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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2018, 08:32:07 AM »
I don't think Warmaster wil come back, they dob't have the appropiate minds for it, I doubt that nowadays in GW there's some who knows what's a redoubt, for example.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see. The current GW is much more open to trying out stuff and taking risks, than the one that killed off specialist games and plotted the murder of the Old World. If five years ago someone would've said to me that GW is going to revive Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Adeptus Titanicus, genestealer cults, launch an Admech army and reintroduce freaking SQUATS into 40k, I'd thought there's sth wrong with their head.

Ps. no idea what the "redoubt" part of your comment is referring to. But it seems they do know what a redoubt is:  https://www.games-workshop.com/en-PL/Wall-of-Martyrs-Firestorm-Redoubt, although I would hate to see that in warmaster  :icon_wink:.
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« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2018, 01:08:24 AM »
Squats!!!! whaaaa???  :icon_eek:
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« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2018, 09:15:01 AM »
Squats!!!! whaaaa???  :icon_eek:

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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #28 on: May 11, 2018, 01:00:12 PM »
Squats!!!! whaaaa???  :icon_eek:

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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #29 on: May 11, 2018, 01:08:48 PM »
Squats!!!! whaaaa???  :icon_eek:

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I love this sooooo  much!!! do they actually call it a squat?
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« Reply #30 on: May 11, 2018, 01:12:32 PM »
Yes, 100% a squat.


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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #31 on: May 11, 2018, 01:14:53 PM »
a Squat Bounty Hunter. Reasonably diminutive and stocky in stature – he’s a Squat, after all  :Ohmy: :Ohmy: :Ohmy:
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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #32 on: May 11, 2018, 01:21:37 PM »
The Squats are back, baby. :mrgreen:
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« Reply #33 on: May 11, 2018, 03:35:34 PM »
now make them with a bad-A motorbike  :::cheers:::
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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #34 on: May 11, 2018, 06:35:52 PM »
It would have to be a rather small motorbike to accommodate his stature.
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« Reply #35 on: May 11, 2018, 06:45:30 PM »
It would have to be a rather small motorbike to accommodate his stature.

no way back in the day they were huge choppers lol
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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #36 on: May 11, 2018, 06:52:43 PM »
He could have a sweet, powered tricycle!

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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #38 on: May 11, 2018, 11:02:51 PM »
They've just announced a Rogue Trader game in the late 2018! Even more weird stuff coming it seems.

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« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2018, 12:30:01 PM »
That's a bit Warhammer in Space, not the original Warhammer. :happy:

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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #40 on: May 14, 2018, 06:57:40 PM »
I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.
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« Reply #41 on: May 14, 2018, 09:51:05 PM »
I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.

I remember new coke and when that flopped they brought back Coke Classic and it was more popular than ever!! hope this is the same thing with GW lol  :biggriin:
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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #42 on: May 15, 2018, 03:49:09 AM »
I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.

It would also help if they made the old book reprints available via mail order instead of just WH World and maybe a coulple of UK events. It's like they don't want to sell to people in other parts of the world.

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« Reply #43 on: May 15, 2018, 01:54:25 PM »
I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.

It would also help if they made the old book reprints available via mail order instead of just WH World and maybe a coulple of UK events. It's like they don't want to sell to people in other parts of the world.

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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #44 on: May 15, 2018, 04:32:57 PM »
I don't think GW would ever bring back WFB as such. What they might do, and what would probably make business sense, would be to re-release old game books and miniature ranges as "GW Classics" or something like that, on a more permanent basis than their current made-to-order thingy.

It would also help if they made the old book reprints available via mail order instead of just WH World and maybe a coulple of UK events. It's like they don't want to sell to people in other parts of the world.

It's like GW actively wants to kill the memory of the Old World that was.

So I think they'll keep re-producing classic individuals and units as preorders, but somehow retcon them into their new setting.

There's at least a couple of splinter worlds in the new setting which could be developed into a reminiscent of the Empire-centric Old World. So more ordinary humans teaming with the 'good' races to fight invaders and corruption. Let's see if GW wants to do that.

But I don't think they will return to the Old World. Especially medievalesque and landskencht style humans are probably definitely out of the picture, because other firms have stepped in to produce the figures in metal and plastic. Also eBay etc. sell many old GW figures at quantities and prices which would seriously compete with any kind of new GW models in the old style.

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One interesting thing could be some sort of new multipose-multipart set for ordinary humans. Those were mightily popular for the Empire & Bretonnia, and intact OOP sets, not to talk about individual bits, sell at considerable price. (The 7th ed or current State Troop/Freeguild sets are practically oneposers; I'm referring to older Empire Soldiers and Militia, and Greatswords and Huntsmen.) But I'm sure this set would be something different from North Star (medieval) and Warlord (Landsknechts) sets, and refer to the AoS setting instead. They turned Dwarfs into balloon-riding steampunks and fire-lizard-punks, so expect extremity and new vision instead of a continuum from the old.

Ofcourse never say never. Nobody knows what they're up to, and they probably don't know yet what they will do fluff-wise in five years. My impression is that GW is primarily reacting to sales - whether or not they promote or hamper their own sales - and the reactions come, say, within two years. So if AoS, for example, would stall sometime after the coming new book/edition, the line could see considerable change already by 2020.

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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #45 on: May 15, 2018, 07:43:30 PM »
I'm actually thinking that if the bosses at GW know what they're doing (which they've shown surprising indications of in the last year or two), the success of T9A may have snuffed out the last hope of GW returning to WFB. As in, actually resuming it with a new edition and release, not just keeping rereleasing their old stuff.

What T9A is currently doing is eminently convenient for GW. GW doesn't need to bother with game development, but can still reap the rewards of the development work done by hordes of volunteers. GW can just keep cranking out miniatures of its old ranges. Ranges that are, and will be for the foreseeable future, the by far best suited ones for playing T9A. I actually think there's a significant probability that GW is doing just that, pretending not to notice T9A but observing it closely in order to benefit from it.
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« Reply #46 on: May 15, 2018, 08:26:11 PM »
That is a possibility.

Still there is a large bunch of people who whould happily buy a harcover book from an established company, which also has a range of miniatues to go with the theme. I'm actually surprised how reluctant people are to go after T9A, 9th ed, etc. I'm a little bit troubled about these legacy games, none of them seem to be growing after the initial push and goodwill.

KoW is in the same boat despite being supported by a company and a full miniatures line: I don't see it growing after the hype of the 2nd ed. Why? Because the world of Mantica is not a thing, the armies are not 1:1 Warhammer, and the gameplay and especially army building are different from any Warhammer edition?

I'm actually participating in a campaign that runs on the 8th ed by the book, because that's what the organizer thinks works best. (It doesn't. 8th was and is lacking in inner and outer balance compared to the earlier editions, ETC and Swedcomps, and more modern fan-editions. It's basic gameplay is sluggish and some of its rules are stupid. It cries for a good 8.5 adjustment or a full 9th ed.) The other day I scanned the second hand market for 8th ed army books, and it seems they have become quite valuable again. People want them, despite there being a free and fine-tuned version of the 8th, namely T9A (1.1).

After a two year hiatus, we are now witnessing 7th ed games and even tournaments organized. Not as big as T9A, but certainly challenging the idea that T9A would be the present and future of this kind of gaming.

If it's not about the game, it could be about the fluff. A good number of people mostly want the fluff, i.e. Old World. They could probably take AoS style mechanics, if they supported square bases and the story of a living Old World. I know I could, because the hobby for me was and is predominantly about the models on square bases in the Old World. A reason why I both like KoW but also find it lacking the right feeling.

I'm fairly sure GW could sell at profit a couple of books about a sort of historical AoS, where the Old World hasn't died yet, and where the armies assembled in ranks and files. Like if 30K was a great hit, maybe Before the Age of Sigmar could work too, as a one-off or periodical side project similar to the Specialist games. They could do a small range of new models and see if they sell or not.

Then again assembling big miniature armies for a single game (or game type) seems to be last year, unless playing historicals. Games that are meant to be enjoyed among friends tend to be skirmishes with a reasonable number of individualized miniatures. You see it everywhere. The number of people who really are dedicated to an army level game is likely dwindling, and I don't see many starting this kind of hobby, even if T9A, 9th ed and KoW make it actually free rules-wise.

I'm not hopeful about GW retunring to WFB. This is more about the scene, and what people do and don't do in the scene after GW killed the Old World.

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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #47 on: May 15, 2018, 08:42:17 PM »
I'm pretty sure the Old World itself will resurface in one form or another. It has not been entirely wiped out by GW, Blood Bowl is one example (no sigmarines in sight). Almost every White Dwarf I've read in the last 12 months has had some allusions to the old setting, there's novels being re-published, older minis remade etc. Sometime ago there were rumours about Mordheim getting remade (that one I find hard to believe, but who knows). Now I don't believe that WHFB will return in the way we've known it, but I firmly believe there will be some Old World related products in the future.
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Re: Will GW Ever Return To WFB?
« Reply #48 on: May 16, 2018, 02:00:10 AM »
Has GW ever really dropped anything and never brought it back in any form and or never mentioned it again?
This might be a bad example but Dredfleet was a sort of relaunch of Man of war. There'll always be a chance that fantasy will come back.
ALSO if people continue to buy non GW kits to substitute the fantasy kits they can no longer get then there's a strong chance GW will realise there is still a strong market for said kits and will bring them back.

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« Reply #49 on: May 16, 2018, 09:11:49 AM »
The reason why skirmish games have become more popular, is because of the price of any new GW mini now.
We all know it started with Goldswords, then black orcs and minotaurs, and there are plenty of other examples, but $100 AUD for 5 plastic models is ridiculous. To my mind, even if they came back to army wargame instead of skrimish, they cost too much now for me to bother.
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