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Offline Giladis

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Envoy form beyond the Sea
« on: June 04, 2007, 06:49:23 AM »
Salutations Keigh-mon of the Empire!


Many of your "ambasadors" have visited the Twin Thrones and presented your wish of an alliance and I am compeled to respond in order for your people to understand.

Twice in your past we have aided you in stoping the denezies of the northern expanses and you were our allies in those endevours. But the times are changing. Due to the nature of the object you seek to posess you are becoming a threat to the balance in the world and o the forces of light.

Many of you might ask why have we chosen to support Dwarfs, a race we fought one of the most bitterest wars against, over you. The answer is both simple and complex. Long ago Dwarfs and Elves marched togather against the evils of the world and there was no power mortal or immortal that could match our sinergy. Through unfortunate events that we are as much to blame as the dwarfs we fought and brought ruin to our realms. Now after so many years we have come togather once more and through our united strength we are seeking to restore our lost domains.

Though many among your number are noble and wise, your lives are to fleeting and your nation is to unstable for us to allie with you in a way Dwarfs did in the past. While Dwarf might look by when you slaughter among yourself and Elf can't. We would try to interfere to to bring balance and that would cause even more suffering.

Do not be alarmed with lack of support from our race in this quest of yours. We shall not seek to engage you for we will have more important enemies such as children of the dark gods and the un-natural creatures of undeath to fight. But should you attack us or should  the Crown end in your posession and you fail to presentit to either us, Lizardmen or the Dwarfs you will feel the might of Ulthuan upon your land.

A council of greatest Archmages, Rnelords and the Slann has been gathered with a single goal, the undoing of the Crown. None may poesses it not even you.

Stay well and guard against the temptations that the Crown brings and you will have the elven nation as the protector of your people you are unable to guard.

Yours proudly

Admiral Giladis
   


OOC: This is a clarification of the Elven stance towards the Men of the Empire. We will not sign a NAP because the chance of a conflict between our races in this quest is strong and we do not wish to sunder another agreemen. Once in our past we did that and it brought much suffery. Do don't touch us and allow us to do our buissnes and we will not touch you unless you get the crown and fail to diliver it to either member of the alliance (HE-DW-LM).
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 07:11:35 AM »
For I am only a simpte Inquistor of the Curch of Sigmar my opinion in diplomatic ways is not the opinion of the army of General Helstrom. But I have to speak to your proposal Elf.

You say that Humans are weak and easy lured into the rotten path of Chaos. But your whole Race is split in half by the taint of Chaos. Why should we give you the crown for you have also proven that your Race could be tainted by Power. Your arrogance has brought the war of the beard over both your races Dwarf and Elf you both have proven that you are not more or less effected by the chaos....therefore it is my opinion that if either man or elf or dwarf will find the crown that all races of light should attend a counsel what to do. Your time to be the sole guardians of the light are long over....you can't even defend your own island and speak threats to us like a child. Until we fail and misuse the power of the crown you have no right to judge us because your race isn't with faults itself. In any case will the crown be on imperial ground and therefore you would steal it from the Empire if you would just take it without any consens of our ruling Emperor. What would you say if we would start walking over ulthuan taking your magic treasures without asking your permission? What would you say if we landed with armies telling you to hand us over something we want? At the moment you acting like you are already corrupted by the Nemesis Crown disrespecting our honor and our borders.
Therefore good captain I would say you are welcome as guests in our land but not as someone demanding anything from us.
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 08:09:49 AM »
Again, like Fandir, I am not speaking from any official stance from W-E and merely giving my opinion. If I can say I hope you are a false ambassador (as others have impersonated men of the Empire on other forums) as I find your arguments both flawed and incredulous. You speak with a level of arrogance well  over and above that of the Wood elves! I am amazed you even dare speak of unity and fear no threat of invasion as your race would not support a full scale invasion based on questionable rhetoric only to see your fragile lands fall to your corrupted brethren.

I still await an official response from your race and would gladly speak to such a representative, but I will not listen to hollow threats and ignorance!
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 08:14:42 AM »
Hello Veldmere

I am one of the Asur.org HQ you can freely discuss it. I just brought you an IC respons and than posted below OOC that we will not fight you unless you attack us or you end up with the crown and fail to present it to council of elders for disposal.

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 08:55:19 AM »
(IC and personal opinion - I do not speak for the Round Table or any of its members. Also, 'us' refers not to the Empire but to the human race as a whole.)

This is the ancient and revered wisdom of the High Elves? This?

I am filled with incredulity, ambassador Giladis. Was it that long ago that your soldiers bled and died alongside men to save the world from Chaos? Has it been so long that you would forget the sacrifices made by the race of man to stem the tide, for the salvation of all, including your fair isle?

I fear the only explanation for this message is that a foul daemon has possessed our friend elf, and speaks to drive a wedge between us of fear, hatred, pride, and arrogance. The great Teclis, honoured among the High Elves, realised that men were what would become the bulwark against Chaos, and that the fate of the world would eventually rest in our hands. He trusted us enough to teach the corrupting ways of magic, knowing that we would resist as you have.

Was his trust misplaced? Was Teclis wrong to treat men as equals worthy of standing alongside the glittering armies of the High Elves in battle? I say he was not! I say he was right to do so, for he saw in man the potential to become greater than any that have passed before!

We are not children, ambassador Giladis, nor are we fools. The Empire is a nation of dignity and honour, and I for one shall stand alongside it. Do not patronise us - we know better.

And, in the end, you're not so spotless yourself. :-P

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 09:04:49 AM »
'As you said: "we are seeking to restore our lost domains"

I believe most of this land is now in the Empire, or even Bretonnia. My friends, I think this an accidental revelation of the true reason the Dwarfs and Elves seek the Crown. Is this a declaration of war?

I would like to ask one thing: Why do you think we would want to possess such a thing? We are planning to study it merely. After such a period of study if it is evil or unusable then it shall be destroyed as you claim to want.'
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2007, 09:30:21 AM »
*sigh*

They speak words of peace yet will not dicuss any agreement that may limit the potential bloodshed betwen our races.   While the Empire may willingly bend to the requests of the elder races, we will not break.

Konrad Holst


Perhaps (fluff wise) a non-aggression pact can be enacted relating solely to the all Empire lands excluding the region known as the Great Forest (I have one prepared if necessary).  Surely this would be acceptable, and will foster good relations in the future.

Apart from that and despite my previous postings, from a WFB perspective it is good to see all the 'elder races' pulling together for the sake of the campaign.  Good on them.
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2007, 10:02:01 AM »
BUT we should all remember THAT its not we who decide who to fight The Emperor DOSE and if you your not with us you must be our enemy IF you get in the way of the Emperor Karl Franz of course..

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #8 on: June 04, 2007, 10:42:20 AM »
Giladis, I take your point and also wish to point out that if you wish to open negotiations one should never use threats, that will never elicit a positive response as you can see.

I hope that not all the others on Asur.org feel the way you do as our plans when we fing the crown is to form a council to decide what must be done with the crown, through discussion not invasion. I think we all felt your venerable race would be involved in this but if we are only to be met by petulance it may be felt you have nothing to offer as both the other races you mentioned are able to offer practical solutions on how to destroy the object if that is what is decided upon, your presence would be preferable but not essential.

As previously stated these are just my opinions and I do not wish to undo any of the good work done by our envoys to your race.
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2007, 11:04:03 AM »
I believe it is on me to apologise for the not very pleasent introductionary post.

I am one of the Asur.org HQ for the NC and was mistaken that CaptScott have infomed you on the discussion that was held on Asur.org. For that I apologise.

On the matter of the IC post I have tried to reflect the nature of the High Elves, it was only you who have been lucky to talk only to Teclis who is very humble for an elf and thinks highly of you. Much of my response was based on what was allready said on Asur.org and I just jumped to conclusion here and for that I also apologise.

Now I believed that only the OOC notification was the real thing with IC to embelish the post.

As it currently stands High Elfs have no wish to fight you but we can't risk the crown ending in your hands. For that reason we are not inclined for signig a NAP pact because there is a chance we might engage each other and than we would once more be called oathbreakers and that is something we do not want.


Any chance I we have a fresh start  :icon_neutral:

Before we continue I would like to clarfy something to escape future misunderstandings. When writting IC I portray an average elven noble, not Teclis or Finubar who are practicaly only elves thinking humans have any potential beyond being meatshields. An elf deems himself superior to all races, though they do not express it before the Dwarfs to evade another conflict, and in such am anner adress them.

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2007, 11:14:58 AM »
If we did gain the Crown, as we have said elsewhere, we will hold a Council of the Wise:
The Empire;
Bretonnians (probably);
High Elves;
Possibly Wood Elves;
Lizardmen;
Dwarfs (as long as they promise not to invite Vampires).

You will be represented, and I say little point for bloodshed between our races.

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2007, 11:22:57 AM »
Council of the Wise. Hmm

Now think carefully before you answer.

No matter what you might wish to do with the crown the stances of the High Elves, Lizardmen and Dwarfs is set. The only solution is its destruction.

Bretonnians; I am unsure of their call but considering it is a malign artefact made out of pure Wyrdstone they will vote for destruction.

Wood Elves are elves after all an feel that thing is no good so they would say "Destroy it!" as well.

Than we have you whose decision will be made after you study it. The problem is that neither Dwarfs, High Elves or Lizardmen are willing to allow you to study the crown as that would be risking the coruption of those doing the studying.

No if you decide emediately that your choice is the destruction of the crown (I repeate it is made out of pure Wyrdstone) than you have nothing to fear from either High Elves or Lizardmen. The Dwarfs are another problem because they wouldn't even want you touching the cursed thing but through skillful diplomacy maybe even that can be overcome.

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2007, 12:12:03 PM »
Isn't it so that the crown is evil is at the moment pure hearsaying? The Dwarfs won't even tell us what the Intention of the Crown is still they buried it under our lands without warning us of the threat it is. What do the High Elves know about it...or what do they believe to know might be something different that the truth is. A council doesn't make any sense if you won't listen to the other participants and are already set in you decision. If the crown can be destroyed...why didn't the dwarfs destroy it in the first place? If it can be destroyed who tells us that there will come no harm out of the destruction? There are many and more questions on the Nemesis Crown...none of them answered by any of the Elder races....because is your arrogant and harsh view on the matter the problem you need the humans to solve it for.

Anyhow I never want to shed any blood of an elf or a dwarf because we owe both races a lot. Without the help of the elder races man would have perished long ago. But I won't start to crawl in front of the elder races only because I am grateful.

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2007, 12:38:55 PM »
I am General Simon Donnerhertz Rodimutz.  I have been a proponent stronger Elvish ties for quite some.  With The High Elves humanity would already be dead or puppets of Chaos.  The entire world also would be.

OOC:  I am generally pissed off by Dwarf and High Elf choices in this campaign.  I hear that the Asur.Org was told be GW they could not ally with the Empire. What the hell is that?  If true, like good little lapdogs you followed.

Your contingent of Dwarfs and High Elves is going to regret your stance.  If you follow Star Trek, this next set of sentences should hit home.  I am not some Captain Picard, a good little diplomat who sees the value of pacification and treaties.  I'm a Captain Kirk.  If you do wrong, I'm going to go over there and shove a Starship into a very small hole.  I will accept your NAP in fluff.  I and the men here will gladly write no fluff pertaining to any actions against the Good races, High Elves included.

But when the battle time comes and the campaign commences, I am going to lay waste to whatever Dwarf and High Elf force I can.  With extreme prejudice.  The Dwarf and High Elf races of fluff, in my humble opinion, would NOT EVER act like this.  They would not throw aside the Empire as your online communities have.  The Orc And Goblin online community showed us all that you can work against silly GW campaign-forced "fluff" during the SoC.  They wrote what Grimgor should be doing rather than Gav's poor writing - and it was adopted.  The Bretonnians are doing the same in this campaign, they have graciously worked around the Nemesis fluff regarding seizing Imperial lands and have now allied with us. 

Lizardmen are also aiding us to a degree, it should also be mentioned.  But you and the Dwarfs have taken away our dignity and made enemies of us.  This will not be reflected in fluff.  But it will be shown in battle reports and I encourage all Empire Generals to do so.  Also, our online community shall not let these actions be forgotten easily.
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2007, 12:58:53 PM »
Ahhh the Elder races, maybe that term should be considered in terms of age and not wisdom. As Fandir said we are here due to the actions of the Dwarves (or a specific ambitious Dwarf) they have delivered us lies and duplicity even within our short lives and it seems that since the discovery of this bauble the Elves have been just as quick with the lies and duplicity (led entirely by their respective representatives on this forum and others), allying with races prepared to offer alligances to the greenskins and vampires!

I would certainly have supported allying with the Asur but even if in character you probably should have chosen a better representative who, like Teclis, knows how to speak to other races. We have tried to use honour and diplomacy on all forums despite some of the despicable way some of our ambasadors have been treated!

I suggest you send a different ambassador, one who has lived the long life of an elf and actually learned something in that time. There is a difference between haughty and rude, and confident and threatening.
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2007, 01:01:41 PM »
Welcome Giladis.  It is unfortunate that you had to come to these hallowed halls in such a dark time, and that your initial contact was somewhat...unpleasant.

The men here have pride as well.  We will do what we can to curb the sheding of blood between old friends.  But we cannot, and will not, step aside while our homes are in danger.  I understand that you elder races act in a manner in which you see fit, however you cannot speak sweet words in our ears while carying weapons of war.  We cannot allow armed combatants through our lands that have stated they are not supporting us in this campaign.  It is unfortunate that it has come to this, but so be it.  I have tried and tried to speak nobly and truthfully, and I feel as though I have succeeded in that.  However, my heart breaks knowing the stubborn foolishness of the elder races.  We are called weak and rash, yet none of our supposed friends will listen to us during this time.  We will have to show you all that our race is strong, yet again.


No offense taken Giladis.  Sometimes inter forum communication can break down, it's one of those things.  It is discouraging that the course of events has taken us this way, but unfortunately it's what GW has set up.  I will continue to communicate with your forum whenver possible.
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2007, 01:07:49 PM »
Before we continue I would like to clarfy something to escape future misunderstandings. When writting IC I portray an average elven noble, not Teclis or Finubar who are practicaly only elves thinking humans have any potential beyond being meatshields. An elf deems himself superior to all races, though they do not express it before the Dwarfs to evade another conflict, and in such am anner adress them.

That's fair enough; indeed, half the fun is in such role playing, and I can sympathise as my character has tended to be an absolute [expletive]. A cursory glance at how I've been talking with the dwarfs shows that much, though IC my character has more respect for elves, so he phrases 'you insane backstabbing subhumans, get out of my land before you come down with a sudden and deadly case of lance-in-the-gut-itis' rather more politely, especially since there's only an ocean protecting him from them, rather than two mountain ranges and the most powerful nation in the Old World in the case of dwarfs.

So, no offense taken, and please, continue to live up your posts with such IC mannerisms. I/my character is a bit of a human supremacist, and it's nice to see that others can look down on other races as well.

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Than we have you whose decision will be made after you study it. The problem is that neither Dwarfs, High Elves or Lizardmen are willing to allow you to study the crown as that would be risking the coruption of those doing the studying.

Isn't the assumption there that each race would cast a block vote? I don't know how the Empire people here intend to run it, but it could well be weighted, e.g. each Empire elector, the Supreme Patriarch of the Colleges of Magic, the cult leaders of various Old World faiths, each Bretonnian Duke, the lords of all major dwarf holds, whatever Slann are able to come, and so forth, all having a vote. Think Council of Constance, not UN. Or, as I say, I could be completely wrong, but the cynic in me doubts that they would get the Crown only to cheerfully let the dwarf alliance outvote them.

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Isn't it so that the crown is evil is at the moment pure hearsaying?

I did make an argument that it wasn't evil over on the Round Table... there are a few issues with that argument, though.
1/ How reliable is Alaric the Mad? He thought it was evil - is he in a position to make such a judgement? Do his mental issues and obvious bias make his judgement a poor one?
2/ What is the nature of warpstone? Is it solidified Chaos, or merely solidified Warp-stuff? If the latter, then it need not necessarily be evil.
3/ Can warpstone be used safely? Examples such as the skaven and Nagash are controversial at best. Do Clan Skryre and Nagash's rituals indicate that warpstone can be contained and used, or are they too unreliable, or have their judgement clouded?
4/ Even if warpstone is evil, does that mean it cannot be used? Evil artifacts have been successfully used for a good purpose before. The Sword of Khaine wielded by Aenarion is one example, as is Grand Theogonist Kurt III's use of the Liber Mortis. Does this set a valid precedent?

I came out arguing that, if studied, examined, and contained, there is no intrinsic reason why the Crown could not be used for good, despite the obvious risk. To be honest, though, that was probably just taking up the devil's advocate position for the hell of it. Can the Crown be used safely? You can certainly argue that, and it's not immediately nonsensical.

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If the crown can be destroyed...why didn't the dwarfs destroy it in the first place?

Evidently Alaric either thought that he couldn't destroy it, or he wouldn't destroy his own masterwork out of a twisted sense of desire. Be that as it may, the dwarfs as a whole never got it... and as I understand it, all they want is to lock it up and hoard it away, not destroy it.

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2007, 02:34:33 PM »
It is discouraging that the course of events has taken us this way, but unfortunately it's what GW has set up.  I will continue to communicate with your forum whenever possible.

No offense Wiss, but I think you're wrong here. Like the Orcs in SoC, or the Bretonnians now, the fluff can be bent and remade depending on how we as players want it. Just because GW has set it up doesn't mean that we can't try and alter it to how we perceive the game. Or how it should be in our eyes.

Otherwise what is the point in planning out fluff we're going to use. Just because GW did something stupid with your fluff, change the fluff to something intelligent. Elves may be arrogant, but it seems in this respect, that GW far exceeds them.

I don't care if you don't want bloodshed, you came into the Empire as if to war. You are the aggressor, you and your foolish short allies. They turned against us and the old promises before we did anything against them. I thought Elves would have had some intellect and remained our friends and allies. But obviously, you care more for your "Elder Races" then your friends.

We would not have survived the Incursions of Chaos without the help of the Elves. But would you have survived had we fallen? You can claim nothing from helping us, you did it so you would survive. We have sent emissaries and ambassadors to your lands, and yet they have been dishonoured and insulted. The last time that happened to an ally, you lost a crown, I am sure that that will happen this time also.
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2007, 02:53:40 PM »
now that was a nice one...loosing two crowns...he he he also the elves didn't send any help during the great chaos incursion as far as I know Teclis did go because he wanted to ....I thought he acted against orders...also granting the humans the powers of magic.  Three elven wizards...despised by many other elves helped us...not the high elves as race.

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« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2007, 02:55:45 PM »
Well, I do agree with you, Ostermarker, and my statement was a generalization for what has happened overall.  The forums have made their stands based off of what they feel fits in with the fluff.  We can continue to try and talk to our old friends but in the end it gets a bit repetative.  

Now is the time to move forward and work within what we have.  If we can get a NAP that's awesome and will continue to seek at least that, but I will no longer argue of how we're not a fickle, weak race.  I've done so multiple in many forums. :|
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« Reply #20 on: June 04, 2007, 03:13:33 PM »
Ahhhh the old 'fickle and weak' arguement, exactly the coments I faced on all the forums I have approached also!

Still, could be worse, we could be lap dogs to the dwarves. Lets keep trying for the NAP (despite my derogatory remarks about other races!) even if we only get through to a few it will aid us in the long run.
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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #21 on: June 04, 2007, 03:23:08 PM »
Well, I think I have made clear what I think of the elves before. Traitors every one of them, and arrogant, hypocritical ones at that. My enemy's ally is my enemy - nothing more than that.

Besides, how conceited are you to believe that you can destroy the crown with ease? To act as if you are better able to deal with it, when you haven't even seen it, let alone studied it, is unforgivable.

OOC: Personally I'm irritating by both the "win at all costs" nature of the Grand Dwarf Alliance but also of the rather unfluffy nature of the High Elven alliance with them. What ever happened to the War of the Beard and long held grudges. Oh well, at least we will know how noble the Elves are if they end up in an alliance with mercenary Ogres and oath-breaking Dwarfs.

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2007, 03:42:37 PM »
Ok, just for the record, is W-E.com basically going to ignore our campaign obj?  Keep in mind the Emperor wants the crown for study. 

I am kind of disturbed by all this garbage about handing it over to the Lizards and then handing it to the Dwarves and such all for the sake of honoring alliances.  Meanwhile no one is going to cooperate with us unless we turn it over like good little boys and thats only if we don't ask too many questions.

I'd much rather take on all commers for that thing and if we get it, then we can talk instead of begging for scraps.

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Re: Envoy form beyond the Sea
« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2007, 03:48:48 PM »
No, the plan is that it is studied, and then after this we hold a Council of the Wise, at least that's what I think the plan is. We try and see if it is usable for good rather than hastily destroying it with no care for whether it can be used for good.
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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2007, 03:51:03 PM »
I don't think any of us have forgotten the objectives which is principally to protect the Empire. We are consistant in the setting up of a council to help K-F decide what is done with the crown, if it turns out to be good and useful we keep it, if it turns out to be evil we destroy it, if K-F starts growing horns we get worried.
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