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Title: The City State of NULN
Post by: Midaski on May 05, 2007, 03:38:05 PM
The Empire's second city by population, but it lays claim to being the first with regard to the Arts and its social life. As well as the Gunnery School it boasts the famous University of Nuln.

Library Link:   http://warhammer-empire.com/library/aisforaltdorf/the-city-state-of-nuln/


Current Ruler: Countess Emmanuelle von Liebwitz

State Colours: Black



Map Link:  (Colour) http://www.fys.ku.dk/~blicher/Nuln_v2.jpg
    (Black & White)  http://www.fys.ku.dk/~blicher/Nuln_v2_bw.jpg


Notes:
Home of the Gunnery School
The Knights Griffon used to be based at a Temple to Sigmar, but moved their HQ to the Cathedral of Sigmar in Altdorf.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Davido on May 28, 2007, 12:45:05 AM
I have a touch over 2500pts of Nuln. People whine about the excessive artillery but what is Nuln all about.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: brother ducat on August 15, 2007, 08:44:26 PM
Themed items for a Nuln Army.

Magic Armours -

The Gilded Armour - A gift to Magnus the Pious.

Dawn Armour - A Gold order creation.

Talismans -

Shroud of Magnus - Magnus the Pious.

Holy Relic - The most famous of which is used by the Arch Lector of Nuln.

Enchanted Items -

Rod of Command - A gift to Magnus the Pious.

Icon of Magnus - A relic of Magnus the Pious.

Magic Standards -

Steel Standard - A Gold order creation.

This is working on the premise that Nuln and its foundries would be an Ideal place for many of the Gold order to practise their arts, Which also possable then allows the inclusion of

Laurels of Victory - Golden laurels enchanted by wizards(They are GOLDEN, Tenuous perhaps).


Themed Characters for a Nuln Army -

Arch Lector

Gold order wizards

Themed Units for a Nuln Army -

Handgunners

Cannons

Mortars

Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Phydox on August 16, 2007, 01:08:29 PM
I play an army from Nuln, but not because I like artillery and handguns.  I play Nuln because my local game store started a Mordheim campaign, and models had to be painted.  I was playing 40k at the time, and knew I had a fantasy starter box in my closet with Empire troops.  So I decided to do a Reikland warband, but needed it painted fast. I knew Nuln was in/near Reikland...So, black uniforms, bone hats, a little regimental color, flesh and metal....done.

My Nuln Warband won that Mordheim campaign and my captain returned to Nuln as the toast of the town.  The Mordheim campaign was so popular that the local store decided to try Warbands next.  So, the Nuln warband of Mordheim got expanded.  Then the local store decided to do an escalation league, and the Nuln warband got even larger.  Today I probably have 3500 points of Empire.

I don't play a standard Nuln force with lots of shooting.  My army is more traditional Empire.  Actually even more towards the close combat end of the spectrum.  The reason for this is I say that my army is actually a Nuln Expeditionary Force, traveling the world in the name of Nuln (and looking for technology for the Gunnery school).  Finding new technology keeps the army fed.  So, my Nuln force has experienced a lot of attrition over the years.  Thats why theres not a lot of cannon or handguns.  I've started to add new models from different races as filler to create a "mob" or conscript look to my army.

When my army was in its infancy, during the Mordheim campaign, we had a message board to post challenges an stuff, and I used that board to write little stories about my warband, introduce characters, make challenges...just had a good time.  When I would play it would be funny because people I didn't know would stop in to see the real life models of the characters from my stories, and watch my games- so they could see the transition from game to story.  I still do that.  When I play a game against someone from my local store, I always write a story bringing in key elements from the battle.  I think it adds fun, excitement and motivation to the group.

The models of my army (specifically the models from my original Mordheim warband) have another meaning. for me.  One of the players from that original Morheim campaign became a rival, and a very good friend.  Our battles would always come down to the wire.  Well, that friend passed away suddenly a short time ago, and at first I found it very difficult to play or even open my army cases.  I really missed playing and laughing with the guy.  I guess time heals, because I'm back playing and now my army is special to me because as I'm settting up, or playing, I see a specific model and laugh or smile because it reminds me of a specific game with him and the fun we used to have.

My friend's main army was Empire also, so we would have some nasty games.  During one game we decided to do a campaign where Nuln was trying to secede and become independent.  Altdorf (his army) was trying to stop them.  Well he destroyed me, and as penance I had to field knights in my army painted up as Reikland Knights.  In our alternative universe, the Reikland knights were there as observers for the Nuln army to make sure they did what they were told and no funny business.  I also use Reikland knights on foot as my greatswords so it all kinda fit.  I painted their detachments the colors of Altdorf.

Hope I changed everyone perspective about Nuln.  Now maybe so many people, when they see my army, won't say "Nuln huh?  Where's the steamtank, handguns and all the cannons?" :-D






 
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Wyzer1 on August 16, 2007, 05:41:46 PM
Holy Relic - The most famous of which is used by the Arch Lector of Nuln.
Themed Characters for a Nuln Army -

Arch Lector

omg I forgot about that! Arch Lector + Pope Mobile + Handgunners + Artillery...

Man, I may just start a nuln themed empire army! (or just paint some of my unpainted empire stuff in a nuln theme)
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Veldemere on August 18, 2007, 09:27:10 PM
I thought the countess was the EC of Wissenland but was resident in Nuln, surely Nuln have an EC of their own. Either that or there is a spare Runefang for me!
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on August 21, 2007, 02:12:07 PM
Used to be that she was the Countess of Nuln and ruled Wissenland through her vassal, Bruno Pfeifraucher.  Something happened with some big war and she took his land from him.  That's WFRP material though, I think.  That and older WFB fluff, where things weren't as simple.  City States could have electoral votes (Nuln and Middenheim) and some provinces couldn't (like Wissenland and Nordland).  Much more realistic and representative of the HRE era.

City-States in WFB are traditionally run by Burgomeisters or Town Councils.  The Countess hangs out in Nuln because of the social aspects.  She's nothing like her people.  But her presence ties Nuln and Wissenland together somewhat. 

Her throne, or whatever, should be in Wissenburg.

So basically, she has the Blood Bringer (Wissenland Runefang) sitting in the corner gathering dust.  Now Kurt Helborg weilds Grudge Settler, so I can see you picking a fight with him soon Veldemere. :-D
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: oak_prince on August 22, 2007, 12:42:03 AM
Okay - so which Knightly Orders are located near Nuln?

I'm starting Nuln, and still trying to figure out the right ratio of old to new troops.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on August 22, 2007, 11:45:49 AM
http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=17696.0 (http://www.warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=17696.0)

List of all known knightly orders.  Something should come up to your liking.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: oak_prince on September 07, 2007, 07:52:03 AM
Well, the Knights of the Blazing Sun appeal to me - and their Black/Gold stands out from, but doesn't clash with, the state troops' Black/White uniforms.

But I was curious which orders are close to Nuln. :P
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: steveb on November 07, 2007, 05:47:53 PM
orders can have chapters in all provinces and city states, even in foriegn lands. I have seen references to a kislev white wolf chapter among others. steveb
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: W0lf on November 12, 2007, 10:18:13 PM
Hiya.

Just dropping in to say Nuln rocks.

Why i hear you ask?

Cool colours
Gunnery school - whats not to love
Gold wizards - everyone loves LoM!
Its a city state
Has the coolest name!
The mounted nurgle champion model is painted with a sign labelled Nuln :P

Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Sa!nt on December 12, 2007, 12:56:02 AM
I play a Nuln army because I like the black colour theme.

Could you tell me more about this women Emmanuelle von Liebwitz because my knowledge about here is very poor.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 12, 2007, 02:31:55 AM
I'll let Wissenlander or Fr1day do the fine details but in summation:

She's the elector count of Wissenland but forsakes the land because she sees it as dull. She much rather spend her time shopping and hanging out in her royal court of Nuln. She wishes to make Nuln independent from Wissenland (much like Marienburg) so she doesn't have to worry about Wissenland. Wissenland is hence very independent and self sufficient due to her lack of care and management.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 14, 2007, 06:59:36 PM
That sums it up quite nicely.  Nuln and Wissenland are tied together because of the Countess, and at one point in time Nuln was apart of Wissenland. The link provided should give you some greater info on the Countess and her family.

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49420 (http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49420)
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 14, 2007, 07:50:24 PM
She wants to make Nuln an independent city with her as the countess. This move would allow her to retain her runefang and her electoral vote but not actually have a province. If this did indeed happen, who would take over Wissenland? The Toppenheimer's?
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 14, 2007, 08:37:37 PM
Now we're talking old school fluff...if only I had been around. :dry: 

Well, I would think that it would be quite difficult for her to obtain complete autonomy.  She's in an odd position as she's a ruler that doesn't live in her own province.  If she were to somehow gain the full electorship through Nuln it would potentially unbalance things.  The other city states would be furious I'm sure that they are now left without a voice in the voting process, and if that were the case then Altdorf as well could conceivably get a vote as well, meaning that the Sigmarite block just got that much more stronger (which could be said for Ulricians as well if Middenheim got a vote).  As it stands, Nuln is farely well independent and the main tie between the city and Wissenland is the Countess.

Wissenland would then be the only province that did not have a Runefang, but conceivably the Solland or Drakwald blade could be given to the new family.  Solland would make more sense, but I'm not sure if Kurt Helborg would like that (or any of our seperatist friends around here for that matter  :wink:).  The Runefang that Emanuelle would try to keep would technically be the Wissenland blade, so I can see the people getting angry about that as well.  Then if they somehow do a swap of swords, then there's the issue of other cities now not having a Runefang either...messy, messy.

This information is off of Emanuelle trying to seduce Karl Franz or some such, I believe.  It's possible, but by all accounts she's in her mid to late 40s by now, as is our beloved Emperor.  So she's not the young'un that is often portrayed as...though she still loves to act it.  I think Karl's too strong to allow that to happen as it would really play with the power balance and he's too smart and strong willed for that.  A weaker Emperor wouldn't stand a chance against Emanuelle's advances, I'm sure.

I'm not totally familiar with the current major families of the province.  Are the Topenheimer's in Sigmar's Heirs or are they from a series of books?  It used to be that Bruno Pfeifraucher was the vassel to von Liebewitz and he ruled Wissenland but for some reason she took it away from him.  I have no idea what happened to him. 

And some of this stuff is from Critical Hit anyway I'm sure.  So how credibile it is, I'm not sure.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 14, 2007, 11:17:43 PM
I too have heard of Liebwitz making advances on the Emperor, but I'm not sure where I heard it. Knowing the bad fluff writers from GW, they might just marry off Franz to her in some bad story. They should hire some of the fluff writers from here :happy:

Here is what Sigmar's Heirs says about Nuln and Liebwitz:

Quote from: Sigmar's Heirsl p97
Niln is a city-state, technically free of Wissenland, but still owing allegiance to its Elector Count. This poses little problem for the freewheeling people of the city, for the Elector of Wissenland is also Countess of Nuln. Emmanuelle von Leibwitz, still beautiful in her middle age, loves Nuln and spends almost all her time there, giving grand balls and hosting dinners that last for days. She barely conceals her contempt for the "po-faced burghers" and the utter boredom that tortures her when she has to attend to provincial business. To rid herself of dreary Wissenland, Countess von Leibwitz is negotiating with the emperor to completely separate Nuln and Wissenland. She would retain Nuln and her electoral vote, whilst the province would be given to the Toppenheimer family, which would also receive an electoral vote. All this would be dine in return for large loans to the Emperor's war coffers, a strategy she is coordinating with her colleague in Talabheim.

So this indicates that basicly Leibwitz is like those spoiled brats on MTV's Sweet Sixteen. She could doesn't care about Wissenland in the slightest and would rather pay the Emperor (Bribe) to have control of Nuln. The Toppenheimer Family, headed by Baroness Molly Toppenheimer would take over should Leibwitz take Nuln.

The Gazetteer says these people control the cities

Wissenburg-Elector Countess Emmanuelle von Leibwitz
Geschburg-Baroness Molly Toppenheimer
Kreutzhofen- Count Pfeifraucher
Kropenleben- Baron Johan von Kalb
Meissen-Elector Countess Emmanuelle von Leibwitz
Pfeildorf (former capital of Solland) - Baroness Molly Toppenheimer
Scharmbeck- Baron Vincentus Preiss
Sonnefurt- Baroness Katrina von Heisenberg
Steingart-Baron Frederich Herbart
Wusterburg- Baron Manfred von Eigenhof

It seems that the Solland family (maybe some ties) would return to power if Nuln broke away. The Toppenheimers wouldn't have a military force to compete with Leibwitz's army of Nuln if she wanted to break away via force, or if the Toppenheimers wanted to resist her succession. From what I read, some of the other towns want to break away and become chartered free towns also. Where do you think Graf Olenbay's loyalties would lie?

Sounds like a campaign idea?  :wink:

~Karl Voss of Averland
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Midaski on December 15, 2007, 11:35:07 AM
Emmanuelle - sounds like a good name for a cat .................

 :engel:
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 17, 2007, 03:17:12 PM
Thankfully, our cat is male.

I'd imagine Gerhard would side with whoever was backing Wissenland.  But that's neither here nor there.

Wissenland doesn't have the military might to contend with Nuln, but I really wouldn't see a conflict arising between the two.  If Nuln wanted to break away that badly, I'm sure most in Wissenland wouldn't care.  It may have some negative ramifications upon the economy, but I don't really see that happening so much as the province is already poor.  And even if those towns did break away, I'd imagine it would be something along the lines of Bogenhafen where it's still in Reikland and a 'participating member', it just has more freedom. 

Really, that might not be so bad of an idea.  It could spur some economic growth in the region, though if not careful a war could begin to brew as each town vied for power.  If Karl was smart, he'd leave well enough alone on this.

Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 17, 2007, 06:55:44 PM
The loss of Nuln from Wissenland would more than likely not lead to war. It may cause a few people to start "a fussin' and a fightin' " I wonder if Solland would take a cue and declare independance from Wissenland if Nuln left, as the Toppenheimers would be in power and their strongholds lie within Solland's former borders. Imagine what would happen if you had a good Elector count(ess)

I'll just mind my own business on the other side of the upper reik  :biggriin:
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 18, 2007, 12:44:51 PM
Well, Pfeildorf used to be the capital of Solland, but where does the 'loyalty' of the Toppenheimers lie?  Are they in the Sudenland/Solland movement or are they just true blue Wissenlanders that happen to have their power base in the former capital?  800 years can have quite a bit of turnover, so there's nothing that says that the Toppenheimers are holding out hope for a renewed Solland.

The closer people were to Nuln, the worse it probably would be.  The farther out you get from there, in Wissenland, the less likely you're going to find any sort of support for the city dwellers.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Giladis on December 19, 2007, 08:10:28 AM
Also one should not forget Stirland in all of that. It held Nuln at certain times in history and a civil war between Wissenland and Nuln could be used by Stirlanders to try and recapture the city.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 19, 2007, 08:12:41 AM
Fantastic! And guess who would be right in the middle of a Stirland/Wissenland war...

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My guesses above were hypotheticals if Solland wanted to reclaim it's land. I figured the Toppenheimers would have Sollandic ties due to thier ownership of former Solland cities. It could have been the result of a land grab after Wissenland tried to rebuild. we'll never know.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 19, 2007, 03:27:50 PM
Probably not. Not unless GW really decides to go down that route, which I doubt they will. 
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 24, 2007, 02:20:32 PM
I just did a little bit of research, and this was found due to me reading some fluff from Giladis.  The Toppenheimers were the ruling family of Sudenland and handed it over to Wissenland.  If we can make the conclusion that Sudenland=Solland (which is difficult, but let's just say so) then the Toppenheimers could indeed have Solland tendancies.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 24, 2007, 04:31:29 PM
I thought the only difference between Sudenland and Solland was a change in fluff? As in the started calling Sudenland in the begining but changed it to Solland?
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 24, 2007, 04:54:46 PM
Sort of...

Sudenland was a province sandwiched between Averland and Wissenland in 3rd edition (and I believe earlier), much as Solland was.  Once 4th edition hit, Sudenland never existed and GW created Solland.  However, the whole existence of Solland was based upon it's destruction.  It was never a 'living' province under GW fluff. 

In some regards they could be considered the same but they really aren't.  Solland was destroyed over 800 years ago IC and Sudenland was just recently (50 years or less) absorbed back into Wissenland.  Sudenland actually was a later developing province as well IIRC, based upon noble deeds in the Great War against Chaos.  So it wasn't one of the originals during the time of Sigmar.  Not until the latest Empire book did they attempt to reconcile the Sudenland issue, saying that it was Sollanders that remained independent and referred to it as such.

That started the simplification of WFB and the Empire.  It was very much more complicated and Holy Roman Empireesque.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on December 24, 2007, 06:03:11 PM
Interesting, them Wissenlanders are an Ornery bunch aren't they? So it is the Sollanders that wanted to split back into a province called Sudenland (different from Solland in location as in along the Upper Reik?) during the Storm of Chaos? I'm sure they aren't happy that Kurt Helborg is riding around with their Runefang aswell.

Let's just call it: Sudenissenolland?  :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 24, 2007, 06:13:23 PM
I don't really know if it was a Solland plot to get a province back, but that's what happened.  I think Critical Hit has some info on Sudenland, and it might be a decent enough source to find out about it.  It's really confusing, and it's hard to get a handle on sometimes.

And no, Sollanders don't like the Reiksmarshal with the Runefang. Veldemere is quite upset that Kurt has 'his' sword. :icon_neutral:
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: offroadfury88 on December 24, 2007, 08:53:56 PM
Yeah but critical hit isn't official fluff. Use it if you want, but I would go with GW everytime, even if it is inconsistent.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Giladis on December 25, 2007, 10:15:32 AM
Maybe I can shed a little light with a short chronology.

0-1707 Imperial Province of Solland

1712 Province of Solland is divided between Wissenland and Averland with the majority going to Wissenland.

2303 Due to their actions in the great war against chaos emperor Magnus grants Mecklenburg family Electoral status and creates for them the province of Sudenland. It is exclusevly made out of most of Sollands territories in Wissenland along with a small triangle of Wissenlands land between rivers Sol and Upper Reik

2505 The Mecklenburg counts abdicate and transfer the Electoral Status upon their cousins the Toppenheimers

2515 The Toppenheimers abdicate their Electoral Status and the province is joined back with Wissenland

Both these abdications were under unknown circumstances

Though some might speculate that it had something to do with the rise of power of Grand Countess Emmanuelle von Liebewitz of Nuln to the rank of Elector Countess of Wissenland in 2514 and Emperors potential interest in her. Ensuring her to get as much land as possible before marrying her would have been a prudent move that GW might have though of in the past but forgot.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 27, 2007, 12:41:52 PM
Is that from WFRP v. 1?  I don't think I've ever seen such a timeline in one place, and it probably isn't.  Just curious.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Giladis on December 28, 2007, 01:31:12 PM
Is that from WFRP v. 1?  I don't think I've ever seen such a timeline in one place, and it probably isn't.  Just curious.

I created this timeline based on the information available to me from WHFB, WHFRP v. 1 & 2.

I am waiting for Sigmar's Heir to arrive over the next few months. 
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on December 28, 2007, 01:45:54 PM
Cool, thanks for the info.  You'll like Sigmar's Heirs, Giladis.
Title: Nuln River Guard
Post by: Johann Q Peasant on June 29, 2008, 01:12:38 PM
New Nuln Player here,


I like to think of an army theme before jumping in.  The Nuln River Guard was created when I decided that I wanted a Nuln army, but with distinct flavor.  It's not directly from Nuln, but from the town of Grissenwald, which is a town north of Nuln upon the Reik River, near the border with Reikland.  The paint scheme will be a the Nuln black with a bit of Reikland Red as trim.  I plan on using them without as much guns as a Nuln army, as the river guard cant afford same forces as the State troops from the City.

Why not all red? Well, I already had a unit of Free Company that used to be mordheim pirates, and their main color was red.  And I like Red and black.  I'm just going to need alot of practice painting...
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: GamesPoet on June 29, 2008, 02:07:04 PM
I like your idea.  Although I believe Reikland's main color is white, not red. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Johann Q Peasant on June 29, 2008, 02:14:27 PM
I like your idea.  Although I believe Reikland's main color is white, not red. :icon_wink:

Whoops :Ohmy: There Red and white banner threw me off.  Well, now its because they like red. 
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Union General on June 30, 2008, 03:03:39 AM
Perhaps...
It could be simply the fact that they are not part of the Reikland State Troops per se, but wish to keep ties with the province of Reikland whilst maintaining their ties to Nuln.
Good idea, though.  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Sigmar's son on July 05, 2008, 07:49:02 PM
How do you do Giladis?
You were waiting for my arrival were you?
well here I am
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Aiglos on March 13, 2009, 04:45:53 AM
Okay I really want to make a Warhammer army based on lore so it actually makes sense.  For Nuln, I'm still a little unclear on the type of soldiers I need.  Do I just need riflemen and pikesmen mainly?  I am looking to build a 2k point army in the near future and would like a little direction for this army.  Thanks!
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: GamesPoet on March 14, 2009, 02:36:37 AM
There are likely some Nuln based army lists in the Parade Ground area of these forums.

It is my understanding military units that use gunpowder are common for Nuln, and this could include things like handgunners, pistoliers, outriders, and various types of artillery.  The use of pikes and half pikes is also common, although perhaps this can be represented by units of spears for certain competitions.  However, there is no reason in my mind why you couldn't use other types of units as well because I suspect there could be other types possible, although perhaps in lesser quantity then one might find in other armies.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: der Hurenwiebel on April 12, 2009, 03:46:21 AM
With all the talk about wissenland being poor and Emmanuelle being the current absentee countess of it I got to thinking of the provinces proximity to the southern mountains.  I got to thinking about this especially considering our own world's geological world wide phenomena, and living in the Canadian province of Alberta, I've got to ask does wissenland have all hell for a basement?  If so would the college of engineers in Nuln have an interest in sending out Steam engines and steam powerplants to drill for that devilish commodity to fuel their machinery of war.  If so, seperation and an absentee countess who disregards the inhabitants, may be encouraged from the Wissenlander's side.  Especially if they aren't seeing what they perceive as their fair share of the rewards from their own resources.  Suddenly in my own mind there are all kinds of story arcs involving entrepeneurial engineer college graduates, combining forces with merchant prince venture capitalists, mercenary captain security professionals, oh my oh my what fun.  Especially when the sleepy snob herself realizes the error of her assumption of the poverty and dullness of her province after it tries to seperate from her, while the engineers guild silly tinkerers that they are sob, cry, and beg her not to let them.  This is not even counting the Emperor himself becoming interested in the goings on of wissenland, and demands his cut of the pie. 
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: wissenlander on April 14, 2009, 10:56:24 PM
Halibergen and Schwarzwasser employees crawling all over the place. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: der Hurenwiebel on April 15, 2009, 02:35:59 AM
Yup and "Schnell Wissenland", "PetroSolland",  I could see it as a whole Fluff campaign, confused orcs, and wood elves watching as teams of empire engineers drill deeeeeeeeep holes only to pointlessly dynamite them and have Amber wizards meditating about the earth on nearby hilltops.  All while the imperial corps of surveyors carefully map the terrain far more intricately that seems sensible.  Eventually they would, of course, become bored of simply watching, (about as long as it takes to sneak up on the surveyors anyways) and attack.  I think I want to build a steam punk oil derrick, complete with landesknecht roughnecks, motorhand and Toolpush.  This would have to consist of several steam engine chassis to move the tower provide power to the drill move the crew's portable homes etc. 

Later on of course the wissenlanders will have the prayer " Lord Sigmar please let there be another oil boom, and this time I promise I will not just piss it away"
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Inarticulate on April 24, 2009, 02:46:57 PM
Well currently there's a civil war going on in Wissenland, so rather perfect for some entrepreneurial Merchant Engineer to take advantage of the current situation!

Drop by the Solland thread!
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: der Hurenwiebel on August 19, 2009, 10:58:31 PM
been reading up and catching up on the story lines you've got going on there and am wishing I had an extra 12 hours a day to dedicate to writing here as well as the other "day job" stuff I've got to do. oh well I'll just have to sit on the idea for a while then
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Burgermeiser on May 27, 2010, 06:59:28 PM
I have a touch over 2500pts of Nuln. People whine about the excessive artillery but what is Nuln all about.

They're just jealous 'cause they don't have as many guns!  :closed-eyes:
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Burgermeiser on May 27, 2010, 07:06:19 PM
I too have heard of Liebwitz making advances on the Emperor, but I'm not sure where I heard it. Knowing the bad fluff writers from GW, they might just marry off Franz to her in some bad story. They should hire some of the fluff writers from here :happy:

Here is what Sigmar's Heirs says about Nuln and Liebwitz:

Quote from: Sigmar's Heirsl p97
Niln is a city-state, technically free of Wissenland, but still owing allegiance to its Elector Count. This poses little problem for the freewheeling people of the city, for the Elector of Wissenland is also Countess of Nuln. Emmanuelle von Leibwitz, still beautiful in her middle age, loves Nuln and spends almost all her time there, giving grand balls and hosting dinners that last for days. She barely conceals her contempt for the "po-faced burghers" and the utter boredom that tortures her when she has to attend to provincial business. To rid herself of dreary Wissenland, Countess von Leibwitz is negotiating with the emperor to completely separate Nuln and Wissenland. She would retain Nuln and her electoral vote, whilst the province would be given to the Toppenheimer family, which would also receive an electoral vote. All this would be dine in return for large loans to the Emperor's war coffers, a strategy she is coordinating with her colleague in Talabheim.

So this indicates that basicly Leibwitz is like those spoiled brats on MTV's Sweet Sixteen. She could doesn't care about Wissenland in the slightest and would rather pay the Emperor (Bribe) to have control of Nuln. The Toppenheimer Family, headed by Baroness Molly Toppenheimer would take over should Leibwitz take Nuln.

The Gazetteer says these people control the cities

Wissenburg-Elector Countess Emmanuelle von Leibwitz
Geschburg-Baroness Molly Toppenheimer
Kreutzhofen- Count Pfeifraucher
Kropenleben- Baron Johan von Kalb
Meissen-Elector Countess Emmanuelle von Leibwitz
Pfeildorf (former capital of Solland) - Baroness Molly Toppenheimer
Scharmbeck- Baron Vincentus Preiss
Sonnefurt- Baroness Katrina von Heisenberg
Steingart-Baron Frederich Herbart
Wusterburg- Baron Manfred von Eigenhof

It seems that the Solland family (maybe some ties) would return to power if Nuln broke away. The Toppenheimers wouldn't have a military force to compete with Leibwitz's army of Nuln if she wanted to break away via force, or if the Toppenheimers wanted to resist her succession. From what I read, some of the other towns want to break away and become chartered free towns also. Where do you think Graf Olenbay's loyalties would lie?

Sounds like a campaign idea?  :wink:

~Karl Voss of Averland

I read somewhere about Karl Franz already has a wife and two children. They'd have to kill the wife off first.  ::heretic::
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Burgermeiser on May 27, 2010, 07:19:50 PM
Well, the Knights of the Blazing Sun appeal to me - and their Black/Gold stands out from, but doesn't clash with, the state troops' Black/White uniforms.

But I was curious which orders are close to Nuln. :P

The only one I know of based primarily in Nuln is the Knights Griffon. Technically, they're like Space Marine chapters from 40k. You can make up your own if you want, I try to stick to the established ones, but the only ones close to Nuln are from what I've gathered, the Knights Griffon (though they moved their main chapter house to Altdorf), the Knights Panther (possibly since they are the father order of the Knights Griffon), and the Knights of the Blazing Sun (who are everywhere in the Empire, especially after the advent of Warhammer Online where you can be a Blazing Sun Knight!) :ph34r:
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Gunther Von Heldenbrah VI on April 24, 2011, 07:34:20 PM
Hello fellow citizens from Nuln! I've been looking at this forum for months now and just finally decided to join up. I have about 7500 points of painted Nuln and I just love the province and the color scheme. The reason why I chose Nuln is because,
1. Easy to paint
2. Cool background (really cool background)
3. Guns...Lots of guns

I do have to say that my army has a pretty diverse mix of things, and is a little...unique as far as Empire armies go. For example I have No knights (yet). I really don't like the look of the current knights and I'm just waiting for new ones. I'm looking forward to talking more about the mighty province of Nuln!
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Inarticulate on April 27, 2011, 08:25:02 PM
Good man! Welcome to the ranks of the Blackcoats!

Ill see you in the Nuln Officer's Mess.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Brad on July 08, 2011, 11:18:42 AM
Just skimmed through this thread and want to add that more info about Emanuelle von Liebwitz can be found in the waaay old novel Beasts in Velvet.  Anything else I want to post about this would end up being spoilers for this book.

Also, Karl Franz has at least one son, who makes brief appearances in both Beasts in Velvet and Drachenfels.  His name escapes me at the moment.

Apologies for the threadomancy but I didn't see the book mentioned earlier in the thread.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Prince Nuada on November 19, 2011, 12:29:42 PM
Holy Lectors and Prelates, Lord Alchemists, Master Engineers, Burgomeisters, Generals, Lords and Ladies of Nuln...

...I give you my Nuln Army.



Regiment of Halberd & Crossbow (40 Halberdiers, detachment of 20 Halberdiers, detachment of 20 Crossbowmen)


Two regiments of Swords (30 Swordsmen, 2 detachments of 15 Free Company Mercenaries)


Two regiments of Handgun & Half-Pike (20 Handgunners, 2 detachments of 10 Spearmen)


Wissenburg regiment of Half-pike & Bow (20 Spearmen, 2 detachments of 10 Archers)


Regiment of the Templar Order of the Knights Griffon (20 Knights)




Regiment of the Armoury Guard (20 Greatswords & 2 detachments of 10 Halberdiers)


Regiment of the Grand Order of the Reiksguard (20 Inner Circle Knights)


Regiment of Pistolkorps Pistoliers (10 Pistoliers)


Two Great Cannons


Two Mortars



Helblaster Volleygun


"City of Nuln" (Steam Tank)


The Brotherhood of Atonement (30 Flagellants)



Note that I haven't listed any Lords or Heroes.
I have a few to choose from, mostly General/Captains, Sigmarite Priests & Gold Wizards.
I also have Reikmarshal Kurt Helborg up my sleeve to lead the Reiksguard Knights and the army if so commanded by his Emperor.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: ColonialRaptor on August 08, 2012, 12:44:02 AM
So, who do we use as the elector / general of a null force of arms? It seems like miss elector isn't a battle woman and doesn't fight so she's not suitable, but I'd still like to bypass those things and make her a warrior and have a female general of my nuln army... But it might jinx me to have bad luck with the dice to go against cannon.

My army is going to be an imperial decree army of Karl Franz himself, it will be an elite force with a mixture of troops. So it will have gunnery from nuln, which includes all black powder, artillery and handgunners and outriders. Then there will be a mixture of reikdorf and altdorf state troops of various regiments. The carroburg greatswords.  A unit of Reiksguard Knights and Knights Griffon as my regular Knightly order.  I was originally considering making the knightly order white wolves, however I think the models are crap and I like to do conversions and I will make a fully converted custom unit of knights griffon. That is my style. Just need to know their heraldry colours.
Title: Re: The City State of NULN
Post by: Eltrummor on March 02, 2013, 02:41:20 PM
Well, IF (wich I don't think will happen with GWs fluff) a civil war breaks out between Wissenland and Nuln, how do you think Averland would react?