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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2004, 04:45:16 PM »
I think the way to use Rat Ogres are as DOW Ogres.  That way they have some semblance of reliability.  Thoughts?  I know this is an Empire forum, but I like the models as well.
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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2004, 05:21:14 PM »
Well, first off I agree that they are poor points-wise. That being said, I still think they can and should be taken in fluffy armies. Not every general wants to min-max itself. Some of them like to play with themes too. Alas, Rat Ogres are pretty much theme only options.

For min-max players I think that is a great idea to use the DOW Ogre/Rat Ogre swap for a rare slot. Think of them as creme de la creme creations that their twisted vermin creators must be especially proud of. Heck, they don't need to be wiped/electro-prodded in the right direction!

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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2004, 07:49:30 PM »
I'm too much of a fluffbunny to ever take that option.

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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2004, 08:16:15 PM »
I don't know why it would be anti-fluff bunny, except if the rest of your list is min/maxed.
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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2004, 08:32:02 PM »
taking Rat Oges as Ogres?  Nope, couldn't do it.  WISYWIG issues, among others.   :x

(great place for the "shaking head" emoticon.)

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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2004, 09:23:05 PM »
I have to agree with Queek, in fact I am taking Rat Ogres myself and trying to find a way to make them work (not much success so far tho...)

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« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2004, 03:56:33 PM »
Veskit, the one option that I"ve had some limited success with is to use a two pack as a flanker for a big RatPack with a Master Moulder in it.  The RatPack supplies the ranks, the Rat Ogres hopefully can crack ranks and do a wound or two, and the Master Moulder Psychology re-roll has a prayer of keeping the ROs in the game.

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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2004, 10:31:24 AM »
Having just "acquired" a Skaven army from a friend, I know too well it's strengths and weaknesses.

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When the Skaven work, they work well. When they don't work, its painful for the rats.

How true  :roll: I used them at Portsmouth last weekend, and in my 2nd game I lost to the guy that came last overall (his only win was agaisnt me  :oops: )  To be fair it was a good game, even if Plauge killed 90% of my own army, and the Rattling killed killed the last 10%  :(

I play a very (IMHO) balanced list, but I can see where the power comes from. The magic and the shooting are the only 2 things that really do any real damage, other than that it's CR.

Giant Rat Packs have become my best friend, they are just way better than thier stat lines. Speed, a good number of attacks, and cheap points cost, just make these boys my fav unit. I am now thinking of getting more Moudler units so I can have a horde Giant Rat army  :twisted:
Do not underestimate Giant Rats, if you do you will lose  :x

However, talking aobut Moulder brings me on to the Rat Ogre's  :(

I have been trying out units of 1, used in 2 ways.
* The first is to stick in front of a unit at an angle so they must charge the RO or not move, which I then flee and hoefully set up a flank counter-charge.
* The 2nd way is to go war-machine hunting with the Giant Rats. The RO normally dies (for some reason the perfer to be charged by ranked up unit  :?: ) but that leaved the RP alone. Or just the threat of 12" moving units means they send a ot of points thier way to stop me. Either way it's normally a win-win situation for me.

The biggest weakness is if the Pack Master dies, as it's 50% casulties and therefore a Ld 5 Panic check  :-x , which as you can guess the RO run's with little chance to rally.

I have been using 2 units of ONE for about 7 games now, and even though they have died every time (100vp's) I think they are worth it if you can use them right. Heck - Life is Cheap, even a 50pt Rat Ogre  :lol:

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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2004, 10:36:35 AM »
Ps. My current list :-

1 Grey Seer, Dispel Scroll, Warp Stone Charm

1 Assassin, Warpstone Stars
Watch your oppenats face when his Giant/Shaggoth/etc dies in 1 turn of shooting  :lol:

1 Warlock Engineer, Accumilator, Condenser, & Warp Blades, Dispel Scroll

1 Chieftan - Heavy Armour and Shield - Twisted Crown of the Horned Rat


25 Clanrat Slaves, Champion + Musician
   
24 Clanrat, Full Command
Rattling Gun

24 Clanrats, Full Command
Warp Fire Thrower
   
24 Storm Vermin, Shields, Full Command, War Banner

18 Giant Rat Pack
3 Pack Masters
   
18 Giant Rat Pack
3 Pack Masters
   
3 Rat Swarms


6 Warplock Jezzails
   
1 Rat Orgre
   
1 Rat Orgre
   
3 Gutter Runners "Tunneling Team", Poisoned Hand Weapons

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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2004, 12:42:31 PM »
John, thanks for coming to our forum.  Comments should be Empire centric please, again welcome.  You may want to try over at:  http://s6.invisionfree.com/The_UnderEmpire/index.php? if you want Skaven feedback.
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« Reply #35 on: September 28, 2004, 06:36:01 AM »
Sorry, I wasn't trying to get Skaven feedback, but to give people an idea on what's good / bad about the skaven using my own experience. In addition to demostrat the dirsty underhanded tactics of the rat.
The list was to show a balanced list and what you might expect to face in a friendly game.

I also have Empire and I used to have trouble beating the rat  :-x

Cheers

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« Reply #36 on: September 28, 2004, 12:00:19 PM »
I write a bunch of these articles and I have trouble beating the rat!!!
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« Reply #37 on: September 28, 2004, 03:29:28 PM »
I normally find that 2 Cannon's & a Mortar, and 4 dispel Scrolls, fixes 90% of my problems with Skaven  :lol:

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« Reply #38 on: September 28, 2004, 07:46:37 PM »
Don't you have to have two units of Clanrats before you can take two units of anything else?

You have two units of Slaves but only one unit of Clanrats.

I also don't think you can put Ratling Guns with Slaves.

I think you, by accident, put down two Slave Units and only one Clanrat unit.
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« Reply #39 on: September 29, 2004, 07:37:32 AM »
Quote from: cwalker
I think you, by accident, put down two Slave Units and only one Clanrat unit.
That's excatly what I did, the 2nd Slave unit was actaully a clanrat unit. The above has been edited.

Damm you "copy & paste", damm you to hell  :evil:

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« Reply #40 on: October 02, 2004, 08:06:00 AM »
Hehe, a little note form a beginning skaven player :D these articles are not only useful for the empire players, but also for us traitors which has little chance to get to play against empire before a tournament ;)

Gives a good insight in what the empire player can do to stop me, and thus also a good idea of ham to counter his counter :D
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« Reply #41 on: October 02, 2004, 09:08:24 AM »
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Hehe, a little note form a beginning skaven player


Et tu, Kaz? :roll:

Every time someone starts a skaven army, an angel dies. :crybaby:


Still, at least you're not playing demon bloody legion like every other bastard...
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« Reply #42 on: October 02, 2004, 09:49:43 AM »
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Hehe, a little note form a beginning skaven player


Et tu, Kaz? :roll:

Every time someone starts a skaven army, an angel dies. :crybaby:


Still, at least you're not playing demon bloody legion like every other bastard...


I'm not really STARTING a skaven army, I'm more than busy enough with my chaos "mortal" (at least the general is mortal). But I need a break from my lizards and empire, so I'm using a friends skaven army for our local tournament in about a month. I guess I will use them at this ONE tournament, and never play rats againt.
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« Reply #43 on: October 02, 2004, 10:36:32 AM »
I hate tunnelling teams and skirmishing swarms.  I would rather face the magic and shooting than tunneling teams and swarms.
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« Reply #44 on: November 01, 2004, 11:16:42 PM »
A few different versions of ways to use rat ogres are posted here: http://s6.invisionfree.com/The_UnderEmpire/index.php?showforum=2

Generally though, a few die hards maintain they *can* be used, the rest of us agree with Queek and co. - cool models, but useless on the pitch (so we sub them into clanrat units as 4-rat space-fillers instead ;))
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