Topic: 40K

[Irisado]

Well, I only just saw it.

What were you doing all this time to have avoided seeing that eye sore?  I was trying to avoid reading Grey Knight rumour information, yet still managed to see that overgrown ape weeks ago.

I can't decide if it's goofy in a good way or in a bad way.

It's an insult to The Librarian (no, not the Space Marine one  ), and resurrects Roddy McDowall from the dead.  Does that help you to form a conclusion  ?

[McKnight]

I have refound my love for the Air cavalry theme for Imperial guard.

Well, thats actually wrong, I never lost it. But various Vietnam war movies (mostly apocalypse now) have brought it into my interest again.

So now Im wondering how to make a decent list to resemble them. I have always gone mechanized because its safe and tough.
I was thinking some gound troops, some airborne veterans and company commander, and some heavy support to cover the troops (hydras, griffons and bassilisks). I like the idea of having artillery coming in to protect the infantry.

My main problem is the flyers. The valkyries are good to carry troops because of their s4 missiles, so are fast, but other than that, useless. Vendettas are awesome, but wont move much, so wont be used for troop transport.

Im also thinking Straken should be the leader of this Air Cav company. I've always like him.

My 1750pts draft looks like this:
HQ:
Company command: Straken, medic, 3 plasmas
Troops:
Infantry platoon: 1 cmd, 3 squads
Command: 4 meltas
1st squad: 1 grenade launcher, 1 Heavy bolter
2nd squad: Power weapon on sarge, Commissar with PW, nade launcher
3rd squad: Power weapon on sarge, nade launcher

1st Veteran squad. 6 shotguns, 3meltas
2nd Veteran squad. 3 plasmas, Sergeant Bastogne

Fast:
2 Valkyries. Missile pods.
1 Vendetta
1 Vendetta

Heavy:
2 Hydras
2 Griffons
1 Bassilisk

The plan would be:
The veteran squads mount in the two valkyries, while Straken the CO will mount in a vendetta. Using the scout move of the flyers, these guys should be able to get into a good position and the vendetta should still be able to fire all of its guns in turn 1.
Straken can then giver orders to the melta veterans and himself and then Bastogne can give orders to his own squad. This should be able to hurt stuff. Especially if the meltas and vendettas are able to open stuff.
If the enemy gets a charge of, then Straken will give the guys Counter attack.

The infantry is there to stay put and hold objectives and maybe support.

Fluffwise. Straken is this awesome colonel from Apocalypse now and Bastogne is this Master sergeant from We were soldiers
One thing I dont like is the lack of men.

[Immovable Object]

Someone had to do this sooner or later and it turns out it was sooner. Someone has made a Dread Knight looted by Orks. Scroll down to the final few pictures for the model nearing completion.

http://warhammer.org.uk/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=85527

[McKnight]

I saw an even better one somewhere

[phillyt]

That air cavalry army would have some real issues if that first round of shooting fails.  Those Vendetta will end up hanging out a little far and you are right, it is really lacking in infantry.

But if it starts rolling, that is a very, very nasty list at 1750!

Phil

[McKnight]

Yes I know. It initially had a fourth inf squad, but it was cut out, together with 3 autocannons.

It doesnt have to be offensive. If I don't get the first turn, then the army will just be counter assaulting and on the defensive. It has enough shooting for that.

But I have to try it out! :O

[Aldaris]

Going to a 40K tournament the weekend after this one - 5 games, 2000 points. I'll take my CSM, and I am considering using this list:
(Just finshed my first session with an airbrush, painting up some Rhinos...)

***************  1 HQ  ***************

Demon Prince
- Wings
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Warptime
- Chaos Wind
 - - - > 205

***************  2 Elite  ***************

5 Chaos Terminators
- 1 x Chain fist
- 2 x Kombi-Melter
- 2 x Kombi-Plasma
- 1 x Heavy Flamer
 - - - > 190

6 Chosen Chaos Space Marines (outflanking)
- 1 x Power Fist
- 4 x Melter
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 208


***************  4 Standard  ***************

7 Chaos Space Marines
- Icon of Chaos Glory
- Melter
+ Aspiring Champion
   - Kombi-Melter
   - Power Fist
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 210

7 Chaos Space Marines
- Icon of Chaos Glory
- Melter
+ Aspiring Champion
   - Kombi-Melter
   - Power Fist
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 210

7 Chaos Space Marines
- Icon of Chaos Glory
- Plasma Gun
+ Aspiring Champion
   - Kombi-Plasma
   - Power Weapon
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 205

8 Khorne Berzerkers (ride in Land Raider)
+ Skull Champion
   - Power Fist
 - - - > 208

***************  3 Heavy Support ***************

Chaos Land Raider
- Demonic Posession
 - - - > 240

Defiler
- Battlecannon
- Heavy Flamer
- DCCW
 - - - > 150

5 Chaos Space Marines Havocs
- 4 x Plasma Guns
+ - Chaos Rhino
 - - - > 170

1996

[Fandir Nightshade]

I wish you luck and well I was on the receiving end of that list. I think you strike a good balanced army.

The list is not extremely powerful but you play it well so I hope you make it in the top 5.

[Aldaris]

It's not the exact same list I took against you - the raptors are gone and the lesser demons are gone, and for that I've got an extra squad of 7 marines with PF and double melta and the chosen. A good swap I think.

As for placements, well - the last two times I took my CSM to tournaments have been 3rd and 4th place respectively, so we'll see.
 

[McKnight]

Lots of special weapons on tough marines, I like!

Tell us how it goes

[Novogord]

And some pictures of these Aldaris

McKnight: You have a lot of armor, so that would counter the lack of men. Many marry men, isn't always good (they can't kill that much). The real hitting power with IG are the tanks and planes.

[McKnight]

Oh yes i know, but i lack some tough armour, like the russes. I havent had the chance to try it yet, but I did get a 2000pts game in against a 1k pts deathwing and 1k pts og guard army.

That is some hefty stuff to go against with my grey knights. I was outgunned and outranged by the IG while the deathwing was assault termies, luckily not all with storm shields. It ended with a victory to them with one objective, a really exciting match!

[Generalisimo]

What would you suggest to an ork player to use against a Grey Knights army?

[McKnight]

Shoot purifiers.
Assault strike squads.

Hmm in general, they die as easily as marines, so shooting would bring them down easily.
One of their disadvantages lie in their small numbers. Also the strike squads' numbers of attacks, they are few and Orks should easily overcome them.
Termies have bad invul save in CC, they will most likely have halberds, so powerclaws are nice.

Grey knights lack long range firepower (Only the dakka dread is there) but will dessimate orks within 24". So tranports and long range support is essential. Soften them up and then engage.

[Shadowlord]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlXxWmAKU30

[GamesPoet]

Obvously they've heard of 40k in China.

The singing was less than desireable.

[Fandir Nightshade]

Now I remember why I don´t like to play Marines.....they look silly.

[rufus sparkfire]

40K question!

Say you have a grey knights army with an inquisitor. Can you include imperial guard squads too? I think you used to be able to with the old army list, but I'm not sure about the new one.

[Feanor Fire Heart]

40K question!

Say you have a grey knights army with an inquisitor. Can you include imperial guard squads too? I think you used to be able to with the old army list, but I'm not sure about the new one.

old rule book you can but only troops and maybe 1 from fast attack, 1 from elite, and one from HQ but you have to at least have a troops option.  It works the other way around too using DH or WH as auxillarys for IG.  As for the new rules, unfortuantley I havnt had a chance to look at the new army book and army builder recently screwed me out of making lists so I dont know.

[Aldaris]

40K question!

Say you have a grey knights army with an inquisitor. Can you include imperial guard squads too? I think you used to be able to with the old army list, but I'm not sure about the new one.

Kind of. If you take an Inquisitor you can buy him a squad of "Inquisitorial Retinue" - up to 12 dudes with IG Guardsmen stats for pretty cheap. The downside? They can't have the standard lasgun. An oversight perhaps, but there it is. They come standard with laspistol and ccw and can be given all kinds of guns - from stormtrooper AP3 lasguns over bolters to stormbolters.

They are limited to 1 squad per Inquisitor though - except if you take Coteaz, they become standard and you can take up to six.

[rufus sparkfire]

Well that's no use at all.

I just want normal guardsmen! But not a full army of imperial guard, because I don't like the tanks and I don't want ten million miniatures.


Wait, you said they could have stormtrooper lasguns? That could work, since they look the same as normal lasguns.

[Feanor Fire Heart]

yeah, make them grenadiers.   If you go guardsman as an army option you do not have to get tanks.

[Fandir Nightshade]

Valkyries = no Tanks

Valkyries = Aweseome = many €

Veterans = Guardsmen with laserguns = half a million models

[rufus sparkfire]

Valkyries are too big. I like the model, but I don't want to paint one.

I want grey knights and some imperial guardsmen. Also I like chimeras and rhinos, just not any of the proper tanks.

[GamesPoet]

Its easier to paint when you use a spray can.