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Historical Military Movies ...
« on: September 17, 2020, 08:28:08 AM »
This looks good!

Film clip of the Battle of Texel in 1673 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzOU-CRhDSw

It is called "Michiel De Ruyter", and sometimes internationally labled as "Admiral" ... about a Dutch admiral that some say was the best admiral ever.

And another clip ... the Battle of St. James Day in 1666 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A511io9iS6Y

And another ... the Battle of Scheveningen in 1653 ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nEdDu0KLX2M
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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2020, 10:50:53 AM »
I was telling some school children, literally two days ago, that the sound of the guns carried from the battle of St James' Day all the way to the Palace of Whitehall, 70 miles away! Who'd have thought someone would mention that same (relatively obscure) battle a few days later!
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2020, 11:04:16 AM »
The movie is somewhat 'difficult' for a historian to watch, however. They get bits right, but then you notice massive errors like the English ships carrying Union flags in 1666, 41 years before the Union even occurred! The ships should have had crosses of St George, and even then only as cantons on the 'ancients'!

'Ancient (aka ensign), jack and pendant' were the naval flags - being aft, fore and top respectively. The first had a red cross of St George as a canton, the second was just the cross of St George proper. That jack, of course, became a 'Union Jack' after the Union of 1707.

I never will understand why film makers out such errors. So easy to get right. Indeed, I wholly believe that the film makers often know they are errors, but do it deliberately because they don't think their audiences will understand. They dumb movies down to the point of huge historical inaccuracies, even in petty matters like getting the right flags. They assume stupidity.
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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2020, 12:57:15 PM »
The movie is somewhat 'difficult' for a historian to watch, however. They get bits right, but then you notice massive errors like the English ships carrying Union flags in 1666, 41 years before the Union even occurred! The ships should have had crosses of St George, and even then only as cantons on the 'ancients'!

Don't worry Padre, I watched a clips and thought what the hell is the Union flag doing on a Anglo Dutch War era ships as well.
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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2020, 08:38:11 PM »
I got the dvd and funny fact is that in the menu you can choose 2 different age setting to watch the movie in.
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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2020, 09:53:05 PM »
I find a lot of makers of battle movies get things wrong, and that is a bummer, especially when it wouldn't be tough to get it right.  However, if it is a decently made picture, I still enjoy them.  And some times they motivate me to read more of the history as well.

Just seeing those clips makes me want to read this book ...

https://www.karwansaraypublishers.com/book-pr/books-shop/protagonists-history/deruyter-book.html
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« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2021, 01:05:59 PM »
Vaguely recall posting about a film that was about Dutch naval war battles of the late 1600s, yet can't find where it is.

So until that is located again, decided to start this thread.

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"The Lighthorsemen", and although not a high end film, it is worth viewing ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri4lU5QjbNQ

Here is a clip from a 1940 Australian picture called "40,000 Horsemen" about the same charge ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wncm1og_zi4
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« Reply #7 on: September 01, 2021, 01:37:40 PM »
There are only a few Australian films from the homefront of ww2 as the smaller studios had trouble competing with Hollywood.
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« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2022, 12:57:53 AM »
A dueling scene from the movie called "The Deluge" ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljExTEPNFnM
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« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2023, 01:37:07 AM »
I have not seen this movie, although from this clip ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bndhNbhM7jY

 ... it looks like it might be worth a viewing.
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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2023, 08:26:37 PM »
De Ruyter and Cornelis van Tromp were really, really good. We Swedes got a taste of the dutch in their heyday during the 1650:s and then in the 1670:s when they saved Denmarks bacon. They supported Sweden until we had conquered East Denmark, what today is the swedish provinces of Halland, Skåne and Blekinge. Then they switched sides and backed Denmark.
What they were after was to get rid of Denmarks control over the Öresund (Öre strait) which enabled Denmark to tax shopping passing through.
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« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2023, 02:58:28 PM »
On the subject; i cant watch Braveheart without laughing.
Hard to believe it was once considered the 'best' movie of '95

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« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2023, 03:38:00 PM »
Haven't seen that in so long, although it might be worth another viewing someday.

Besides Mel being Mel ... there was another actor in there that I liked, plus there was Sophia Marceau.

It beat out Apollo 13, Babe, The Postman, and Sense & Sensibility for Best Picture from the Academy.  Also received best director, cinematography, make up, and sound effects editing.
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« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2023, 04:11:17 AM »
What does Casino and Braveheart have in common?
Mel Gibson crushes a man do death with a ball & chain. Joe Pesci crushes a mans head with a vice

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2023, 04:34:24 PM »
Lots of opinions about great duel scenes from film.  Have no idea how accurate this sword fight might be for that era, although here is a duel scene from a movie called "The Deluge", a movie about fighting in Poland during the late Renaissance ...  I've seen the hole movie, and it includes depictions of the Polish Hussars, it's quite good ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb_q8jySiYU
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« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2023, 08:55:15 PM »
A reveiw of another sword fight in a different movie regarding the same late Renaissance era ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImPXMsnc2F4

I have not seen this film, alhtough sounds like it could be worth it.  If I can find the version wiht the subtitles.
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« Reply #16 on: February 21, 2023, 05:01:11 PM »
Although far from being historical, The Alamo is a classic, and here is a clip of some of the battle scenes ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkK7gR_lqVA
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« Reply #17 on: March 24, 2023, 01:41:09 PM »
Here is a clip from an Italian film called "Profession of Arms" which is about the death of Giovanni D'Medici via a cannon ball shot to the leg, the events around his passing, and shows a representation of renaissance warfare ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIi8bRPuKyo

It seems the whole movie can be watched in parts, and with english subtitles possible to turn on with the closed caption feature ... starting here ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZM4HDRK55s&list=PL5mR0PxdNDZ7rlAic_Y5r-4O7LqOqinVn
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« Reply #18 on: March 24, 2023, 10:14:01 PM »
A short film ... "Crossed" ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACBXbJd80a0

Enjoyed seeing the sword fight in this.
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