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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2019, 03:18:26 PM »
Yowza, that's quite the negative review.
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« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2019, 03:33:06 PM »
You should read up on the reviews on Reddit! Even worse.

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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2019, 04:31:33 PM »
Oh I'm not complaining, and I am planning to see it.

Don't have any desire to read internet whining about this.  I've kept my expectation low, and hopefully will enjoy it more as a result.
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« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2019, 12:08:02 AM »
I have given up on Star Wars. I am gonna go just to see how bad it is! At this point I am just hoping it gets amusingly bad.
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« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2019, 06:46:01 AM »
Unfortunately there were some unsmooth transitions, like they tried to fit in so much, yet still left things on the cutting room floor.  Keeping in mind it is fantastical sci-fi, I found some decent enjoyment, and a few powerful moments, yet there were also some weak moments, too.

I felt better with the second movie of this third trilogy, and when that happened, it reminded me of the initial trilogy going from Empire Strikes Back to Return of the Jedi.  And although I'm not disappointed, anyone who is looking for perfection isn't going to find it.
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2019, 05:31:01 PM »
Anyone else notice that the sith planet [cant remember its name] seems to have been inspired by a level from the old Mysteries of the sith game.

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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #31 on: December 29, 2019, 01:50:15 AM »
I just saw the movie. I need to digest it a bit, but my first impression is: Its okay. Not really bad and not really good. Its like they took Return of the Jedi and mixed it with The Last Jedi with some Indiana Jones sprinkled in.

Not good, not bad, just okay.

Wife on the other hand: hated the parts with Rey, liked the part with the Resistance.

Edit: Oh and I loved the short blink and you miss it Wedge Antilles cameo.
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #32 on: December 29, 2019, 07:41:23 AM »
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #34 on: December 29, 2019, 03:30:23 PM »
I just saw the movie. I need to digest it a bit, but my first impression is: Its okay. Not really bad and not really good. Its like they took Return of the Jedi and mixed it with The Last Jedi with some Indiana Jones sprinkled in.

Not good, not bad, just okay.

Wife on the other hand: hated the parts with Rey, liked the part with the Resistance.

Edit: Oh and I loved the short blink and you miss it Wedge Antilles cameo.
I've been digesting it, and it is beginning to sit less ok with me.  It's not horrible, but it is leaving me a bit empty.  I keep coming back to it not being a smoothly made ending film for the saga.  An example of this is how they film the whole Chewbacca "dies" scene.  I liked the middle film of the final three better, and this seems like a combination of anti-climatic and somehow disconnected.  And I agree with your wife, plus Rey has not turned into a hero character like Skywalker, Leia, and Solo.
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2019, 04:39:56 AM »
Interesting, most of the stuff with Palpatine and quite a few other elements are ripped straight from the old books. Practically the same plots. Heck Palpy comes back a bunch of times in the old expanded universe.

I saw it, and I generally think it's fine. Not amazing, not that bad. There's a bunch of dumb decisions, but frankly most movies these days are like that. I actually feel like I could like a bunch of the overall ideas, but the writing of how they carried out the ideas fell flat. Much like a lot of the later game of thrones stuff.

Also the scenes with the three main characters together were way better then previously. They had a lot more chemistry and charisma bouncing of each other, especially compared to some of the previous boring bits.

Honestly I feel Lucas gets to much credit for stuff. When you read about how the original trilogy came out, half the time the things we love are the result of other people involved holding Lucas back. Or going in a different direction. The prequels were Lucas running wild without an editor or anyone else holding him back.

The second transport scene was just stupid. There's no saving that.

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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #36 on: December 30, 2019, 03:03:36 PM »
Agree Gankom.

@fidelis - that video was both correct, but also way over the top and wrong in parts.

@GP - part of the reason it sits badly is because of situations The Last Jedi set up. The Ladt Jedi was a terrible middle movie in that it didnt change anything really between 7 and 9 other than kill off Luke for no reason and establish Rey snd Kylo’s chemistry.
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #37 on: December 30, 2019, 06:08:25 PM »
I liked it.  I think it was about as good as it was going to be because of the mess that was episode 8.  Honestly if JJ stayed on for that one I think it would've been a better overall trilogy.  I think a lot was mishandled.  Sort of a disappointment for the Skywalker saga to stutter so much.

I still think Star Wars has a lot of juice in it.  Once I get Disney+ I'll watch the Mandalorian and catch up on Rebels which I haven't seen yet.  I haven't seen the Resistance cartoon either, but I'm not as fussed about that one.
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #38 on: December 30, 2019, 06:49:11 PM »
Rey has not turned into a hero character like Skywalker, Leia, and Solo.

Of course she hasn't. What struggle did she overcome? I mean, right out of the gate she is a Mary Sue and kicking ass in everything she does. Literally does everything Luke learned to do over 3 movies in one, which no explanation on how she was able to know she could do anything. Then 48 hours later she is lifting rocks like they are nothing.

And the others are really forgettable too. Poe is such a cliche. I think he's added to the movie to make masculinity look stupid. "Best pilot in the galaxy" oh sure. As an actor this has to be his worst role.

Last night The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi was on TV back to back and I ran them to see if anything changed my mind and the things that annoyed me just got worse. Even still, if peeps didn't like the things in the Last Jedi, like Rey's parents and so on, better to dig your heels in than to thrown in some BS fan service to appease the simpletons. I know some peeps wanted Rey to be something right out of the gate, but it made better sense that she was a nothing. Except could do all this stuff.

Its almost like they were making Rey like "Look Rey can do all this stuff as a girl and do it better than Luke!" and its so cheesy. God I swear to never look at a screen with close ups of Daisy Ridley's face while she's pretending to be constipated again. I am over it.

But you take away a lack of real struggle, and also note that deaths are no longer permanent in the Star Wars universe, then what is there really to follow except for the special effects?

Did you guys see JJ's Star Trek? It actually suffers from poor writing too. it was a pretty good reboot, especially with the choice of actors, but it too suffers from dumb story choices and makes up for it with leaps in technological advances to fix a dumb story - as in, transporting to a ship going warp speed. The average numb nut isn't going to care about this, but this breaks the legitimacy in the story for me and once that is done...

And the sequel reboot bringing in Khan goes to show that JJ really has very little to offer than vomiting out other people's ideas. I had to laugh when Spock screamed 'KKhhhhaaaaannnnn'.

But JJ did much of the same thing with A Force Awakens. Just tries to overdo A New Hope. If I made a movie about a car that could drive 500 mph, and JJ was doing the reboot, he would have the same car but doing 1000 mph.

The interesting thing is, these movies would probably have been better received if they had left the original cast out, because they do a poor job with them. Its hard for me to believe these idiots are really fans of the originals to have produced this garbage. They should have gone with real fans of the originals, like the peeps doing The Mandalorian, who understand the look and feel of what people associate Star Wars to be.

The newer trilogy is just liberal PC garbage with lasers and lightsabers.


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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #39 on: December 30, 2019, 11:14:26 PM »
I liked it , fun to watch
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« Reply #40 on: December 30, 2019, 11:17:41 PM »
True, it is a decent persiflage...
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #41 on: December 31, 2019, 12:10:48 PM »
To be fair, Poe is great in this one though.

And I dont mind Rey. I get what people are saying, but I dont mind so much. Its in contrast with Luke’s hero’s journey it becomes problematic, however I think its more a sign of the times.
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And Pippen (or Merry?) did not belong in this movie. At all. He was a distraction more than anything. All those parts should have been done by Carrie Fisher’s daughter, who was actually already in the movie with established visuals of her in the Last Jedi.

And KTG - I agree, JJ’s Star Trek were actiony, but not all that Trekkie and to my mind lacked a sense of scale. Not in visuals - visual scale was always spectacular. Its more about missing the scale in making the story fit a context and showing more than just the main characters. Star Trek Beyond was the best IMO, however didn’t do as well at the box office.
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #42 on: January 01, 2020, 11:48:57 AM »
Someone [maybe Mr Plinkett] needs to make an internet video, comparing the Pirates of the Caribbean sequels to the Disney Star wars films.

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« Reply #43 on: January 01, 2020, 02:02:49 PM »
I have heard that.

Problem is with Pirates, is it needs the 3 characters. And the 3 character story arc was done at the end of the third movie.
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« Reply #44 on: January 01, 2020, 04:57:22 PM »
That's funny about Pirates - which I adore the first three films. Near perfect action adventures as far as I am concerned, and I was willing to watch 20 of them if they made them, but the films lost their magic with the fourth (the replacement for Will Turner was lame and I could careless about the mermaid), and by the fifth, I lost it with the Mary Sue who could do everything. I guess if you haven't figured it out by now, I hate characters that can do it all. At least with Sparrow, he manages to do a lot but a lot of it is by luck, and even if its unrealistic, you understand he isn't superman. Characters like the chic in the fifth who readjusts the dude telescope and all that I just roll my eyes about. Its like pandering to me and I hate it. But this is Disney so I guess these are the films Disney is making now.

I love characters that grow from some kind of failure too. They don't all have to, but its a lot more interesting and believable. The ones that come out of the gate, instantly become badasses and leaders literally make me vomit. Its poor writing, or just catering to people who don't want to think too much, and I think too much. I could have got behind Rey if they had done that, but every film is a victory for her. Its like Mocking Jay or Divergent whatever. Teen Highschool chic film.

Which btw, seems to be the formula for action films now. Masculinity = bad, so lets put a strong woman lead who can do everything, surround her with a bunch of betas, and throw in some action. The women on dates will like the female lead, the males will like the action. If no one thinks too hard, its a success.

And its part of this I think that ruined Walking Dead, among other things.

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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #45 on: January 01, 2020, 05:18:19 PM »
I mean, have you seen the John Wick series? Or the most recent Rambo? Don't forget the Fast and Furious movie which is pretty much just manly men doing manly things with some women around as window dressing and maybe getting a cat fight scene at some point. The vast majority of action movies from the past year or two are still predominately bad ass men gunning their way through various enemies. Sure there's an uptick in female led action films, but lets be honest here. Not only are they still a minority, but it's an uptick coming after more or less decades of men as not just the primary action star, but pretty much the only one.

Just as an example, here's a list I grabbed from google of the 20 best action movies of 2019. It's the first result in google.
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/best-action-movies-2019

Now I'll admit, I've seen only a handful of these movies. But by my count 3 of them have women or girls as the primary character. 3 out of 20. And one of those is Alita: Battle Angel which is a weird adaption of an old manga? Anime? I don't know, but that stuff is ALWAYS super powerful crazy girls and anime is all the hype now.

So I don't believe for a moment that action films have somehow turned into masculinity bad.

Edit: The tone comes off meaner then I mean it to. This isn't an angry rant, it's the equivalent of some dudes at the pub going back and forth. Happy New Years everyone!
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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #46 on: January 01, 2020, 10:38:18 PM »
Bad Ass Women?

2020 sees Black Widow and Wonderwoman II

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Re: Last of the Star Wars Nine Arrives: "The Rise of Skywalker" ... spoilers!
« Reply #47 on: January 02, 2020, 12:38:41 AM »
That's interesting. I've never met anyone who actually likes the Pirates sequels. So far Beethoven 2 and Pirates 3 have been the only two films I've walked out of.

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« Reply #48 on: January 02, 2020, 01:32:51 PM »
I mean, have you seen the John Wick series? Or the most recent Rambo? Don't forget the Fast and Furious movie which is pretty much just manly men doing manly things with some women around as window dressing and maybe getting a cat fight scene at some point. The vast majority of action movies from the past year or two are still predominately bad ass men gunning their way through various enemies. Sure there's an uptick in female led action films, but lets be honest here. Not only are they still a minority, but it's an uptick coming after more or less decades of men as not just the primary action star, but pretty much the only one.

Just as an example, here's a list I grabbed from google of the 20 best action movies of 2019. It's the first result in google.
https://www.thrillist.com/entertainment/nation/best-action-movies-2019

Now I'll admit, I've seen only a handful of these movies. But by my count 3 of them have women or girls as the primary character. 3 out of 20. And one of those is Alita: Battle Angel which is a weird adaption of an old manga? Anime? I don't know, but that stuff is ALWAYS super powerful crazy girls and anime is all the hype now.

So I don't believe for a moment that action films have somehow turned into masculinity bad.

Edit: The tone comes off meaner then I mean it to. This isn't an angry rant, it's the equivalent of some dudes at the pub going back and forth. Happy New Years everyone!

Ugghh I guess you are probably right. I guess I am more sensitive to this stuff than prob deserves. I guess since I was so attached to Marvel and Star Wars as a kid and I see Disney turning them into MockingJ Jay and that other crap and its making me gag. I should laugh at it rather than be so pissed. Oh well.

I guess I still have the old Rambos, Red Dawn, Predator, Terminator, and so on. Keep in mind I am not saying I do not like strong female leads - I love Ripley from Alien/Aliens. Prob the most realistic female lead in an action film of all time.

EDIT: Oh, and I LOVE Furiosa from Mad Max Fury Road.
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« Reply #49 on: January 02, 2020, 01:35:52 PM »
That's interesting. I've never met anyone who actually likes the Pirates sequels. So far Beethoven 2 and Pirates 3 have been the only two films I've walked out of.

Wow I thought Pirates 3 was stretching things a bit, but man I thought Davy Jones was worth the price of admission alone.

Now I don't think I have been able to sit through either 4 or 5 in one sitting, and I have tried.