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Title: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Headbanger on July 30, 2010, 03:42:00 AM
So I've counted 13 provinces. Averland, Talabecland, Wissenland, Nordland, Middenland, Hochland, Ostermark, Ostland, Reikland, Stirland, Drakwald, Solland and Sylvania. I've also heard that there are only 12 runefangs... Are one of these provinces non existent or is it a GW fault in the fluff?  :-o
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Warlord on July 30, 2010, 03:49:16 AM
Some of these provinces no longer exist, or did not warrant an electoral vote.

The last 3 specifically have undergone the most change, as well as Nordland, Stirland and Wissenland to accomodate them.

I'm sure others can break down in a bit more detail for you...
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Otaku on July 30, 2010, 04:26:51 AM
The drakwald was split up long ago and no longer exists. Solland was overrun and destroyed by Orcs. It was Incorporated into Wissenland. Sylvania was taken over by vampires but is technically part of Stirland now. As for the Runefangs, all the electors have one, Kurt Helborg has the Solland Runefang, the other extra sword is in the Imperial vaults.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Spiney on July 30, 2010, 10:42:34 AM
Here are the 12 Provinces which have (or had) runefangs, along with the names of the swords. Note that Drakwald and Solland are destroyed, Solland's runefang was recovered from the body Gorbad Ironclaw and is now kept at Altdorf in the gift of the Emperor to sundry worthy Imperial Champion, the same is presumably true of the drakwald runefang, note that one of these is currently carried by Kurt Helborg (Solland?).

Also its worth mentioning that the Province of Nordland didn't exist at the time the Runefangs were made, so in all probability the Nordland Runefang was originally the Westerland Runefang, the province of Westerland (now called the wasteland on maps) ceased to exist after the secession of Marienburg from the Empire. The Count of Nordland's claim on Marienburg may in fact be based on the fact that he carries the old westerland runefang (speculation).

Sylvania also did not have a runefang because it was not part of the Empire when they were forged, but rather was conquered later.

Rumours that the Stirland Runefang has in fact been sold to Araby to provide new shoes for the elector count may or may not be exaggerated  :icon_lol:

Runefang of Averland - Mothers Ruin
Runefang of Hochland - Goblin Bane
Runefang of Middenland - Legbiter
Runefang of Nordland - Crow Feeder
Runefang of Ostland - Brain Wounder
Runefang of Ostermark - Troll Cleaver
Runefang of Reikland - Dragon Tooth
Runefang of Stirland - Orc Hewer
Runefang of Talabecland - Stone Breaker
Runefang of Wissenland - Blood Bringer
Runefang of Drakwald - Beast Slayer
Runefang of Solland - Grudge Settler
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 30, 2010, 10:50:07 AM
I definitely think the runefangs would be better without ridiculous names. Where on earth did those come from?


Quote from: Spiney
Sylvania also did not have a runefang because it was not part of the Empire when they were forged, but rather was conquered later.

Plus it's never been an electoral province.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Spiney on July 30, 2010, 10:56:53 AM
I definitely think the runefangs would be better without ridiculous names. Where on earth did those come from?


found on Lexicanum, not sure on an official source. Most of them are at least passable, except of course for "brain wounder", thats got to be the worst weapon name in history.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on July 30, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
'Mother's Ruin?' 'Legbiter?' They sound like names for terrible beer.

No thanks!
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Spiney on July 30, 2010, 11:20:19 AM
Most weapons in Fantasy setting have similarly unimaginative names, they just get nicely disguised by translating them into fictional languages, from LotR "Guthwine" = "battle friend" in rohirric, "Orcrist" and "Glamdring" are "Goblin cleaver" and "Foe hammer" respectively, or, even worse, from the Eragon series "Zar'roc" which means "Misery" and "Brisingr", which means "Fire".

Perhaps translating those names into middle german would make them more acceptable
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: draven on July 30, 2010, 11:23:52 AM
I definitely think the runefangs would be better without ridiculous names. Where on earth did those come from?




Not sure if the Runefangs where named before but there was an article in issue 325 of white dwarf that named them.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Inarticulate on July 30, 2010, 11:26:21 AM
Ah, one of the 'new' WDs. Figures.

The Reikland one isn't that bad I reckon.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 30, 2010, 11:56:22 AM
Legbiter, brainwounder? Common you got to be kidding me.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on July 30, 2010, 12:02:11 PM
"Orcrist" and "Glamdring" are "Goblin cleaver" and "Foe hammer" respectively,


I don't think those are too bad. I'd rather have "foe hammer" than "brain wounder."


Brain wounder: for when you don't want to kill your enemies, just leave them bedridden and pissing themselves.

"Leg biter" sounds like a gnoblar runefang.

Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on July 30, 2010, 12:04:03 PM


Brain wounder: for when you don't want to kill your enemies, just leave them bedridden and pissing themselves.


 :biggriin:

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"Leg biter" sounds like a gnoblar runefang.

try perhaps it was actually forged for the moot.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: commandant on July 30, 2010, 12:05:15 PM
Most weapons in Fantasy setting have similarly unimaginative names, they just get nicely disguised by translating them into fictional languages, from LotR "Guthwine" = "battle friend" in rohirric, "Orcrist" and "Glamdring" are "Goblin cleaver" and "Foe hammer" respectively, or, even worse, from the Eragon series "Zar'roc" which means "Misery" and "Brisingr", which means "Fire".

Perhaps translating those names into middle german would make them more acceptable

Of all the names though I read a fanasty once that had a swords called Widowmaker and Foesbane.   Still that is kinda off point.   And wounding your foes is so much better, then somebody has to pay for their upkeep, drain on their resources
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: draven on July 30, 2010, 01:05:54 PM
Ah, one of the 'new' WDs. Figures.


i wouldn't say 325 is a new issue, was printed over 3 years ago, still i agree only a couple of the names seem ok. (the Averland and Nordland names respectively).
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Merrick on July 30, 2010, 01:15:48 PM
I believe they're named in the current Empire army book.

Can't be bothered to check if WD325 was after the book.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Inarticulate on July 30, 2010, 01:21:27 PM
Ah, one of the 'new' WDs. Figures.


i wouldn't say 325 is a new issue, was printed over 3 years ago, still i agree only a couple of the names seem ok. (the Averland and Nordland names respectively).

Anything after 300 is 'new'.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: draven on July 30, 2010, 01:29:57 PM

Anything after 300 is 'new'.
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Fair do's,
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Spiney on July 30, 2010, 01:35:53 PM

Brain wounder: for when you don't want to kill your enemies, just leave them bedridden and pissing themselves.

Sigged, its a long time since a forum post made me cry with laughter  :icon_lol: :icon_lol: :icon_lol:
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on July 30, 2010, 01:46:28 PM
Anything after 300 is 'new'.


Especially for those of us who (vaguely) remember WD66.

Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: patsy02 on July 30, 2010, 02:10:56 PM
Stone Breaker isn't bad, but it sounds like a hammer.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: draven on July 30, 2010, 02:38:11 PM
Anything after 300 is 'new'.


Especially for those of us who (vaguely) remember WD66.




 :Ohmy: making ourselves sound really old here lol, the earlyest issue i have is WD 92, i did see a WD 2 a few months ago but didn't have a spare 25 to buy it :(
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Merrick on July 30, 2010, 02:57:45 PM
I thought Mother's Ruin was a pet name for Shadowlord.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Spiney on July 30, 2010, 03:00:19 PM
I've held a subscription since WD184, but I have a few sporadic issues from before that time. I also bought an issue 50-something on ebay a year or so back because i wanted the Man O war content, it also had a sweet batrep between chaos dwarfs and HE...
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on July 30, 2010, 03:16:13 PM
Stone Breaker isn't bad, but it sounds like a hammer.

Makes me think of the Books of Swords...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelve_Swords_of_Power

(OK, it's Stone Cutter -- close enough.)


I thought Mother's Ruin was a pet name for Shadowlord.

 :eusa_clap:

Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Syn Ace on July 30, 2010, 10:24:35 PM
A lot of them sound Dwarfish, but then again, they were forged by a dwarf (Alaric I think).
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Merrick on July 31, 2010, 06:11:45 AM
Yes, but we was Alaric The Mad for a reason, so for all we know, he could have given them names like 'Narwhal Express' and 'Hairy Bicep'.

This, of course, was before the Elector Counts were uncomfortable with wielding a fearsome blade known as 'Bunny Hewer', so changed the names to something more Dwarfish while Alaric wasn't looking.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Castozor on July 31, 2010, 04:07:34 PM
I reckon that the runefang of Stirland should have been called "Legbiter" even though it was a few 100 (1000?) years later that it was used to chop off another electorcount's leg.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: charles lapointe on August 02, 2010, 04:58:12 PM
I'm assuming the names sound much cooler in thier original Dwarfen.  remember they were crafted there.  Brain wounder is probly just a poor translation from Dwarfen.  Its actual name is something like.  "The Sword Crafted for the Humans to Confound and Frustrate thier foes, as long as they are not Dwarf but better yet if they are Elf or Goblin." which is pronounced.  KluhhLakk.  but the Imperial translation becomes Brain wounder.  ?  no?  well I tried.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on August 02, 2010, 06:21:09 PM
Yes, but we was Alaric The Mad for a reason, so for all we know, he could have given them names like 'Narwhal Express' and 'Hairy Bicep'.

This, of course, was before the Elector Counts were uncomfortable with wielding a fearsome blade known as 'Bunny Hewer', so changed the names to something more Dwarfish while Alaric wasn't looking.

 :Ohmy:  :icon_biggrin:  :eusa_clap:

Nice. So we have the new list:




Runefang of Averland - Mothers Ruin aka Shadowlord
Runefang of Hochland - Goblin Bane aka Hairy Bicep
Runefang of Middenland - Legbiter aka Legbiter
Runefang of Nordland - Crow Feeder aka Narwhal Express
Runefang of Ostland - Brain Wounder aka Savage Watermelon
Runefang of Ostermark - Troll Cleaver aka Bunny Hewer
Runefang of Reikland - Dragon Tooth aka Cheese Weasel
Runefang of Stirland - Orc Hewer aka Katharine Hepburn
Runefang of Talabecland - Stone Breaker aka Triadic Convent
Runefang of Wissenland - Blood Bringer aka Metric Milkshake
Runefang of Drakwald - Beast Slayer aka Urinary Munitions
Runefang of Solland - Grudge Settler aka Salad Wagon


Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Merrick on August 02, 2010, 08:28:46 PM
Whaaat are you on about man?

Everyone knows that he called the Ostland blade 'Savage Watermelon', not 'KluhhLakk'.

'KluhhLakk' is what he named Ghal Maraz before Kurgan Ironbeard gave him a smack and told him to stop being silly.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on August 02, 2010, 08:55:25 PM
Edited for correct madness. I was just working with what charles lapointe gave us, above.

Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Merrick on August 02, 2010, 09:13:26 PM
He's wrong.  :-)
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Mecha Coby on August 04, 2010, 12:24:48 AM
Mothers Ruin is what we call Gin where I live, Is that the same everywhere?

Also Crow Feeder sound like somthing a Baglady would carry to stop people robbing her tesco cart stuffed with crap/abode.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Gneisenau on August 04, 2010, 10:54:46 AM
I definitely think the runefangs would be better without ridiculous names. Where on earth did those come from?


Quote from: Spiney
Sylvania also did not have a runefang because it was not part of the Empire when they were forged, but rather was conquered later.

Plus it's never been an electoral province.

It hasn't? I never noticed that.

Edit: How come you are now visible when visiting the forum?

Most weapons in Fantasy setting have similarly unimaginative names, they just get nicely disguised by translating them into fictional languages, from LotR "Guthwine" = "battle friend" in rohirric, "Orcrist" and "Glamdring" are "Goblin cleaver" and "Foe hammer" respectively, or, even worse, from the Eragon series "Zar'roc" which means "Misery" and "Brisingr", which means "Fire".

Perhaps translating those names into middle german would make them more acceptable

Mentioning LotR and Eragon in the same sentence is like visiting a five-star restaurant in Paris and ordering fried chicken and coke. :icon_wink:
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 04, 2010, 11:29:10 AM
It hasn't? I never noticed that.

Edit: How come you are now visible when visiting the forum?


No, it's never been said that it had an electoral vote. Not even before the vampires took over.


And I am visible because I choose to be!
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: wissenlander on August 04, 2010, 11:53:14 AM
... is like visiting a five-star restaurant in Paris and ordering fried chicken and coke. :icon_wink:

I don't understand the problem here. :unsure:
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Mecha Coby on August 04, 2010, 03:04:03 PM
Ah Eragon. Or as me and my friends call it; Rural Starwars mit Dragon.

Doesn't stop me reading them tho.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Fandir Nightshade on August 04, 2010, 03:35:39 PM
Yes, but we was Alaric The Mad for a reason, so for all we know, he could have given them names like 'Narwhal Express' and 'Hairy Bicep'.

This, of course, was before the Elector Counts were uncomfortable with wielding a fearsome blade known as 'Bunny Hewer', so changed the names to something more Dwarfish while Alaric wasn't looking.

 :Ohmy:  :icon_biggrin:  :eusa_clap:

Nice. So we have the new list:




Runefang of Averland - Mothers Ruin aka Shadowlord
Runefang of Hochland - Goblin Bane aka Hairy Bicep
Runefang of Middenland - Legbiter aka Legbiter
Runefang of Nordland - Crow Feeder aka Narwhal Express
Runefang of Ostland - Brain Wounder aka Savage Watermelon
Runefang of Ostermark - Troll Cleaver aka Bunny Hewer
Runefang of Reikland - Dragon Tooth aka Cheese Weasel
Runefang of Stirland - Orc Hewer aka Katharine Hepburn
Runefang of Talabecland - Stone Breaker aka Triadic Convent
Runefang of Wissenland - Blood Bringer aka Metric Milkshake
Runefang of Drakwald - Beast Slayer aka Urinary Munitions
Runefang of Solland - Grudge Settler aka Salad Wagon

But the Salad Wagon is from Ulthuan....or Middenheim.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Merrick on August 04, 2010, 07:49:44 PM
Solland stole it because they're better than you.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: ZeroTwentythree on August 04, 2010, 08:01:47 PM


I was starting to get sad no noticed the Salad Wagon.


But the Salad Wagon is from Ulthuan....

I think there's an enchantment on all the Runfangs that instantly kills any elf that touches it. Remember who made them...

Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Gneisenau on August 04, 2010, 08:09:48 PM
That would be handy. We could get rid of them by advertising the Runefangs as latest breaktrough in lyra technology or something.
Title: Re: 13 Provinces?
Post by: Cptn. Palladorus on August 08, 2010, 03:35:18 AM
Runefang of Averland - Mothers Ruin aka Shadowlord
Runefang of Hochland - Goblin Bane aka Hairy Bicep
Runefang of Middenland - Legbiter aka Legbiter
Runefang of Nordland - Crow Feeder aka Narwhal Express
Runefang of Ostland - Brain Wounder aka Savage Watermelon
Runefang of Ostermark - Troll Cleaver aka Bunny Hewer
Runefang of Reikland - Dragon Tooth aka Cheese Weasel
Runefang of Stirland - Orc Hewer aka Katharine Hepburn
Runefang of Talabecland - Stone Breaker aka Triadic Convent
Runefang of Wissenland - Blood Bringer aka Metric Milkshake
Runefang of Drakwald - Beast Slayer aka Urinary Munitions
Runefang of Solland - Grudge Settler aka Salad Wagon
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Well done sir.  I laughed so hard that everyone in my building probably thinks some sort of mad scientist lives in my room.
Mothers Ruin is what we call Gin where I live, Is that the same everywhere?
I've never had a special name for it; always just said it tastes like pine trees and regret.