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Offline Aldaris

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #125 on: May 14, 2017, 07:17:45 PM »
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Many of these will be specific to certain missions or factions, but there are three that every army can use


Very cool idea IMO. Pick a balanced army, and you get bonus command points and the ability to eliminate a lot of randomness and to swing situations in your favour. Pick a min-maxers wet dream, and you will have a lot less command points at your disposal.

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #126 on: May 14, 2017, 07:18:51 PM »
I didn't read it that closely, but I assumed those were only examples.

Edit: there you go!
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #127 on: May 14, 2017, 08:38:34 PM »
DO you think those will be the only three uses?  Or are those generic and they will add race specific ones?

Nice reading skills Phil ;)

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #128 on: May 15, 2017, 12:50:30 PM »
Really good read on Xath's latest blog about his concern for 40k fluff. Food for thought.

http://italwaysrainsinnuln.blogspot.ca/2017/05/my-hopes-and-fears-concerning-8th.html?m=1
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #129 on: May 15, 2017, 01:07:44 PM »
Really good read on Xath's latest blog about his concern for 40k fluff. Food for thought.

http://italwaysrainsinnuln.blogspot.ca/2017/05/my-hopes-and-fears-concerning-8th.html?m=1

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #130 on: May 15, 2017, 05:50:55 PM »
OMG! New Marines incoming! Bigger and better! Two sounds too! Looks amazing enough to replace porn!  :Ohmy:
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #131 on: May 15, 2017, 06:10:30 PM »
I'm interested in the way they said they are essentially reinforcements that can be used by any imperial faction. So you can have a whole army of them, you can have a detachment with your space marines, a squad working with your guard, etc. Sounds like they've actually made a decent attempt to balance them as something separate.

Also they put out a FAQ on models that aren't out yet. Two FAQ's in less then two years!? What have they done to the real GW!?

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #132 on: May 15, 2017, 07:11:34 PM »
Armour is cool, new bolters are goofy. All in all, I like them. Kinda.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #133 on: May 15, 2017, 07:28:52 PM »
A comment I read made a good point - people have been clamoring for more true-scale marines for a long time, and rules to make them feel more in line with the background as well. So I think it's actually a really clever solution GW went with here - Primaris Marines with better rules, bigger models, higher points costs and background justification available to any chapter, whithout invalidating the existing ones.

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #134 on: May 15, 2017, 08:58:24 PM »
I get exhausted by the truscale nonsense.  The implication from Marine players (which I am one of course) is that the Marines are too small.  That isn't necessarily the case because if that were true, there are scale issues all over the place.  If you make marines "true" then you now need to increase the size of the Nobs, who are significantly larger than marines, eldar, who are as tall, Necron, who are supposed to be taller than marines.

Most of the scale issues come from the size of humans and to a degree, Tau.

Truscale whiners suck!

But back to the issue at hand, GW was quite smart to do what they have done.  There are so many marine models out in the wild that its hard to drive those sales.  But by introducing a special sort of super marine usable by everyone, they are able to start a process of truscaling (or heroic proportioning at least) in the marines with new and flexible model options that are usable by everyone.

DO you think those will be the only three uses?  Or are those generic and they will add race specific ones?

Nice reading skills Phil ;)

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #135 on: May 15, 2017, 09:55:18 PM »
With the heads and shoulders the same size as regular marines these ones look a whole lot better. It's going to be hard having them side by side with the old.

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #136 on: May 15, 2017, 10:04:49 PM »
I agree.

I'll get some in the starter box, but likely won't paint them.  Their rules aren't great.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #137 on: May 15, 2017, 10:43:15 PM »
Super space marines is not a bonus, for me.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #138 on: May 15, 2017, 10:54:23 PM »
I like the models, and if their profile and points costs match up - why not? I'm not a loyalist marine player, but I don't mind them getting new toys (as long as Chaos sees some love too!)
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #139 on: May 16, 2017, 12:17:15 AM »
I like them, for the most part. I've never been a huge space marine fan. Just not my thing, but I've ended up with a small force of them from starter sets or other people leaving the hobby. I might get a small squad of these new guys to back up my guard along with the others.

My main opponent is chaos marines and loves close combat. I could use something a bit tougher that doesn't sacrifice range to help hold them off.

Edit: I like the fluff reasoning behind it to. I'm a little meh on the "They'v been working on it for 10,000 years!' part, but I like the thought of the possible interactions. Some of the older chapters/marines are not going to like it, some will be thrilled to have the reinforcement, some are going to be worried about gene defects, etc.

I feel like it gives a lot of story options, and I like that a lot.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #140 on: May 16, 2017, 11:00:07 AM »
There stats are really quite bad comparatively.  They are identical to normal marine other than an extra wound and attack.  They get a better bolter with an extra 6" range and AP -1.

I like this because I was afraid they'd invalidate the Custodes, who I love.  Instead the Custodes would eat their lunch.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #141 on: May 16, 2017, 11:12:44 AM »
Where did you get the stats? I didn't see a datasheet, only the one for their bolters.

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #142 on: May 16, 2017, 11:19:23 AM »
There stats are really quite bad comparatively.  They are identical to normal marine other than an extra wound and attack.  They get a better bolter with an extra 6" range and AP -1.

I like this because I was afraid they'd invalidate the Custodes, who I love.  Instead the Custodes would eat their lunch.

Yeah, it's kinda strange that these Uber Astartes are so... average, stat wise. Still, we shall see how 8th edition will look overall, and then decide if they're truly average.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #143 on: May 16, 2017, 11:29:23 AM »
Where did you get the stats? I didn't see a datasheet, only the one for their bolters.

Let me see which thing it was on.  I think it was on the Community post from GW.

In other news, grenades as a weapon you can always use is cool.  S3 D6 attacks at S3 isn't horrible.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #144 on: May 16, 2017, 12:21:05 PM »
I dunno man, an extra wound is nothing to scoff at! Depends on what the points cost Ends up being.

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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #145 on: May 16, 2017, 12:27:35 PM »
An extra wound and an extra attack. And that's the basic squad.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #146 on: May 16, 2017, 12:37:03 PM »
It's weird that their WS, BS, S and T are essentialy the same. These guys are huge, hulking warriors!
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #147 on: May 17, 2017, 11:04:57 AM »
Its like Nobs.  Nobs are nearly twice the size of a normal ork yet they get one point of strength and a boost to attacks and wounds, similar to these guys.

In other news, Ork players are absolutely crying over the Tau update.  "How can we ever stop the Tau, they got even better!"

The Tau are probably about where they were in 7th by my best guess while armies like Tyranids and Orks are getting HUGE boosts.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #148 on: May 17, 2017, 11:13:34 AM »
someone posted on facebook they'd sent a question to GW saying "are wraithknights going up in points or getting nerfed so my imperial knight can compete" and they replied "what if your Imperial Knight got REALLY REALLY GOOD".

Which isn't personally the way I'd balance the game. Some things do actually need nerfs, not just buffs to everything else.
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Re: 8th edition on route.
« Reply #149 on: May 17, 2017, 11:29:28 AM »
I think they are referring to the knights getting a wound pool rather than some other major change.  But Its as likely political speak to make everyone feel happy.
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