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Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 14, 2005, 07:56:19 AM
Well it seems we may finish a gallant second.

Our 2 South African stalwarts, Rorrak and Vann Harl, are off to their National Tourney this weekend, so will have difficulty contributing.

Good Luck Boys

It depends on the length of the Round - but the General said "short" so that may be Sunday or even less.

We are so far behind at Bechafen that Talabecland should win comfortably now - I am not sure what went wrong there, as I could not foresee them scoring that much :oops:

They posted 31 battles as opposed to our 12 - so that was probably the root cause, but I think some of my maths was suspect too :oops:

Well we'll wait and see the modifiers/conditions, but as we're some 42000 points behind at Bechafen, and I think we'd need over 14,000 at Brustenbruck I doubt we can change much.
 :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 14, 2005, 09:22:03 AM
Its amazing how life works sometimes.

A friend of mine is down in Durban today and tommorow for bussiness and has brought his dwarves with. He has agreed to play two smaller 1000 point games instead of a  2000 pointer.

This really puts a spanner in my painting / Basing preparation works though, but its rare that I get to see him. I guess some midnight oil on Thursday will be called for.

Add to that 3 skirmish games (already played) and I become a contributer this round :)
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 14, 2005, 12:20:30 PM
What happened.

31 Battles and 21 Skirmishes from handfull of T-Land players is what happened. With the 50% modifier in place a nicely modified skirmish  was worth more than an unmodified full on battle.

Can we retaliate ?

If we could muster up our much larger crew and get games some games out of them we certainly could but that sounds improbable.

Taking Brustenbach will net us more territories than T-Land but they will have the prize location.

Bechafen seems to be the option to go for.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Vann Harl on September 14, 2005, 12:26:35 PM
Thank you for the support Madaski   :-D The Nationals will be a big learning curve for me as its my first big tourney.  Unfortunately I have no more battles to report for this round and I guess I must bow out and say adieu.

The Middenland team has done rightously well! we can rightly be proud our legendary defence of Kaltenbach and our feats at "The Uneasy"

A big Cheers for Midaski who whipped us into an organised fighting force, and applause to some of the finest Generals to serve the Empire who lent their strategic and tactical acumen and contributed to our tactical discussions in this forum aided by a fine "Standings Tally" programme. You can all be proud!
Of course the best tactical theories would have been nothing if it was not for all the players who waded accross the muddy river Talabec and footslogged accross countless gamming boards to bring us their battle reports.

 :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:

We have one more chance to bloody the nose of the Tallies :!:

"Bury their bones in Bechafen!" Let this be our new war cry! don't let them take it easy
Title: Lets go out fighting!!!!!!
Post by: rha celt on September 14, 2005, 12:28:23 PM
I plan to play as many games as it takes this week to get 5 massacres.  I then plan to get up saterday morning and post them all to  Brustenbeck(sp). I am of the opinion that if we talk nice to the Tali's this week they may not expect this.  I really do not think this would give us the campaign but it would let them know we went down fighting.  They only have 13,000 points there and if we all make a big push this week  we may be able to at least contest it.  I hope for any support we can rally and that everyone knows we are not done making them fear are steel.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 14, 2005, 12:45:52 PM
Hi,

I suspect it may only be a 4 day round.

I can phone my saturday games from the tournament into my wife and she could post them for me. Assuming I win of course :)

That gives me a potential 5 Results of wich I can pick the best 4.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 14, 2005, 01:19:22 PM
@rha.
If we got enough battles we could take Bechafen to contested.
The Talas have to have 50% more than the combined totals of us and Stirland.
Stirland's total cannot change unless they post skirmishes - maybe we need to point that out to them :wink:

I am not sure how it is working?
Talas have 75475
We have 33825 plus Stirland have 22750 = 56575.
[They are 18900 ahead of the combined total of the other factions]

Now + 50% of 56575 makes 84863 ?? which should mean they do not have control??

So I am not sure what the maths are.
Basically I imagine that we need to make up some of the difference to a certain point and then to keep overall control they will have to post DOUBLE our points thereafter..................
 :?:

@Vann Harl
Good luck with he tourney, and see what Rorrak said about 'phone home'
["VH Phone Home"]

@Rorrak
Yes we got caught out with a poor round just when they had a cracker.

They had a dedicated team of 6/7 who all played and posted big - we had more contributors/members, but with a much more sporadic gaming pattern..............

If only we could suddenly have 25 or so members suddenly appear this round with 1 or 2 battles each and it would be us posting 35 battles, and maybe really contesting ..........

............ but such is the fickle nature of internet warring, and the inability of commanders to put itinerant generals in front of a firing squad ..
:wink:  :wink:  

Still it has generally been great fun; the campaign fluff and literature was brilliant, and the concept magnificent ...............

............. and I have devoted far too much time to it.
 :roll:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: General Helstrom on September 14, 2005, 01:37:47 PM
Midaski:

You need to have 50% of the total control rate in a location to contest/hold it. Ie:

Talabecland:..75,475
Middenland:...33,825
Stirland:........22,750
__________________+
...................132,050

50% of 132,050 is 66,025 - Talabecland beats this score, and is thus in control.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 14, 2005, 01:58:32 PM
Quote from: General Helstrom
Midaski:

You need to have 50% of the total control rate in a location to contest/hold it. Ie:

Talabecland:..75,475
Middenland:...33,825
Stirland:........22,750
__________________+
...................132,050

50% of 132,050 is 66,025 - Talabecland beats this score, and is thus in control.


Midaski returns from studious searching of Campaign pages and FAQ's, trying to find conditions for control of Bechafen to discover someone has just posted it here............


OK so current 50% is 66025, and Talas have 75475 so we have to make up 18900 + 1 to start with to get it back to contested.

Then we have to match anything the Talas post there.

So there is our target guys 18901 point more than Talabecland at Bechafen this round, or by 'Saturday Calvin Time'.

Brustenbruck will need 13850 + 1 points more than the Talas to make it contested.

I reckon both are probably well out of our reach seeing as we got well outscored last round.
Brustenbruck is probably more realistic BUT doesn't have the same sort of Kudos as pushing them close in Bechafen.

I think we all have to agree to post to the SAME target.

I would vote Bechafen.
 :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 14, 2005, 02:12:35 PM
I agree all at the same target.

I agree Bechafen.

Any attempt at Kaltenbach will wither if they see a hefty push at Bechafen.

We have nothing to lose but they do.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 14, 2005, 02:21:18 PM
Well I have a massacre from last Sunday I saved, and I should get 2 games in Friday night - I might 'ensure' I play the weaker opponents!

My son and his DE are really giving me problems at present - his list is one of the few that is MORE mobile than my CoU / Kislev cavalry combination.
Still a few more days and I can dump a pure campaign list and reintroduce his bloody Dark riders and Shades to a helblaster.
 :wink:  :wink:
Last week I did get a game in with him on the Wednesday as well, as his judo was cancelled - not sure if he's going tonight or not.

Anyway enough of my rambling.............

Might be fun to hold off until the Saturday morning and then post everything in one big hit.........

we could have a unified faction posting at a set universal time ..........

our final act of solidarity ......................

 :wink:
Title: You are the command.
Post by: rha celt on September 14, 2005, 04:11:34 PM
You guys, Midaski and Rorrak, have lead us brilliantly so far. It is not your fault that your command has many other duties besides this campaign.  I have every entention of posting 4 or 5 major wins saturday  morning even if it means an all nighter friday. I also know you want all the points at Bechafen.  My point would be is it going to effect the outcome? If we take the same amount of points and commit them to Brustenbruck can we not at least contest it. I just feel that Bechafen after the tali"s get done posting will be completely out of reach.  I still think we need to post as many skirmish battles as we possibly can but lets save all the good ones for a full press, do or die, saturday.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Guvnor on September 14, 2005, 07:34:57 PM
A big bechafen push should secure us a good bit of fluff and respect but I think at this stage we might need to *suggest* to the stirlanders that the talabeclanders need some stopping, if they agree to go for bechafen then between us the talas should lose it to contested.

Now the sneaky bit: We persuade the stirlanders to attack bechafen then wait until sat and go for burtsenbruck. The stirlanders will contest bechafen and we should win burtenbruck, effectively we have used the stirs to stop tala and should end up winning. Of course this relies on gullible stirlanders, but hey they seeem to have fulfilled that so far.

Just an idea.  :-D

Excuse spelling am doing this at same time as coursework.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Guvnor on September 14, 2005, 07:36:30 PM
Btw does that opole count for anything?
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: General Helstrom on September 14, 2005, 09:34:41 PM
Opole is a neutral location, only there because it's... Well, there :)
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 14, 2005, 11:02:36 PM
@Guvnor
The problem is we will not 'win' anything in one round - we can only contest it...........

We are really looking for some 'bragging rights'  :wink:

Brustenbruck might have some merit as we could say that theoretically the Talas wouldn't hang on to Bechafen with us virually surrounding them, but then they still have a solid lead at Udo's :roll:

I am alos not sure about total battle points scored over the entire campaign - should be fairly easy to total up from Rorrak's current standings - but I am too tired and in need of sleep now.......
 :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Middenland_is_Okay on September 15, 2005, 03:56:11 AM
I would not count on anything from the Stirs, as they are almost nonexistant at the moment.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 15, 2005, 06:13:15 AM
Hi,

Well I did well against an out of practice friend last night. We had some good laughs and beers and the result is that I have ...

1 Massacre vs Dwarves + Campaign List.
1 Solid vs Dwarves + Campaign List.

We didnt use a scenario because neither of us liked the one for Bechafen really.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Erken on September 15, 2005, 12:37:26 PM
Its good if we post up all of our points to se how much we have, like Rorrak just did. Then if we save them up we would now where they would be of best use when we get near this rounds end.

 Maybe we could do it in a seperate thread.

I got a massacre yesterday so i have:

1 massacre vs dwarfs with campagin list no scenario
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Guvnor on September 15, 2005, 02:26:17 PM
Well if we're talking about bragging then the talas have it all cos' they have bechafen and nobody else can win it, only contest.

It really depends whether we want to contest bechafen and draw with talas or go for somewhere else and probly lose.   :?

Edit: Reading through the results again I think that there is no chance we will contest either one as, If I was a tally, I would simply split 50/50 on brustenbruck and bechafen as that means we probably can't contest either one. And I'm pretty sure they are smarter than me.

We will come in second I think and the only way we might win is if the stirs rally and do one last push at Udo's and we contest bechafen. That means we have 4 and the tala's have 3 and 2 contested.

There is a chance!!!! :-D  :-D  :-D  :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 15, 2005, 02:52:34 PM
If you look at round 7's results no one contested Bechafen. I suspect that Bechafen belongs to the faction that has 50% or more of the total control rate. There is no intermediate "contested" state.

For that reason its possible to take ownership of Bechafen away from TLand in one round. Thats not something we can do anywhere else.

Interestingly Stirland are doing a light push at UDO's, or maybe its just a rogue general.

To take Bechafen to unowned isnt out of reach. Its unlikely but not impossible.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Guvnor on September 15, 2005, 05:26:04 PM
So when nobody had it it was effectivley 'controlled' by the riots, right? Ah, I see.

If we can team up with stirland then the talas may lose enough for us to take victory!!! :-D

But, then again I may be talking rubbish...  :(
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Guvnor on September 15, 2005, 05:29:50 PM
Since it is the imperial scrivener i imagine it could be the start of a big stir assualt. :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D  :-D
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 15, 2005, 07:17:47 PM
It might be nice if the Talas 'thought' they were under attack at Udo's and put a few reports there - it would take away points from Bechafen.

A feint from us at Brustenbruck might accomplish the same thing........

But really I think it is too late - we look like we would need 44,000 points or more to really take over ......................

I suppose we still have to throw everything at Bechafen and pray for a few miracle appearances from our membership with loads of battles.

Anyway I am off to do battle with the troublesome DE, as their general informs me he has finished his coursework ..............

Now if I can just have a bit of luck, and just for once get some of my traps and manoeuvring to work..................

 :-D  :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 16, 2005, 08:08:56 AM
Well I'm all ready for the tourney. All painted, Based, Fluffed and Rostered.
100% Wysiwyg. A very non standard list for me, but I've heard that decked out lists akin to UK GT are required for this tourney.

Even had time for a practice game and got the kind of result I'm hoping for in the tourney :)

My wife wont be able to post for me on Saturday because she wont be home so I'm going to have to post my battles today soonish. They are all fairly good scoring.

Massacre Dwarves List. 1400
Solid Dwarves List 1050
Massacre Dwarves. 1200

The drawback is that I have to do them soon and this will give away our intention.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Erken on September 16, 2005, 08:19:49 AM
I think we should try and contest Brustenbruck i dont think we have what it takes to contest Bechafen, it seems like the Talas are posting all they got over there.

We might be able to get 14000 to post at brustenbruck
I and rorrak has together 5050 points for starters.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 16, 2005, 10:10:29 AM
Well as of Rorrak's latest update we would need 28000 + 1 point to contest Bechafen now............

and they still may have more points to come.

Brustenbruck would be easier, and I suppose we could claim that tactically we are encircling them in Bechafen, so in future rounds we would have trapped and conquered anyway...........

 :wink:

I don't mind really - I agree Bechafen is probably impossible, but would be the most appropriate for the last round.

It might be interesting to contest Brustenbruck .............. :?:

Let's just vote and agree and then we can post up tomorrow, or today if necessary because you are going off enjoying yourself for the weekend.

 :-D  :wink:  :lol:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 16, 2005, 10:49:29 AM
If T-Land wanted to they could slam dunk us at Fort Grigory :)

I highly doubt we can influence Bechafen right now, T-Land have found another strong round to post.

I'm not sure what good taking Brustenback to contested would do.

T-Land has. Waldschmid,Udos,Brusten,Rhya's, Bech (5)

We have Fort-G,Rakhov,The Uneasy,KaltenBach (4)

Thus if we did contest Brustenback we would both have 4.5 but T-Land would have the prize city as well.

The thing is that if we could find the points for Bechafen to at least contest it we would draw on 4 territories each.

I still vote Bechafen. I will check back before I fly out and put my battles where ever we have decided by that time.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Erken on September 16, 2005, 11:57:17 AM
Yeah  your probably right there rorrak contesting brustenbruck wont draw us scince they got bechafen.

I thought that if we would have 4 and they 4 territories and we  have more points  than  them in the last one (brustenbruck) we would be sort of higher but i guess bechafen will tillt it in their favor.

So my vote goes for a glorious defeat at the walls of bechafen
Title: Tuff call
Post by: rha celt on September 16, 2005, 12:21:39 PM
The amount of points we need at bechafen continues to grow. I have two massacres and two solids right now and hope to add more tonight. I will be able to post the most points I have in any round but it still will not make any difference at Bechafen. Brustenbruck on the other hand is within our reach. I know it will not win the campaign for us but it will tighten up the race. We would each have 4.5 areas verses them with 5 and us with 4 as it will be if we launch all our attacks against Bechafen. Sometimes you have to go for a draw. I will follow your lead but this is my feelings on the matter.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Rorrak on September 16, 2005, 01:23:38 PM
Ok, Well no vote really is in. I'm going to take the general feel as Brustenbach is doable and post there. Flying out in 30 mins so must post now . Good luck.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 16, 2005, 01:40:24 PM
Ok so Brustenbruck it is then.

Actually Rorrak that is a good tactical spot - they could have had a go at Fort Grigory through controlling Bechafen.


Have they spotted it and chosen not to, or have they not seen the opportunity.

I have 2 battles at the moment, and 2 to play tonight [I've told my opponents it's the last round so they HAVE to play Empire], - now I need to look at the Brustenbruck scenarios...............

and so I will post mine tomorrow.

I see I have still not had a proper answer to the 'Bechafen Scenario' question I posted during Round 8 ............
............. despite a couple of 'attempts' by the Talas to explain there version, I still do not see how you measure the strength of the scenario victory, despite much reading of BRB.

 :?:  :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: jmanwarhammer on September 16, 2005, 08:30:53 PM
We could probably talk the Strlanders into posting at Udo's Fall. They don't want Talabecland to win just as much as us (take a look at the pre campaign smack talk threads). All it would take would be a skilled writer to post something pretty straight-forward in the community forum, the Stirlanders in their ignorance would probably pitch in. I'd do it but I'm a horrible writer...
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 16, 2005, 10:03:58 PM
Quote from: Midaski


Actually Rorrak that is a good tactical spot - they could have had a go at Fort Grigory through controlling Bechafen.

Have they spotted it and chosen not to, or have they not seen the opportunity.


How strange - Rorrak posts I reply and suddenly we have battles being reported to Fort Grigory.

and we have Campaign Team members posting 6 battles in a 4 day round, so obviously it's NOT a ONE battle per Day round folks............

 :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Calvin on September 17, 2005, 12:37:20 AM
Well, post as many as you want but I will only be taking four from each person.


Rufus has apparently made a miscalculation somewhere.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: rufus sparkfire on September 17, 2005, 09:46:09 AM
Oh, is that a rule? Sorry. :oops:

I was only posting because there are almost no Stirlanders left.

edit: fixed!

edit edit: I'm not the only one posting excess reports!
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Calvin on September 17, 2005, 01:14:03 PM
I keep a list of names on my desk while I count it all up, so I should be able to pick these people out as I go along.

Also people can post one normal report and one skirmish per day, so it is possible to post more than one per day, just not more than one “regular” battle.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 17, 2005, 01:23:46 PM
Of course what the Talas haven't realised with Fort Grigory is that they have to match/beat the combined totals of us and Stirland there.........

ie. have 50%+ of the totals - so their target is 24050 + 1 not our 13650 score -

a cunning ploy by Rorrak and I arranged by email just to check  :!:

so they have posted a lot of points there with no advantage.

suckers.......................

 :wink:

Brustenbruck is still the target.

 :wink:
Title: Best I could do
Post by: rha celt on September 17, 2005, 02:29:54 PM
I just posted the last of my reports. I tried all night to get one more massacre but alas no luck. I was able to add a couple against empire because I was just using 1500 points so I could let my neighbor use the rest of my empire army. Over all, win or lose, great job every body. I have played more games in the last 6 weeks than I have in the last year. This campaign has rejuvenated some old gamers and for that I say a big thankyou.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: LizardKing on September 17, 2005, 03:15:56 PM
I just posted a massacre V Empire with our list to brustenbruck....hope it helps. Well fouight everyone.


-Pete
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 17, 2005, 03:36:15 PM
It does LizardKing.

I am not sure if the Talas have much left to post - some of their guys have used their 4 posts and some haven't.................


I have tried to update Rorrak's Standings Thread as best I can and I think we are in front now at Brustenbruck by 1900 points.

Let's just keep stuff going to Brustenbruck for now - if there is anyone on our side still out there with stuff to post.

JMAN if you read this - have you seen your email note above!!!
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: jmanwarhammer on September 17, 2005, 04:17:24 PM
The post about contacting the Stirlanders? What about it, if it was the grammar my mother needed to us the phone so I had to rush it. I went back and fixed it shortly before you posted. If it's about my E-Mail I fixed that awhile ago, I had it set to "aol" rather than "yahoo".
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Guvnor on September 17, 2005, 05:04:02 PM
Okay have a solid against tala, used list and scenarios, where does it go???
Oh and a minor, undead.
I have 5 mins so if there is no reply i'll go to brustenbruck!  :-D

EDIT: Have now posted don't worry.

Hope 4 the best!:):):):)
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 17, 2005, 11:05:37 PM
@Jman - yes, it was your email address - I wasn't sure if you'd fixed it?

@Guvnor - Perfect, staved off a late rally by the Talas - I make it 18950 for us and 16650  to them, so we are now 2300 ahead..........

...now where the hell is the 'tallyman' when you need him???
 :wink:  :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Guvnor on September 18, 2005, 02:51:59 PM
Cheers, I thought i might be a bit late there, didn't know what time calvin was on. Hey it looks good! :-D
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Middenland_is_Okay on September 18, 2005, 03:13:18 PM
Midaski, did you say you planned that by email? Did not G. Helstrom say the campaign planning must be conducted entirely on these boards? If not, I apologize, but I thought we were only allowed to remind people of the campaign by email, and nothing else.
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Calvin on September 18, 2005, 03:19:52 PM
I don’t see the harm in emailing someone on your own team…

The ban is on fraternizing with the enemy ;-)
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Midaski on September 18, 2005, 04:01:15 PM
Quote from: Middenland_is_Okay
Midaski, did you say you planned that by email? Did not G. Helstrom say the campaign planning must be conducted entirely on these boards? If not, I apologize, but I thought we were only allowed to remind people of the campaign by email, and nothing else.


As I understood it there was to be no emailing the enemy.

So there could not be the 'alliances' that Stirland kept insinuating were happening.

Emailing our own 'troops' who were signed up to our faction was I believe perfectly acceptable, and I sent a few 'where are you' email circulars around, which actually got some responses and a few reports we may not have got.

One of the advantages of my being a Mod, is that I could look at the signed up members for EACH faction in the usergroups section.

We had 48 signed up members in the end - 9 of which have ZERO posts.

Stirland had 42, with 4 Zero posters, and the Talas had 23 members with only 1 Zero post member.
With Zero posts there was no way for me as a mod to email them, [only Admins can access those emails] so it was impossible to get them involved, see if they were intending to get involved but had stopped waiting for things to get going, or check who they might be.
 :wink:
Title: 9th and FINAL Round
Post by: Middenland_is_Okay on September 18, 2005, 04:41:24 PM
Ok, just checking, I got confused.