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The issue of infantry and diving into the numbers

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Edwin von Dufflecoat:

Yes. And in this case still hypothetical.
 But I started off TOW using the 25 man blocks. They got hammered.

I switched to lines with detachments, and Ive won all but one game since.

Can I just point out as well that the OPs scenario isn't a fight between two units of equal points? The infantry wasted a third of their points on figures that play no part in the calculations at all. Obviously a unit of fully utilised figures will defeat a unit with one hand tied behind its back very easily...so untie their hands!
 

Skyros:
I think infantry in lines is still weak, but you're right that for certain units, it seems to do better than infantry in blocks. A couple infantry in blocks are mostly pointless.

Also, infantry in the rear ranks aren't doing nothing, they are contributing +1 CR. This is more than you are expected to generate from 5 infantry stabbing with spears, for example, into knights.

Of course, they reduced the # of ranks that can give static CR which was a big mistake IMO.  The final rank of guys is there as padding to ensure a single magic missile or handful of BS Shooting doesn't knock out your rank bonus. Again, much more a good idea when the infantry is sensibly costed, instead of overcosted.

Edwin von Dufflecoat:
But u aren't getting a rank bonus anyway against charging Knights.

Turn the argument on its head.

Let's charge 7 Knights with a frontage of 3, in 2 ranks and a spare, into the halberdiers.   Would we expect the Knights to do well? Of course not.

Do we need to houserule the game into submission to make it work...or just deploy them into line?

And the ten halberdiers at the back don't add +1 to anything ...unless u split them off to make detachments out of . Then they add more than +1

Skyros:
To be honest, I don't think cavalry should ever have gotten first charge either.

Which again, pushes you to linehammer. I think we both agree on that.

You think detachments are better than just a line, I think the reverse, but we both agree big infantry blocks are pointless, which I think was the point of the original post.

Edwin von Dufflecoat:
I think we can agree there.

But i get the impression a lot of people seemingly would prefer to "fix" the game , rather than change their tactics

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