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Offline KTG17

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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #375 on: February 07, 2020, 02:19:37 AM »
I fixed my Mordheim rejects!!

So remember this guy?


Well, I did some head swapping, and arm too, and created this:


I think he totally fits right in.


The head came from one of my Marienburg pirate thugs, who I did like his head for that gang, but then I found a new head bit and decided it might work better, and I think it does.


I think he fits right in his gang too. Now they all look very piratey.


Also, I tracked down some extra bits for the Engineer looking guy who comes with the Helblaster (he wasn't easy to find for awhile), and I was wondering if I should go ahead and make Markus as I intended just for shits and giggles, or use the body for another bloke. What do you think?

I wouldn't be able to play him like this until I went through some campaign which I never will and earned enough coin to buy him the blunderbuss.


What do you think?



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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #376 on: February 07, 2020, 02:45:15 AM »
Yes :icon_idea:
"Not all who wander are lost ... " Tolkien

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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #377 on: February 07, 2020, 09:48:17 AM »
Make as intended. Modelling before gaming  :happy:
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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #378 on: February 07, 2020, 02:04:24 PM »
Ok then!

Offline KTG17

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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #379 on: February 14, 2020, 07:16:29 PM »
Ok I really need some advice here. I thought I was done with this thread but I still have some distance to go I guess.

So... when I started out as you might remember I was going to cap my armies at 700 points. Then it went to 1000. I am pretty much still set on 1000, although some armies I might have more for. Mostly because some had models I liked. I decided on using 6th and Ravening Hordes for my lists, and using the minimum unit size for my regiments.

I started out on the Starter sets, expanded from there, but then went back and bought all of the Battalion sets. I thought I would just stick with my plan on using the RH unit minimums, but now I am not so sure. Most of these sets come with a unit or two of 20 guys, but I am not sure how balanced everything is.

But lets say I re-build my armies around the Battalion sets, as they come, so starting with the Empire:



Except that I have 5 Knights instead of 8 (More on that later), and I add in some other 10-man units, like Greatswords, or a Mortar, a General, Battle Standard Bearer, and Wizard. I intend for all my armies to have those three heroes.

So would that work, against something like these:







Assuming of course, I add some other units - minimum sized (that's all I have for extras).

The question is, would the block of 20 be overwhelming if I had a few for some armies where I don't for others? Like the Skaven have 3, and I have 20 Stormvermin to add.

The reason all this is a big deal, as when I thought I would do the minimum of 10 man units, I went out to make sure I had the parts to make a Champion, Standard, and Musician for each for a 10-man unit from a 20-man unit (as in the case of the State Troops shown above). And if I go the route of some units being 20, I will use up the figures I set aside for those three and make them regular troops, like the State Troops. If I ever wanted to break these guys up into two smaller units, I wouldn't have those command models. Not to mention the movement trays...

And, splitting them up into two 10-man, I can make some as Swordsmen, and others as Halberds, something that really interests me. I am afraid I will get bored of these big blocks and all being the same. However, the more I look at these big blocks, the more I think they do look cool, and they are the way the game intended.

I do want to make all of my armies balanced, and also make sense in the WFB world. I don't mind having some large units, but I don't want to buy anymore so if I am short for some armies, which would make them difficult to be competitive with, I am not sure I want to do it.

Also, on the 5 Knights... most of the Battalion sets do come with 8 horse riders of some sort, but some only have 5, like the Dark Elves. I would prefer all my cavalry to be the same in count, so its going to have to be 5. In some cases those extra models I can use for other projects. Well, in the case of the Orcs and Goblins, I have 5 Boar Riders, but 10 Spider Riders... I guess the Goblins always have large units?

For those that have been following this thread, I am working on painting my 'burner' armies, so those are using the minimum unit size, so I guess when I get to play I will use those first and maybe get them out of my system. I guess I just wanted to be sure that the Battalion sets were reasonably balanced and a good anchor to work off of.

Please let me know what you think.

BTW - I picked up the hard to find Empire Huntsmen.  :::cheers:::
« Last Edit: February 14, 2020, 07:20:39 PM by KTG17 »

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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #380 on: February 14, 2020, 07:56:21 PM »
you may be overthinking this a bit  :wink:

If you plan on playing 6th edition, 20 is plenty big for a unit (the front rank will be killed by the chargers, nobody gets to swing back and they'll run away no matter how many are standing in the back then). Actually at 1000pts army size, 20 seems at the high end in 6th edition.

I think GW decided on what goes into these boxes by looking at the army backgrounds (well, and probably what sprues they had at hand), background is not a bad reason for army selection for your project either. I wouldn't worry about 'competitive' or 'balance'. There will be bad match-ups of armies. so what, you'll figure out what they are and avoid them...or just roll with it by giving the stronger army to the weaker player.
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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #381 on: February 14, 2020, 08:27:59 PM »
Ha, yeah I do overthink things.

So you think staying with 10 man units is okay? I went out and got all the parts to do so. I guess I might was well stick to the plan.

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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #382 on: February 14, 2020, 11:52:59 PM »
6th edition was four wide for a rank, so I'd argue 12 is a more aesthetically pleasing unit size. (except for shooters who had to stand in one thin single line as second rank couldn't shoot, 10 seems fine then).

also, I applaud your appropriately grand efforts of getting an army for every faction  :eusa_clap:
(I am doing something similar for 8th edition, though I may not get every last faction, some are not my cup of tea. currently at six and a half, however, I am at a much more leisurely pace than you)
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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #383 on: February 15, 2020, 03:18:43 AM »
Thanks! To be honest things just kinda got crazier than I anticipated, but then I do like variety. I guess itís more interesting to me to have two different 1000 point armies as opposed to a single 2000 one. That way I can enjoy making and painting different models. I also worries some models would just get harder and harder to find so I went crazy last year but pretty much have everything I could want. Maybe some day Iíll get a Black Dragon or Steam Tank, but not a big deal that I donít.

I really regret not getting into the hobby sooner, but I was more into sci-fi back in the day. Fantasy is an unexplored area to me so itís been an eye opening experience.

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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #384 on: February 15, 2020, 06:47:10 AM »
You know my opinion on 10vs20 for state troops. Naitsabes is right though, a 4x4 block 16 is fine. 10 is ok for your modelling projects, but not going to add a lot - your battleline will break like a twig instead of holding a round or two. Maybe consider one bigger unit of 16-20.

Against those armies, a unit of 16-20 is much more ideal. Units of 10 wonít do much. It will actually make it easier for your opponent to win as they wont need to do much to capture standards for easy victory points.

Cavalry at unit size 5 is ideal for most armies. Spider riders should be split if possible. Other than Bretonians, who should aim for 6 (including character).
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Offline KTG17

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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #385 on: February 21, 2020, 02:45:29 PM »
You know my opinion on 10vs20 for state troops. Naitsabes is right though, a 4x4 block 16 is fine. 10 is ok for your modelling projects, but not going to add a lot - your battleline will break like a twig instead of holding a round or two. Maybe consider one bigger unit of 16-20.

Against those armies, a unit of 16-20 is much more ideal. Units of 10 wonít do much. It will actually make it easier for your opponent to win as they wont need to do much to capture standards for easy victory points.

Cavalry at unit size 5 is ideal for most armies. Spider riders should be split if possible. Other than Bretonians, who should aim for 6 (including character).

Well the minimum unit size for the spider riders is 10... I assumed maybe they were only as good as 5 regular Knights... ?

Also, its hard for me to gauge which units should be larger and which are ok as 10. Thats why I was referring to the Battalion sets. And some units I just have 10 and thats going to be it. But my issue with units of 16 is that I do have that many then I have 20 models, so either use all of them in a single or break them up into two 10 man units.

So I wish to inform you all that I picked up a Garden of Morr. Its been on my mind for sometime, but I missed the boat when it was sold as a single set, and GW then started selling it in a large set with twice the items. I didn't want all that. So I got the older WFB version, and are excited about it. Figured it would look good on a table with the Undead.

Speaking of terrain, I might have mentioned this, but some time ago I got the fortified Manor. I love it, but was wondering if anyone else has gotten this, and is it possible to NOT glue all the various structures together so I could use them individually. As in, the tower and the house are linked by a third piece, and wondered if it would all stay put if I didn't glue those together. Its a great piece but I want the option to break them up if wanted, so scatter the terrain around.

I also have 5 sets of the older Citadel Wood. I had a couple, but when I got word that GW was killing it, I snagged three more. I love forest pieces and didn't like the newer version they were releasing. Anyway, I plan to do each mostly the same except use various pieces to customize them, like using the little creatures that come with the Wood Elves for a couple, and then another with some skeletal remains for one that more haunted, that kind of thing. I am really stoked about them. As a matter of fact, I am going to start them as soon as I am done with my starter armies, which I have started painting. So hopefully I will be able to use everything for my first battle report.

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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #386 on: February 22, 2020, 08:43:38 AM »
You can keep the Fortified Manor in three main pieces. Just pay attention when you add the extra bits. I stuck one of the windows in the wrong place on the tower and didn't notice until I was pretty far into the painting how that extra window interfered with putting together the manor. It was a sad day in the hobby room.  :-P  You will also need to keep the stairs lose so they can fit both on the manor as well as the standalone tower as needed.

Think twice, glue once.

As far as your unit size procrastinations go, I don't understand how you can get these exact body counts and still put together a somewhat functioning army. Sometimes you need a magic item and so you drop a few guys from a unit, for example. Doesn't mean you couldn't have them sit on the shelf all nice and clean in proper units of 20 (or whatever your number is). I am sure there are people with good memory on this forum who could help you come up with 6th edition lists based on the models you have.
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Re: Hi from a newbie and my deep dive into WFB. . .
« Reply #387 on: Today at 05:50:21 PM »
My fortified manor is missing thre connector piece,  and thre stone walls out front.  It was cheap enough, but i would have liked to put it together