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Offline hagen88

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #50 on: March 01, 2016, 05:15:50 PM »
Absolutely! The only ones I could find that are big enough are probably FW bloodthirster ones... It's impossible to get hold of them without buying the entire model though, so I stopped my researches there... Do you guys have any suggestion? Plastic new bloodthrister wings and archon new wings look a bit small as well but I could not check since I don't own any of the models.


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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #51 on: March 01, 2016, 05:33:48 PM »
Archaon, or rather Dorghar's wings would be massive,   The Dorghar Model is 12" /30cm high.   

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #52 on: March 01, 2016, 06:10:27 PM »
This project is amazing! I really hope you find some good wings!
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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #53 on: March 01, 2016, 06:39:05 PM »
Thank Larsrock! I hope the same, I keep hearing rumours about an incoming new chaos dragon kit with massive wings but:
a) I believe it's unlikely that a new similar beast will come out so soon after archaon's release
b) even if the rumours were true gw would probably cover both dragon and wings with a thick layer of skulls :-P
Until I can find a good solutio for the wings the model will be left unfinished though, but I am a patient man... kind of.

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #54 on: March 01, 2016, 08:10:26 PM »
Patience can be a virtue with so many things in life.  :icon_cool:
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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #55 on: March 01, 2016, 08:13:11 PM »
I see your point, but one can hope that they will create something that isn't drenched in skulls. I mean, skulls aren't really very practical or aerodynamic on a set of wings.. But then again, if you're a 2 tonne killing machine with wings, I guess a bunch of little skulls won't really make much of a difference. :biggriin:

Anyway, your sculpt is cool as f***, and I really hope it doesn't take long for GW to release some decent wings for your project, 'cause unlike you, I am NOT a, kind of, patient man.. :-P
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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #56 on: March 01, 2016, 10:41:00 PM »
Thank Larsrock! I hope the same, I keep hearing rumours about an incoming new chaos dragon kit with massive wings but:
a) I believe it's unlikely that a new similar beast will come out so soon after archaon's release
b) even if the rumours were true gw would probably cover both dragon and wings with a thick layer of skulls :-P
Until I can find a good solutio for the wings the model will be left unfinished though, but I am a patient man... kind of.

I think in all probability those rumours from during the End Times were actually for the new Archaon.

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #57 on: March 02, 2016, 01:01:43 AM »
I don't know if this will be well received on this site but if you're just looking for wings I'd suggest going on Reddit and checking out the subreddit Yoyhammer.

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #58 on: March 02, 2016, 01:04:58 AM »
Thanks for the heads up Marshal! :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #59 on: March 02, 2016, 06:49:47 PM »
Awesome dragon work!

Wings on dragons being too small is a great modelling tradition, it's only since plastics / resin became popular that they have got anywhere near sensible compared to the body.

Didn't Ultraforge used to sell separate wings for their huge dragon? Or did I imagine that.

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2016, 08:31:37 AM »
Fantastic work.
Your skill with green stuff is astonishing!  :eusa_clap:

For wings: maybe Nazgul's?
If not, try to search in other companys.
Anyway, I don't dislike these ones

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2016, 11:25:34 AM »
Thank you guys!

About the wings, I tried almost all gw wings ever produced: Nazgul ones, balrog ones (they are the same or very similar) HE dragon ones (they were ridiculously tiny in comparison to the dragon), zombie dragon ones were the bggest I could find but still did not work at all.

I did not try with smaug's wings for obvious financial issues (if I'd ever purchase a smaug not even I would dare to salvage the wings and throw the rest in the bin), same issue with FW bloodthirster (the only ones which might work IMHO, but I am not a fan of the look of them) and I did not try the  two new big plastic winged kits, Archaon (weird wings btw, not sure they would fit either) and the plastic bloodthirster ones, which are covered in skulls and chaos runes, so they would not really fit on a mighty Caledor dragon without some substantial alterations.

I never knew why but somehow I am always reluctant to look at other manufacturers, I always prefer to stick to gw (especially since, once finished, this dragon will likely be my entry to some painting competitions and maybe even a GD, if they still do that stuff nowadays)

On a different note, Prince Aelrik has been basecoated and awaits painting on my desk, it will take a while probably for me to finish it since I intend to do a nice job on him, but I hope to be able to share some progresses next week.

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #62 on: March 03, 2016, 07:43:39 PM »
What's the wingspan like on the big tyranid kits, like the harpy?

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2016, 06:07:07 PM »
You could 3D print a basic set of wings and then GS detail onto it. If you're not familiar with 3D modeling there's probably someone on this forum or a Facebook group that could help. There are various internet shops where you can print your own design.

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #64 on: March 07, 2016, 06:49:40 AM »
- or perhaps the wings from the new plastic Empire Griffon, they're huge. The feathers could be removed using an anglegrinder and equal amounts of green stuff.  :::cheers:::

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2016, 01:27:20 PM »
Hmmm, ambitious idea Soren! But I think I'd be happier starting from scratch!

I had a look at Reaper dragons, but they seem to have stopped their "Boneyard" parts service, I was hoping some of their big new bendy plastic models might have suitable wings.

Any idea what wingspan you are looking for? Maybe there's a relatively cheap toy out there that you could scavenge from as a starting point?

Offline Bartolo Miachevelia

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #66 on: March 07, 2016, 06:14:09 PM »
There might be coming a solution from AoS itself, shame these dragon wings have like sixteen ''fingers '' for each of them.


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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #67 on: March 07, 2016, 07:22:27 PM »
I was just going to mention this upcoming dragon. Hopefully the wings work out as I am excited to see the finished dragon conversion.

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #68 on: March 07, 2016, 09:30:10 PM »
WOW! thanks Bartolo (great name btw :-D) these pics I did not see yet! They seem interesting enough, though from that blurry image they look more like something that could belong to a deep sea creature, like some fish-dragon or something similar... Anyway, can't wait to see these new dragons (dracoths? whatever) and hopefully they will be able to solve my wing issue.

On another note, I am back from Italy and brought with me all my small (very small) aestyrion band, ready to be based and join their vengeful prince. I will post pics soon, along with some sketches of the heraldry for Prince Aelrik I did while flying to london...

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #69 on: March 08, 2016, 05:23:52 AM »
I'm catching up on a few posts here, so...

Glad to hear you're coping with the allergy and able to use GS/putty again. As far as the different brands & types, ever since I discovered pro-create, I have never had the desire to use GS ever again. Far easier to work with. http://www.kraftmark.biz/kraft.procreate.html

Re: Ælrik - Looks Great. I think the simplicity of the reins suits the model.

Re: Dragon - Awesome start! In terms of wings, even if Reaper doesn't do the Boneyard parts options anymore, it might be worth contacting them and asking. Or seeing if it's worth buying an entire Bones figure just for the wings and maybe re-purposing the rest of the figure. Or, on the topic of soft plastic, what about soft vinyl toys like Schleich, Safari, etc.?


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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #70 on: March 08, 2016, 09:00:01 AM »
Thanks Zerotwenythree, but as I mentioned I am planning to make this conversion using only gw bits, to be able to participate to some competition in stores and, who knows, maybe even a gd!

Anyway, as promised here is a pictures of my aestyrions so far...



I am satisfied about the Myrmidon vibe on them, there is a strong inspiration from Iliad's greatest hero surrounding Prince Aelrik, so it seems only fitting that his closest warrior resemble the legendary soldiers of Aegina!
There are still a couple of them in wip stage and I plan to complete a unit of ten before moving on to a chariot. But before that comes Prince Aelrik of course, whom I am going to start painting today. I'll try to post pics of his heraldry later today.


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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #71 on: March 08, 2016, 09:11:32 AM »
The shield heraldry is amazing!
Quick question: how do you fasten the models to the cork, are they pinned in place and if so, do you also pin your models to the bases afterwards.

FYI: I just found greek helmet plumes in a web-shop: http://zealotminiatures.com/shop-2#!/Greek-Helmet-Plooms/p/26884505/category=6272034
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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #72 on: March 08, 2016, 12:49:45 PM »
Thanks Sorenj!

The models are indeed pinned to the cork and yes, I then pin them to the bases. It makes the bond stronger and cleaner, you don't get that issue with pva glue suddenly ruining the shoes of your model or flock glued to the cloak.

Changing topic, I scanned the heraldry for Prince Ælrik I sketched yesterday and wanted to ask you your mind about it. the text is in italian, but I wrote the translation from left to right, top to bottom:



Lacoi:
Power, Glory, what once was but will never be again. The fear of a lonely death but the will to face it nonetheless. The pride of a long and dying bloodline.

The Black Helm:
an ancient relic belonging to the founder of the Elendro Mere dinasty, Ullendar Elendro.

The Black Hand of Khaine:
a black open hand on a white field, holding on the palm a bleeding heart. It's Prince Aelrik's own heart, teared off from his chest by his own cruel doings and the grief for his beloved ones deaths.
Three drops of blood fall from the heart into an ocean of blood, each one representing the murderous deeds of the Prince's past, present and future.

Cynath:
meaning Chill, Death, the silence after the sword blow. It represents the loneliness of those who chose to walk in the shadow of Khaine.

That's it, as you can see I wanted to keep it simple but fill it with symbolism of the melancholic spirit of its bearer. I tried to ask myself: what heraldry might Achilles wear after Ptroclus' death, what symbols of grief and sorrow but also vengeance and determination would he wear on his armour? That and of course a huge inspiration from Eldar heraldry and mythology, especially the bits about Khaine and Eldanesh. Man, I LOVE eldar mythology!

What do you guys think? I already asked a friend who told me he would have used a wave motif instead of a straight line between the red quarter and the white field and I kind of agree with him, it might better conceive the idea of a bloody ocean.
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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #73 on: March 08, 2016, 08:59:38 PM »
Like one of these?

   

Personally, I think the first (engrailed) looks more sea like than the second (undy or wavy) despite the names.

Re: dragon wings, I have no confidence that anyone still at GW would recognize a pre-2000 GW part, let alone one from another manufacturer (unless for Warmahordes, cos they are plainly all fans of that...). Besides, GD entries pictured in Warhammer Visions often use Renedra gravestones and lots of non-GW scenic products, I'm not sure there's a rule anyone enforces?

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Re: Elves of the Rhana Dandra
« Reply #74 on: March 08, 2016, 10:33:50 PM »
Thanks Sorenj!

The models are indeed pinned to the cork and yes, I then pin them to the bases. It makes the bond stronger and cleaner, you don't get that issue with pva glue suddenly ruining the shoes of your model or flock glued to the cloak.

Changing topic, I scanned the heraldry for Prince Ælrik I sketched yesterday and wanted to ask you your mind about it. the text is in italian, but I wrote the translation from left to right, top to bottom:



Lacoi:
Power, Glory, what once was but will never be again. The fear of a lonely death but the will to face it nonetheless. The pride of a long and dying bloodline.

The Black Helm:
an ancient relic belonging to the founder of the Elendro Mere dinasty, Ullendar Elendro.

The Black Hand of Khaine:
a black open hand on a white field, holding on the palm a bleeding heart. It's Prince Aelrik's own heart, teared off from his chest by his own cruel doings and the grief for his beloved ones deaths.
Three drops of blood fall from the heart into an ocean of blood, each one representing the murderous deeds of the Prince's past, present and future.

Cynath:
meaning Chill, Death, the silence after the sword blow. It represents the loneliness of those who chose to walk in the shadow of Khaine.

That's it, as you can see I wanted to keep it simple but fill it with symbolism of the melancholic spirit of its bearer. I tried to ask myself: what heraldry might Achilles wear after Ptroclus' death, what symbols of grief and sorrow but also vengeance and determination would he wear on his armour? That and of course a huge inspiration from Eldar heraldry and mythology, especially the bits about Khaine and Eldanesh. Man, I LOVE eldar mythology!

What do you guys think? I already asked a friend who told me he would have used a wave motif instead of a straight line between the red quarter and the white field and I kind of agree with him, it might better conceive the idea of a bloody ocean.

are you italian? :D