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Offline ZeroTwentythree

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WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« on: November 03, 2011, 02:03:52 PM »
I've decided to start a new project. I've played Blue Max & Canvas eagles for many (many) years, but I've decided to build my own collection of planes and accessories.

What is Blue Max/Canvas Eagles? Well...

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Blue Max/Canvas Eagles is a fast paced multi-player World War I (1914 - 1918) aerial combat game that is played on a hex game mat. Each game depicts a single dogfight in which each player controls a single aircraft, and attempts to shoot down as many enemy planes as possible without being shot down themselves. There is no limit to the number of players that can play in a single game.

Blue Max/Canvas Eagles is played on a hex grid game mat, with the players, using an aircrfat maneuver chart decide which maneuver their aircraft will perform on the following move. After all players have decided their moves, all the aircraft are moved simultaneously on the game mat. Players can shoot at another plane only if the enemy aircraft is within their fire arc at a maximum distance of 3 hexes. The game rules are very simple with most being contained within the game components used for game play. Referencing the rules manual is rarely necessary. After playing a few games, you can start using the campaign rules, which adds more fun to the game.

It's a fun game, easy to learn, and great for a group of players. The rules are also free (at web site above.) We recently played, some photos are posted on my gaming blog.

I am going with the scale my friend, who usually hosts games, uses: 1/72. The kits are fairly inexpensive, but more detailed than 1/144. I've got a few already, and more in the mail right now.


So here's my first plane assembled, a Sopwith Pup. It's an old Airfix kit. I thought I would try assembling the whole thing first, then painting. In hindsight, I should have left the pilot out and painted him separately. But this is the first plastic non-GW or gaming-specific kit I've done since I was a kid, so I was just following the instructions.



It was a little trickier than I thought. The cross-piece for the landing gear was missing, so I used brass rod and had to guess at the length. The upper wing was a pain in the ass to attach, as all its held on with are the struts connecting to the lower wing. But it turned out OK for a first try. I need to touch up the engine cowling a bit with some filing and maybe a bit of putty.

Unlike some of the other planes, this one is probably not going to be terribly interesting to paint.

I just cracked open what may be the next plane, a Fokker DR.1. It's another Airfix, but the quality is horrible compared to the Pup.



I probably won't maintain a painting/project log for this here, but I will continue to post everything on my gaming blog: http://zerotwentythree.blogspot.com/


Offline Midaski

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2011, 10:12:20 PM »
Oh that takes me back - I built Airfix WWI kits as a lad at around 10 years old and upwards, and my bedroom ceiling was painted dark blue and the walls were light blue, and the planes were hung from the ceiling on cotton in dogfight poses .................

Back then I painted all my models - humbrol and applied the transfers.

We're talking 50 years ago ................. and they're still making the same kits.

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Offline ZeroTwentythree

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2011, 11:32:38 PM »
When I was a kid, I built contemporary (at that time -- late 70's early 80's) jets. Eventually my tastes devolved to the era of plans made of wood and linen flown by men with balls of steel.

(Hrm... maybe if I give out awards at convention games, I will create an "iron balls" medal instead of an iron cross...)

As far as these kits, the Pup is a pretty decent kit. The Fokker DR.1, on the other hand, is a little soft  & blobby, and lacks cockpit details. Not even a seat for the pilot!

Offline Badwolf

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2011, 12:00:04 PM »
Ahh, kindred spirits. 1/72 WW1 was always my bag too. I still have at least a dozen unbuilt kits stowed away somewhere.

Aifix and Revell kits are often mediocre at best compared to modern kits. As Midaski points out, they're still using decades old tooling.

Eduard and Roden kits are really nicely detailed and generally not too expensive. (Evilbay). Some of the lesser known aircraft of the war will probably be a pain to find at a good price; I waited for ages for a Caproni Ca.3 to appear on ebay only to find that a lot of other people had too.

Offline Cannonofdoom

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2011, 12:35:33 PM »
The only airplane kit I ever built was a Sopwith Camel. My first real video game was Red Baron. :)
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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2011, 04:32:37 PM »
Ahh, kindred spirits. 1/72 WW1 was always my bag too.

I had started picking up some 28mm infantry at one point, but gave up on it. In the short time (week) I've jumped into this project, I've already started looking at 1/72 plastics infantry.


Some of the lesser known aircraft of the war will probably be a pain to find at a good price; I waited for ages for a Caproni Ca.3 to appear on ebay only to find that a lot of other people had too.





Caproni photos from the Wright-Patterson Air Force Museum, about 3.5 hour drive from my home. I'm considering driving down there again as a birthday present to myself next month.

I have noticed that there are some unexpectedly easy to get planes as well. Ebay is flush with Gotha bombers at reasonable prices. I'm thinking about getting one to work on once I've got a bit of practice with these other planes.


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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #6 on: November 05, 2011, 08:03:45 PM »
My great grandfather worked for Glen Curtiss building these:

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2011, 01:59:51 AM »
There's one of those in the batch of Allied models I've got coming in the mail. Not sure how soon it will be built, though, AFAIK it was only used as a trainer here in the US, never as a combat plane.

They have a JN4 Jenny at the museum as well!

It's suspended from the ceiling, in the upper right of the first photo, and I think that's it in the background (left) of the second photo.






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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2011, 05:36:35 AM »
AFAIK it was only used as a trainer here in the US, never as a combat plane.

Correct, and then later as a mail plane.
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Offline Uryens de Crux

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2011, 11:58:34 AM »
Ah im another one who loved WW1 airfix :D I just also loved WW2 RAF (my first kit ever was a De Haviland Misquito)
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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2011, 02:12:49 PM »
http://www.loehle.com/JennyKit.htm

How about a 1:1 scale working Jenny kit.    :lol:




Offline Badwolf

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2011, 06:00:08 PM »
You've got some great pics there 023. I thought I could recognise most WW1 aircraft but that wing-warper in the last pic threw me completely. A bit of googling found this: http://www.wwiaviation.com/popup/bleriot-xi.html. Is this the same one?

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2011, 05:49:59 AM »
That's OK, I took the photo and couldn't remember/identify it either.

But it looks like you are correct. Here's the story behind that particular plane at the museum:

http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/factsheets/factsheet.asp?id=267


Offline Mathi Alfblut

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2011, 06:05:09 PM »
Ah, I had a fun game called Red Baron from Avalon Hill. And I have a new card based on WWI air war. I am considering getting into WWI aircraft modelling to. Should be fun!
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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2011, 05:37:11 AM »
The original Red Baron game from Dynamix:



It's on abandonia: http://www.abandonia.com/games/309/RedBaron

I used to play that game for hours and hours and hours.
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Offline von Bildhofen

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 10:02:06 AM »
That Red Baron game was really awsome.

Looking forward to see more sky battles 023

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2011, 02:37:03 PM »


Was talking with a friend about Werner Voss' last (insane) dogfight. He told me about a TV show, which I then had to look up on Youtube...


http://youtu.be/FAKRvpBgdtw



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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2011, 05:50:22 PM »
 :::cheers:::

thanks for posting those pics from the Air Force Museum...I've been there countless time and loved every visit.  A good portion of my love of military history stems from my visits to that museum.  I'm from Beavercreek OH about 20 min away.

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« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2011, 06:36:03 PM »


Was talking with a friend about Werner Voss' last (insane) dogfight. He told me about a TV show, which I then had to look up on Youtube...


http://youtu.be/FAKRvpBgdtw

Good find!   :happy:
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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2011, 01:51:19 AM »
thanks for posting those pics from the Air Force Museum...I've been there countless time and loved every visit.  A good portion of my love of military history stems from my visits to that museum.  I'm from Beavercreek OH about 20 min away.


Thanks. The pics are from two years ago. I am hoping to go down there (and spend more time this trip -- too many things going on last time) either the first or second weekend of December (my birthday is the 7th.)

I made a folder & uploaded some more of the better photos for anyone who cares to look: http://s11.photobucket.com/albums/a195/ZeroTwentythree/WWI/wpafm09/

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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2011, 07:58:38 PM »
Ah, Werner Voss and his last epic fight! He was one of them old school early war aces. There was one insane brit, or wad he canadian? Whatever, he was nuts and was only downed in the end by the Red baron himself. He used to fly around shooting down his enemieswith a single shot hunting rifle, nailing their engines!
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Re: WWI Battles -- In the Sky!
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2011, 11:44:28 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: November 10, 2011, 05:23:58 AM »
Ah, how about movies fellas? I think the two ultimate ones are Blue Max and Aces high.
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« Reply #23 on: November 10, 2011, 05:26:56 AM »
Ah, how about movies fellas? I think the two ultimate ones are Blue Max and Aces high.

I think Red Baron (german film) was so/so. I liked Fly Boys.
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« Reply #24 on: November 10, 2011, 05:50:42 AM »