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Offline KTG17

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Old World Starter
« on: February 23, 2023, 06:21:49 PM »
So I have been loosely following Old World updates, and come across the idea that Bretonnians and Tomb Kings might be in the starter. I don't really think this will be the case as it seems they are focusing on a period with a lot of war going on within the Empire, so I assume they would be in the starter. I have heard it might look like Horus Heresy where they would give you a bunch of units, and it would work as a two player or single player set, since they would be all Empire and you could choose who was what.

What I am surprised about tho, is all the excitement about the idea of Bretonnians and Tomb Kings. I admit I do think its kinda cool ~ crusader-like, but I didn't think these armies were as popular as many of the others. What is the consensus here? If they did release a Bretonnian/Tomb Kings set, would that be exciting?

I also noticed from some of the art, that it seems toned down from some of the earlier, flashier artwork. Like I wouldnt be surprised if they re-released most Orc stuff with just upgrade sprues or something. Which I would be cool with.

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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2023, 04:00:18 AM »
My personal conspiracy theory, is that they're showcasing Bret and Tomb Kings stuff so much because those are two factions currently not represented in Age of Sigmar, and thus possible to draw in either old players who didn't transfer over, or new players who like the look of them and aren't currently in AoS. Elves of various flavours and Empire are in AoS to some degree, enough that models can carry over. But Brets and Tomb Kings are a whole new "demographic" to try and sell people on.

I also highly doubt they'd be in the starter. All the current info suggests a heavy focus on the Empire, and the recent tomb king article is about how tomb kings occasionally come up North for reasons and they have no present intention to write much about whats happening in the south yet. I can see the Horus Heresy idea of a big Empire force that can either be split in two, or combined for one big one. Or perhaps a more classic Empire vs Orc set. It would be pretty popular.

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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2023, 11:02:11 AM »
Not convinced there'll be Brets vs. Tomb Kings in a starter set.  And not having them in W:AoS gives GW reason to at least test the waters with them back in the Old World, yet I find it hard to believe they'd open up with them in a starter box set.  It feels like a bit of a gamble, although certainly would provide some new figures if the lines are being reestablished

As an aside, don't forget that there was an emphasis on Cathay and Kislev back when the whole idea for a return to the Old World first started with GW.  Not that I suspect they'll be in a starter set.

I see value in having Empire as part o a starter set, there's not been much of a focus, if any, on humans for W:AoS.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2023, 03:36:03 PM »
Bretís and Tomb Kings would be a pretty terrible starter if they are legitimate in their desire to bring back fantasy.  They need a human race so maybe Bretís but more likely the empire.  For a bad guy my money is on Orks or chaos.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2023, 05:27:26 PM »
I've now heard that their might be 3 new starter sets for the Old World ...

1.  Empire vs Empire, since there is much emphasis on doing the earlier era from the previous WFB editions.

2.  Tomb Kings vs Bretonians, to get these armies started again.

3.  Kislev vs Cathay, because these are the two new armies.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2023, 05:50:27 PM »
Would Empire v Empire not just end up with everyone having a Empire army twice as large as the starter intended?

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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2023, 06:10:45 PM »
I tend to agree.  It all seems like rumor to me.

My current guess is if they start with only one ... it'll be Cathay vs. Kislev.

I could imagine they would eventually release a starter set with Tomb Kings and Bretonnians, yet I'm not sure how much of a market there would be for these to start off the new Warhammer: The Old World.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #7 on: March 06, 2023, 02:41:04 AM »
Would Empire v Empire not just end up with everyone having a Empire army twice as large as the starter intended?

This is actually the most believable to me, because this is EXACTLY how they do the Horus Heresy starter boxes. And Old World has been frequently compared to the Horus Heresy as a spin off specialist game. The idea behind the box is that you can split it with a buddy and still get "two" armies, OR one person can buy the box and get an extra big force with more diversity of units. Apparently it really does drive mass purchases.

As an example, here's the Battle for Calth boxset they released for HH. Word Bearers Vs Ultramarines.




You can see how the book that comes with the set "splits" them up. Word Bearers get more troops with a heavy support, Ultramarines get troops and elite support. Both get a hero. And yet the only real difference between these kind of models is a paint scheme, which means every Horus Heresy player under the sun bought the box for themselves to supersize their marine army.

I can easily see an "Empire" box set being the exact same. You get a bunch of troops, elites, rare plus 2 heroes. Easily split between two players modeling rival counts, or as one player to make an extra big army.

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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2023, 04:27:18 AM »
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« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2023, 08:40:10 AM »
If the initial starter was Empire vs. Empire, and can see how it might be, I wouldn't complain. :icon_biggrin:
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2023, 11:52:17 AM »
I want Empire vs. Empire, the more Empire figures the better.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2023, 02:16:28 PM »
I always thought it would be cool for 40k if they did a series of starter sets, each incorporating different factions, and maybe part of an escalating campaign. And they wouldn't have to be huge starters, just a taste of each faction with their own unique tutorial scenarios.

Like set 1 - Space Marines vs Orks
set 2 - Eldar vs Chaos
set 3 - Imperial Guard vs Tyranids

That kind of thing.

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« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2023, 03:07:53 PM »
Makes sense to me.

The Empire vs Empire box makes sense if they are focusing on the Empire split in the fluff.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2023, 04:03:24 PM »
With the first release of images for new figures being for Bretonnia and Tomb Kings, my sense this could up the odds on these two being in the first starter set.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2023, 04:50:29 AM »
I never actually had a Bretonnian army. Could be time to get started.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2023, 08:56:22 AM »
I do like the idea of colourful knights and flying knights.

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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2023, 09:34:09 AM »
I'd love to get more Bretonnian stuff personally. 
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #17 on: March 16, 2023, 09:51:38 AM »
New pegasus models could be cool.
Brigands or chainmailed human infantry could be good.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2023, 12:15:00 PM »
I'm thinking for a starter set it's probably going to be Bretonnia vs. Tomb Kings.

However, I could see them doing more than one, although perhaps not all at once, and instead more along the lines of the releases done for Kill Team over time.  Additionally, we could see Kislev vs. Cathay, except with the Brets & TK getting that first photo release of bits, yet K & C probably won't be first.

Plus ... in this article from GW's community page back in October of 2022 ...

 https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/10/14/warhammer-the-old-world-orcs-bretonnians-tomb-kings-arrive/

there was mention of Brest, TK ... Empire & Orcs.  That leads me to think they're more likely to have Empire & Orcs as a possible set than the idea of Empire vs Empire that has sprouted from the Horus Heresy starter set that was released.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2023, 12:26:26 PM »
Dear GW
PLEASE no overly complicated kits that have needlessly fiddly parts that need to be painted seperatly
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2023, 02:25:46 AM »
New militia kits, let's go!

EDIT: Also I admittedly find the concept of a Bretonnian vs TK starter set to be mildly silly. There would be no market value in such a set, nobody is interested in Arthurian and Egyptian mythos these days.

And that pains me to say.
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2023, 10:47:57 AM »
nobody is interested in Arthurian and Egyptian mythos these days.

And that pains me to say.

Oh. That hits pretty hard actually. You are right.
Super heroes and game fantasy is more popular than historical and mythic influences.
Sad really.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2023, 11:36:42 AM »
If Bretonnia and Tomb Kings are in the first starter set, I don't think GW is thinking of this as a way to bring in fans of Authur and Egypt.

My suspicion is that it is more about opening a path for two factions that hadn't been updated back in the day while also having these factions started by others who want to get back to Warhammer thru this new product, and want the rules with figures.

At the same time, if they use a 6th or 7th edition approach to the rules, then they can do a decent sized starter set for game play without the larger sized units of 8th, and in the background they've been doing decently with the multiple, back to back, perhaps annual starter sets of Warcry and Killteam.

My sense is if they do the Bret TK starter set, its for multiple marketing reasons.
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Re: Old World Starter
« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2023, 01:50:22 PM »
[scratches head] When was the last time kids cued to see a Mummy or King Arthur movie?

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« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2023, 01:20:04 AM »
If Bretonnia and Tomb Kings are in the first starter set, I don't think GW is thinking of this as a way to bring in fans of Authur and Egypt.

My suspicion is that it is more about opening a path for two factions that hadn't been updated back in the day while also having these factions started by others who want to get back to Warhammer thru this new product, and want the rules with figures.

At the same time, if they use a 6th or 7th edition approach to the rules, then they can do a decent sized starter set for game play without the larger sized units of 8th, and in the background they've been doing decently with the multiple, back to back, perhaps annual starter sets of Warcry and Killteam.

My sense is if they do the Bret TK starter set, its for multiple marketing reasons.

[scratches head] When was the last time kids cued to see a Mummy or King Arthur movie?

I was just about to say. There is no market for such a set.
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