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« Reply #700 on: December 09, 2022, 06:17:51 PM »
The guns could be changing hands on the way up to Canada.
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« Reply #701 on: December 09, 2022, 06:27:55 PM »
The guns could be changing hands on the way up to Canada.

This is true. However it is often the same types of people who are exchanging these guns. That is, the weak, vulnerable, tricked and desperate. Not hardened criminals. 

Take for example the story of William Rainville. A man so gullible he was tricked in to smuggling over 200 handgun lowers in to Canada, by a friend who owed him money when things were not going well in his life.

Those hardened criminals are not dumb enough to risk themselves if they have the option. Matter of fact one operation has started to use drones.
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« Reply #702 on: December 10, 2022, 01:51:38 PM »
Ha now videos on the Canadian weapon ban is showing up in my YouTube suggestion feed.

https://youtu.be/YU93gKKDM_s

Never heard of her before but she seems pretty well educated on it all.

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« Reply #703 on: December 10, 2022, 02:52:06 PM »
Oh yes, looking at her videos she certainly seems very reasonable…

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« Reply #704 on: December 10, 2022, 07:05:42 PM »
I didn’t even look at her other vids till you mentioned it and holy crap I remember watching her South Africa vids years ago. I didn’t put the two together before.

Even still the gun vid seemed accurate.

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« Reply #705 on: December 10, 2022, 09:36:17 PM »
The late addition of the laws seem to track.  I haven’t had time to dove in too deep yet.
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« Reply #706 on: December 11, 2022, 12:17:37 AM »


This what an IZH 18 looks like by the way. This one isn't mine, but it's the same.
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« Reply #707 on: December 19, 2022, 11:17:11 AM »
Hey there!

So things heav heated up in parliament to the point that Bill C21 (the bills that's causing all this mess) has been tabled until next year. Pretty much everyone in the mainstream parties (with the exception of the Liberals and Bloc) is showing concern over this thing's new amendment (the thing I mentioned earlier that bans guns like the SKS).

Will this make a difference?

No, but it's still nice to see some decent.

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« Reply #708 on: December 19, 2022, 12:05:31 PM »
Congrats, and hope it changes things up a bit. :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
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« Reply #709 on: December 24, 2022, 09:23:01 AM »
We live in a weird and funny world when liberals are banning the Serbu Butt Master...
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« Reply #710 on: December 27, 2022, 04:13:01 PM »
Hey there!

So things heav heated up in parliament to the point that Bill C21 (the bills that's causing all this mess) has been tabled until next year. Pretty much everyone in the mainstream parties (with the exception of the Liberals and Bloc) is showing concern over this thing's new amendment (the thing I mentioned earlier that bans guns like the SKS).

Will this make a difference?

No, but it's still nice to see some decent.

So do you think its that ban list where they specifically named certain firearms that they snuck in late that is causing the issue?

I agree with tabling it. This stuff has to be done slowly and with compromise. It seems this was being pushed through as quickly as possible before too many questions could be answered.

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« Reply #711 on: December 27, 2022, 05:57:47 PM »
Hey there!

So things heav heated up in parliament to the point that Bill C21 (the bills that's causing all this mess) has been tabled until next year. Pretty much everyone in the mainstream parties (with the exception of the Liberals and Bloc) is showing concern over this thing's new amendment (the thing I mentioned earlier that bans guns like the SKS).

Will this make a difference?

No, but it's still nice to see some decent.

So do you think its that ban list where they specifically named certain firearms that they snuck in late that is causing the issue?

I agree with tabling it. This stuff has to be done slowly and with compromise. It seems this was being pushed through as quickly as possible before too many questions could be answered.

1. Yes. Especially guns like the SKS, which are used by indigenous subsistence hunters, being on the list.

2. *Shrugs* Sure, but you have to remember something important. Canadians (especially urbanites) don't care about the facts and logic of the issue. They only care about the "image" of guns (more specifically the negatives) and their impact on the "nice", "wholesome", "sweet culture" of Canada.

By getting rid of firearms (and therefore firearms owners) Canada is made more pure and "not American" (and less indigenous friendly, and thus more white centric). I have had this conversation so many times that I have noticed the above pattern. "We're not Americans, couldn't be more different" is the rallying call of the gun control advocates here and ultimately what the argument boils down to for the average Canadian.

You guys are used as the boogeyman up here, as the arch nemesis of "civilized" society. The enemy of "politeness", "decency" and "human dignity". We (or at least I) was bombarded with this propaganda since birth, it's inescapable and total. You are denigrated and mocked in our media, seen as less than. This bill would not have gone anywhere if that weren't the case. It's what it's built on. Owning a gun, defending gun owners, or even suggesting that gun owners be treated with the same respect as other Canadians will get you disbelieving scorn at best and accusations of being a foreign agent (that is American) at worst.

I'm the enemy here (regardless of my mostly leftist opinions), all gun owners are. No matter their origins, political beliefs, faith or lack there of. Make no mistake, the longer America continues not having it's act together on gun violence, the more we (that is gun owners) up here will be suppressed. Because remember, we're Americans in sheep's clothing, I have actually seen calls for us to be deported (somehow) to the US.

Anyway, sorry for the rant. But yes, it's good it's been temporarily tabled until next year, but it's getting forced through regardless. 
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« Reply #712 on: January 26, 2023, 08:10:54 PM »
So the conversation is to resume on February 3rd. My prediction is that Bill C21 will be passed without much resistance.

Hatred for gun owners is on the rise in Canada atm, and it's likely another bill will follow this one up.

 
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« Reply #713 on: February 03, 2023, 06:03:43 PM »
HOLY SHIT the push back seems to have actually worked the amendments to Bill C21 seem to have been withdrawn!?  :Ohmy:

Could it be that some of my hope is restored...?
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« Reply #714 on: February 03, 2023, 06:07:24 PM »
I don't know, although it is enjoyable to read the updates, thank you! :icon_cool: :::cheers:::
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« Reply #715 on: February 03, 2023, 06:16:57 PM »
Just so we are clear, the amendments to Bill C21 would have made guns like these Joseph Lang 8 gauge guns illegal. 


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« Reply #716 on: February 03, 2023, 06:30:01 PM »
I see its a shotgun but why? What are the accessories in the upper left?

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« Reply #717 on: February 03, 2023, 06:52:34 PM »
I see its a shotgun but why? What are the accessories in the upper left?

The amendments included a 20mm bore prohibition. 8 gauge shotguns like the ones above are/were over that limit.
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« Reply #718 on: February 18, 2023, 04:51:25 PM »
I can’t see too many people using an 8 gauge for criminal activity.

Meanwhile I just got three suppressor stamps back.  Had a blast last week running a bunch of post samples using someone else’s ammo.  Full auto is infectious and expensive.
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« Reply #719 on: February 18, 2023, 08:51:28 PM »
I can’t see too many people using an 8 gauge for criminal activity.

It's not that. 8 Guage guns are over 20mm in bore, which is the calcification of a "small canon" in military service. Therefore they would be treated the same 20mm anti-tank & anti-air craft guns.

Remember, anything that is remotely "military" (including 12 Guage) is under threat to be banned here. Repeating firearms too, but only the crazies go for that.
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« Reply #720 on: February 24, 2023, 09:43:03 AM »
Soviet Smoothbore Guns

For Soviet hunters, the practice was relatively simple. Join the national hunting club, get educated on the topic,  obtain a gun, then start hunting. The issue wasn't so much with whether you we're allowed to hunt or not. But rather dearth of firearms options.

See even by 1921 it was becoming clear, glaringly obvious in fact, that the USSR was hell bent against the peasantry and rural people in general. As per the Bolshevik's strict adherence to mainstream Marxism's anti-peasant policies, with remain a fixture of the ideology to this day.

General disarmament campaigns against the rural folk of the former Empire saw pistol ownership amongst the people become effectively extinct. By the Stalin Era just a few years later, civilian ownership of repeating firearms, let alone rifles was basically unheard of.

That being said, hunting was an encouraged practice. Clear through from Stalin times, all the way up until the civil unrest of the 80's when civilian ownership of firearms was banned.

So then that raises a question. What did hunters in the USSR hunt with? Well, smoothbore guns of course!

Smoothbore guns (also known as shotguns) have been around since the inception of the firearm itself. In this series of articles, I will discuss the limited information we have in the west about this topic and hopefully draw from Russian sources.
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« Reply #721 on: February 24, 2023, 10:31:46 AM »
We will start with the Lenin era. That is 1922-1924.

The first and most obvious guns in use were traditional muzzle loaders. While not modern they were still effective then as they are now. With the rise or rather, re-emergence of traditional blackpowder hunting in the 21st century, I feel it is worth mentioning.

Most of these were probably snaplock guns, a predecessor to flintlocks and a successor to wheellocks. These guns were of course pretty common, as the technology has been around for 350 years by this point in time.

Matter of fact these guns were so common that even in the 30's they were still in use, as seen in the sketch.



Other guns included rifles converted to smoothbore. A process achieved by simply boring out the rifleing.

The first options were converted blackpowder breach loaders.

Such as the Krnka:


(NOTE: This one isn't converted. It's the only really good image of Krnka I could find, even in it's rifle form.)

And the Berdan:


(NOTE 2: This is a conversation.)

16 Gauge was the most popular cartridge to convert too, as 16 was extremely popular globally.


(NOTE 3: 16 Gauge shotshells.)

Other options included converted military rifles of the time.

The most common were Frolov Guns. These were single shotguns just like the ones above. Manufactur of these guns started in 1921. Any modern bolt action rifle appears to have been the basis of these conversions, usually in 32 Gauge, one of the smallest shotgun cartridges available.


(NOTE 4: From top to bottom; A Mosin conversion, a Mauser conversion, and another Mauser conversion. )


(NOTE 5: 32 Gauge shotshells. Image from ShotgunLife)

I have also read that even Winchester 1895 lever actions underwent this process, but I have not seen any pictoral evidence. 
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« Reply #722 on: February 24, 2023, 11:05:51 AM »
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« Reply #723 on: March 05, 2023, 08:27:25 PM »
Went to the range today and had a convo with one of the guys around the counter. I had noticed all the pistol braces were gone and asked about whether the ATF ruling would be challenged. It turns out he is used to be in law enforcement and I asked what he did and he was in Federal Probation. During his time he dealt with many many people convicted on weapons charges who either thought they were doing things right or just didn't know the law. And it wasn't like these were weapons being used in crime, it could be that someone was in a car accident and had the weapon in the car, but it wasn't a legal set up or something and bang - felony and five years in jail. Wish I could recount the convo here but it was interesting. And being in law enforcement, he did not feel comfortable with submitting his own pistol brace set up application for a stamp tax because he did not want to be on a federal registry, so he was just going to rebuild his AR pistol set up to a normal AR.

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Re: The weapons and armour thread
« Reply #724 on: March 05, 2023, 11:46:42 PM »
How come there ain't a Hochland Rifle in here? :-P
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