 12:11:00 AM »
The Empire team is getting stacked-  need some Ogre-ites!
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Offline mrth0msen

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2013, 12:17:33 AM »
I need canned meat - pwngre team here!

Offline grifter

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #7 on: June 23, 2013, 10:01:04 AM »
Ill join the Ogres if thats alright.

Offline sammay23

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #8 on: June 23, 2013, 10:04:12 PM »
Whohoo! Empire vs. Ogres. I'll play Ogres!

 :blush:
Bring out the mop and broom sammay.  I want to see you clean this house.

Offline George

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2013, 11:56:54 PM »
Another Ogre here...
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Offline Holy Hand Grenade

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2013, 01:27:15 AM »
Another Ogre here...

Interested in being the General?  The spot is still open, and based on your TEG/TDG input, I think you would be perfect for it.
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Offline George

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2013, 03:30:18 AM »
Another Ogre here...

Interested in being the General?  The spot is still open, and based on your TEG/TDG input, I think you would be perfect for it.

Possibly, lets see what input the other Ogre players have....and see if there is someone who wants it, otherwise I can step up if needed.
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Offline George

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2013, 11:34:41 PM »
Putting the call out to the Ogre general's....input needed on list composition.

Also to the Empire generals....is there any sort of list that you'd prefer to test the cav army against....I don't see the point in tuning a list to beat cav, unless that's the test you want....or you're tuning to beat the ogres yourselves :)
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Offline sammay23

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2013, 12:02:25 AM »
We are only mildly tuning - tweaking a few points of magic items. What you'll see will look an awful lot like other MSU lists I've posted here. It is definitely fair to say it's an all-comers list.

I'd suggest that you do the same. Build an all-comers list and tweak a bit for cav. That sounds fine to me as this is an excellent match up between, IMHO, two nicely balanced armies.
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Offline George

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2013, 12:14:51 AM »
No worries
My list are usually a little different to the norm, but typically are all comers.
We have one list HHG proposed that I think may be too harsh a test for an empire cav list, though its still a reasonable all comers list in the current high armour save meta :) ....will see where we end up, currently only 2 of us are discussing lists.
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Offline sammay23

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2013, 01:11:45 AM »
Is it the double ironblaster list with Gutstar, maneaters with poison pistols, and bulls? If so, I posted that list  :-D

Or is it the shooty list?

I'm happy to face either, just so you know.
Bring out the mop and broom sammay.  I want to see you clean this house.

Offline George

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2013, 01:56:05 AM »
No worries mate....they are the 2 posted by HHG.
I have proposed something a bit different too, which is clost to a list I'll be running in a upcoming tourney....if I get little feedback form the Ogre side I will probably run my list as I know how to use it, though it may not represent what a normal tourney Ogre list looks like.

@HHG
How long until you want to kick this one off?
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Offline Holy Hand Grenade

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2013, 02:25:59 AM »
@HHG
How long until you want to kick this one off?

As soon as the lists are decided on we are cleared hot.

Need some more team members on the Ogre side however. 

Worst case, I can join that side, but I am trying to stay off a team so I can help facilitate the whole thing.

Still a lot of TDG/TEG regulars that haven't chimed in yet...
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Offline rothgar13

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2013, 08:10:33 PM »
I was actually planning to sit back and watch this time around, but if there's a real need for Ogre players, I can chime in on that side. I'll have some list suggestions as well.

Offline Fandir Nightshade

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2013, 08:37:39 PM »
I thought I posted here already......Noght and Zifnab are temporarily banned from the forum so if you want to wait for them I think it will take a couple of more days.

Hmmm....I wanted to take a backseat too.

Offline Holy Hand Grenade

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2013, 09:47:43 PM »
I thought I posted here already......Noght and Zifnab are temporarily banned from the forum so if you want to wait for them I think it will take a couple of more days.

Hmmm....I wanted to take a backseat too.

Ouch.

Well-  the good news is that people can join a team whenever they want. 

We just need a little bit more love on the Ogre team before we get really serious about kicking this off.

I am going to post a list modification over there in a second to see what they think.

 :::cheers:::
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Offline TCWarroom

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2013, 05:08:59 PM »
Ill Ogre up! Its my second army so I might as well join.

Offline Holy Hand Grenade

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2013, 09:27:55 PM »
The teams as they are shaped up so far:

Team Empire (Give me a unique name for your list/team):

Sammay-  General
Sevensins
Forumite
Librisrouge
Greydeath
Voltan

Team Ogre  (Give me a unique name for your list/team):

George (General)
Krokz
mrO
Aineias
Rothgar
TCWarroom


The lists:

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EMPIRE

Lords
Battle Wizard Lord, Lvl 4 (Gen), Steed, Dispel Scroll, Talis of Pres (Lore of Heavens)

Heroes
Speculum Captasus (Lance, FPA, Peg)
      Enchanted Shield
      Van Horstman's Speculum
      Luckstone

Dawnstone Captasus (Lance, Shield, FPA, Peg)
      Helm of the Skavenslayer
      Dawnstone

Anti-Fire Captasus (FPA, Peg)
      Sword of Might
      Charmed Shield
     
Core
2x5 Knights, Musician

3x6 Knights, Musician

Special
3x3 Demigryphs, Banner, Musician

Rare
2xSteam Tank

Total:  2500 pts

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OGRES

Lords
Slaughtermaster (Gen), Fencer's Blades, Glittering Scales, Greedy Fist, L4 Wizard [Lore of the Great Maw]

Heroes
Bruiser, BSB, Heavy Armor, Ironfist, Talisman of Preservation, Warrior Bane
Firebelly, Dispel Scroll, Great Weapon, Ironcurse Icon [Lore of Fire]
Firebelly, Great Weapon, Hellheart [Lore of Fire]

Core
2 x 10 Gnoblars, Trappers
7 Ironguts, Full Command (Look-Out Gnoblar)
7 Ironguts, Full Command (Look-Out Gnoblar, Standard of Discipline)

Special
5 Mournfang Cavalry, Heavy Armor, Ironfists, Musician, Standard-Bearer (Dragonhide Banner)
2 x Sabretusk

Rare
2 x Ironblaster

Total: 2500 points

Here is what the terrain looks like:





The battle is in the mountains-  a Empire cavalry scouting mission runs into an Ogre stronghold and they meet on the field of battle.

There are two hills on the map-  both Scree Slopes.  The obstacles are walls.  Last, is an Elven Waystone in the west.  Pretty straightforward.


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I rolled the Scenario and it is a Pitched Battle.

Ogres win the roll to choose sides.

Time to get this party started.
 :::cheers:::
HHG
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Offline sammay23

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2013, 02:55:22 PM »
Nice list, Ogres. Very nice! This is gonna be a good match up.

Since we cannot shake hands and wish each other good luck, I offer you this:

 :::cheers:::

Lets have some fun and learn some stuff.
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Offline commandant

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Re: TEG4: Battle Thread Empire Cavalry versus Ogres 2500
« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2013, 03:06:28 PM »
The battle is in the mountains-  a Empire cavalry scouting mission runs into an Ogre stronghold and they meet on the field of battle.

The empire is using 1/4 of their tanks on a scouting mission?

Is is not more likely that the Ogres are descending on an Knightly Order chapter house or something.   Though I agree that the Empire list make the fluff really difficult.