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Title: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Siberius on November 08, 2011, 10:59:32 PM
I've always wanted Blood Bowl, ever since I knew it existed, but now, a combination of a newfound appreciation of American Football and the idea of a smallish self containted game is making me all the more determined...

But I have a few questions.

It seems GW are selling it on their site for $80ish. Not too bad when you compare to many boardgames retailing at $50. How long has the edition they have up there been out? I thought they were kinda moving away from the specialist games. Anyone know their stance right now? Is it a case of selling them and the minis with no plans to update or release new stuff?

Is this the best edition of BB? Would I be better off getting one of the earlier ones if such a thing was possible? I thought at one stage they had put the rules up on the specialist site, but maybe that was just Mordheim and Necro.

OK, that's it off the top of my head. Well, except to ask does it play well? Are there viable alternative ways to try and make plays etc or does it just come down to such and such always works best so you just end up playing the same play every time?
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 08, 2011, 11:17:56 PM
Excellent. (http://i83.photobucket.com/albums/j285/iabhoryou/monty_burns.png)

Alright, the box they sell for $80 comes with a board, a basic orc and a basic human team, all of the dice you need, and all of the templates required. It comes with rules, but they are not the most up to date version. Here is a PDF version of the most updated rules (the ones used in the computer game) http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1310002_BB_Complete_Blood_Bowl_Rulebook.pdf (http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1310002_BB_Complete_Blood_Bowl_Rulebook.pdf)

One of the best ways to learn the game is to play with an experienced player. I would be happy to teach you ;)

If you can get hold of the PC game that's also an okay way to learn using the built in tutorial.

The earlier editions of blood bowl are very hard to find, and usually fairly expensive. The models in the old versions are also not as good as the ones in this box. It's also a blast to convert teams for yourself. I often do this when I want to play a new team.

As for how it plays: There is not a single correct way to win. It is a game of chess in some ways, with the randomness of dice, and skills.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 08, 2011, 11:25:23 PM
Also, they released a new metal human team and Ogre team as early as just a few years ago, and they have updated some of the star players, like the Mighty Zug, Griff Oberwald, and Varag Ghoul Chewer.

If you want a different slant on many of these teams a good place to look is: http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=home (http://www.impactminiatures.com/index.php?option=home)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Finlay on November 08, 2011, 11:27:11 PM
I made a norse team out of a box of marauders, and 2 nazi dog people from the weird world war 2 zombie game which I can't remember what it is called.

Skaven and wood elf teams are good.

But you shouldnt play it as small and self contained, you need to do leagues so people can gain experience and skills.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 08, 2011, 11:31:30 PM
I made a norse team out of a box of marauders, and 2 nazi dog people from the weird world war 2 zombie game which I can't remember what it is called.

Skaven and wood elf teams are good.

But you shouldnt play it as small and self contained, you need to do leagues so people can gain experience and skills.

I have a single friend who loves the game as much as I. We play our own little league just between the two of us, because we both have at least four teams each. I have: Humans, Halflings, Orcs, Elves, and Chaos. He has Goblins, Orcs, Skaven, High Elves, Chaos, and we're going to build him an Ogre team out of fantasy bulls.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on November 09, 2011, 12:12:28 AM
Griff is my all time hero, just for the record  :biggriin:

Thanks for all the info thus far. I am intrigued.. with the rules being downloadable could one potentially build your own pitch and templates and not buy the boxset? (Money is tight!)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 09, 2011, 12:17:17 AM
Griff is my all time hero, just for the record  :biggriin:

Thanks for all the info thus far. I am intrigued.. with the rules being downloadable could one potentially build your own pitch and templates and not buy the boxset? (Money is tight!)

Building your own pitch is not too difficult. You can also build your own turn marker, re-roll counter, and scoreboard. The templates are not REALLY necessary, though they help a lot. The pass template would be the most difficult to replicate, but there is a diagram in the rules to help you simply count spaces rather than needing to use the template. You can use normal dice instead of the provided dice.
1=Attacker Down
2=Both Down
3&4=Defender Pushed
5=Defender Stumbles
6= Defender Down

It's really nice to have all that stuff, but it's not needed.

You will also need roster sheets and match record sheets if you plan on participating in a league.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Finlay on November 09, 2011, 12:26:47 AM
We found this site where someone had made pitch stuff for you to DL, print off, and stick to cardboard to use.

I'll dig it out tomorrow and let you know. Now, it's bed time.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: PhillyT on November 09, 2011, 12:40:08 AM
I would get the video game.  Same game without all the modeling struggles!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 09, 2011, 12:42:31 AM
I would get the video game.  Same game without all the modeling struggles!

Ummm. You just gave a reason NOT to get the video game.

I love the PC game, but if given the choice, I would play the board game every time.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: PhillyT on November 09, 2011, 12:44:05 AM
Bah!  Too many models laying around.  I have no need to get into another model game!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Timbor on November 09, 2011, 02:24:43 AM
We should start up the PC game league again, just so I can kill CoD's norse team again  :engel:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 09, 2011, 02:28:01 AM
We should start up the PC game league again, just so I can kill CoD's norse team again  :engel:

We should make it a non-schedule league so you can just play anyone who is online, and have multiple teams. Make me a league admin, and I can help. I'm on the game a LOT.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Delthos on November 09, 2011, 04:20:25 AM
Unless you build your pitch to the same size as the one that comes with the game, with the same size crosshairs, you can't really use the passing template. You've got to use the square counting method in the latest Living Rulebook version. If you were using 1 1/2" squares to accomodate Big Guys, your Short Passes using the counting method could end up being long bombs using the template. It's the only template that would be really required if you didn't have the square counting method in the rules. The only thing I'd say are really necessary is the dice. It can really be cumborsome to remember what the regular d6 translates to. Fortunately you can get some unofficial versions on eBay. You'll just pay more than they are really worth, but as GW doesn't sell them separately, it's really the only way to get them short of buying the boxed set.

I don't remember the link right now, but there is a sight out there that hosts all of the Specialist Games articles that were available for the game. The GW site only has a small portion of those that were available.

I agree on the League recommendation. It's much more fun that way, you just have to make sure you get a good group of people to play. Lest you end up with a League game between two friends with a Dwarf and a Skaven team played at home where nobody could witness it. The results being the Dwarves win 5 to 3.  Just for your information, it's very difficult for Dwarves to score like that, if not downright impossible. The must have thought the organizer was some kind of idiot to not know what really happened.

Anyway, it's a good game. I just recently picked up a copy of it again as I had sold my previous copy when I just got completely disgusted with about half the people that played in the two store leagues I played in. I wish I hadn't sold it as I didn't get much for it and now I've ended up buying it again. It's one of those sales I knew I'd regret. Now I need to pick up some more teams and round out the teams I have. I've got plans to build my own pitch, but who knows when I'll ever get around to building it. I know it's not necessary, but I had Deathzone and some of the other magazines. I really wish I hadn't sold it...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 09, 2011, 05:38:13 AM
I'm going to be building a custom pitch with the same size squares as the official board; I'll post pictures. Eventually.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Sig on November 09, 2011, 08:28:39 AM
How convertible fluff wise to the 40k universe is it? I'd love to do up a pitch with rowdy ork hooligans throwing stikkbombs instead of flares.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on November 09, 2011, 08:39:56 AM
Think i would definitely want to build my own pitch even if i got the box. I may have to pm someone sometime to see if they can give me some good exact measurements...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 09, 2011, 11:18:50 AM
How convertible fluff wise to the 40k universe is it? I'd love to do up a pitch with rowdy ork hooligans throwing stikkbombs instead of flares.

It's set in the Warhammer Fantasy world. Blood Bowl is basically an alternate reality of WHFB where playing bloodbowl distracts the masses and satisfies the bloodlust that would otherwise lead to war. It's not very compatible with 40k, though using 40k models as a base for your Orcs or Dark Elves is not a bad idea.

Think i would definitely want to build my own pitch even if i got the box. I may have to pm someone sometime to see if they can give me some good exact measurements...

I can get you the measurements.

Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Shadowlord on November 09, 2011, 11:20:00 AM
There a strong rumours of a new BB game next year.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Sig on November 09, 2011, 11:27:46 AM
It's set in the Warhammer Fantasy world. Blood Bowl is basically an alternate reality of WHFB where playing bloodbowl distracts the masses and satisfies the bloodlust that would otherwise lead to war. It's not very compatible with 40k, though using 40k models as a base for your Orcs or Dark Elves is not a bad idea.

Oh, I know what Blood Bowl is, when I started playing GW games they still had copies on the shelves in the stores :D Cheers though, I know I was vague.

I was just wondering, if you substituted the fluff from fantasy with 40k, would you be able to reasonably take the rules over unchanged? See I could totally see a backwater planet where the local corrupt governor runs a "blood bowl" allowing Eldar Corsairs, Ork Freebooters, renegade marines (Chaos?) and other strange aliens (skaven, lizardmen). A lot of the races are analogous between the two systems after all.

What I guess I was really asking was how specifically "fantasy" are the rules - is there a lot of magic and so on, and would there be a way to represent power armour? I'd still love to give a stadium with Ork spectators a go.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 09, 2011, 11:30:46 AM
You don't buy equipment for your models, so I suppose it could translate pretty cleanly to a 40k universe. You are able to purchase the assistance of a wizard, but you can simply deny that, or change it to a grenade or something.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Wolfgang aus Wien on November 09, 2011, 01:02:38 PM
Blood Bowl is one of my favorite games of all time!
One of the great things about nit is that you don't need a whole mess of models to get started, 11 players and a coach gets you in the door, a team of around 20 or so minis is already pretty substantial.
The box (which used to cost $ 40) is 3rd edition, which is as far as BB ever got, anything beyond that were 'update' downloads, Journal articles and house rules on the web.
GW still sells (most) of the teams, and you should be able to find them online various places.
Failing that, converting minis for BB isn't hard, just cut off the weapons, do perhaps a little bit of surgery on the rest - hey presto, a Dwarf Blocker!
It isn't, however, in any way similar to American Football, the game mechanics are much more closely related to Rugby or Soccer.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: wissenlander on November 09, 2011, 02:38:03 PM
Let me know if you do plan on getting into this, Siberius.  We could get in some games and start a Mid Atlantic League or something.  Maybe even get our own team buses or charter planes! 

I have a box of militia that I could potentially use as a team, or maybe at some point I'd just drop money on a team I like since it's self contained and such.  Who knows, I may even be able to paint the whole thing myself...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Perambulator on November 09, 2011, 03:26:40 PM
The Board Game is a lot of fun - just played it this past weekend.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Delthos on November 09, 2011, 05:58:36 PM
I don't see any reason you couldn't move Bloodbowl into the 40K universe without any problems. Almost every 40K race has a fantasy equivalent which would work just fine. A Team Wizard would just become a Team Psyker, and so on. Humans/IG would be humans, Eldar would be High Elves or Professional Elves, Dark Eldar would be Dark Elves, Orks would be Orcs, and so on. You may have to come up with some new stats for some armies, like the Necrons. While Tomb Kings would seem like a good fit a first glance, their rules just don't work for the Necrons. Space Marines may need some work too.

Overall I think it would fit in very well. Some teams would be a bit harder to explain, but if you went with the alternate world setting that BloodBowl uses, it's not technically set in the Warhammer Old World, but a different version of it, you could do the same with the 40K universe to make it work. I think it would be very refreshing to see some 40K races done up as Bloodbowl teams.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Finlay on November 09, 2011, 06:32:08 PM
Considering the BB fluff is not warhammer fantasy fluff, there is no reason you couldn't do an equivalent for 40k style.

Philly! shocking argument.
Moving men, rolling dice, drinking beer, talking to people = bloodbowl is amazing.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on November 10, 2011, 01:43:22 AM
There a strong rumours of a new BB game next year.

Real physical version I assume? How strong?

I can get you the measurements.

Thanks, It may not be till Chrimbo is over as everything is nuts till then  :happy:.

Let me know if you do plan on getting into this, Siberius.  We could get in some games and start a Mid Atlantic League or something.  Maybe even get our own team buses or charter planes! 

I have a box of militia that I could potentially use as a team, or maybe at some point I'd just drop money on a team I like since it's self contained and such.  Who knows, I may even be able to paint the whole thing myself...

Can't believe you have a box of militia sitting around unmade, treason! On the plus side, that sounds ideal. Well, I will let you know indeed. I know Wolfy will jump at this. I am hoping that due to the lower commitment levels and time taken, the girls might follow suit...



Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: wissenlander on November 10, 2011, 12:23:50 PM
I was going to make a Mordheim warband that could also serve as duelists but stopped after constructing two models.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Shadowlord on November 10, 2011, 06:52:41 PM

Real physical version I assume? How strong?

Harry and Hastings strong.

25 years next year so...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on November 13, 2011, 02:20:41 PM
You're making me think it might be worth hanging back a little longer to see what happens... I'd hate to go and learn a whole set of rules and make up a team if something new and exciting might be around the corner... and it's not like I'm invested with anything but mild interest yet...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Delthos on November 13, 2011, 07:29:19 PM
Bah, even if it is coming out next year, they aren't going to change it significantly. Even then downloading the rules is free, and building a cheap pitch isn't going to cost you a lot of money. The only investment will be in models and dice, unless you really want to purchase the boxed set. I say go for it, don't let fear of what might be ruin your enjoyment of the game now. It really is a fun game.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on November 23, 2011, 11:51:47 AM
Alrighty, I'm gonna go for it! CoD, if you could get me those measurements I would be much obliged. I have the rules downloaded now so come thanksgiving when no one is doing much, it will be time to learn!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 24, 2011, 08:14:18 AM
Sorry it took so long to reply.

An individual square is 29mm across. That is from the center of one of those black corner crosses, to the center of the next black corner cross.

Those corner crosses are about 1mm in thickness and 4mm long. I figure if you just make your squares 30mm it will simplify it and make measuring much easier. The squares on the actual GW board are NOT uniform, and vary by a small amount depending on where they are on the pitch, so complete accuracy is not an issue.

The pitch is 15 squares wide and 26 squares long. It is arranged with a 1 square endzone at each end. There are two "wide zones" that are four squares wide on each side, and a center zone that is seven squares wide. The distance between the line of scrimmage (midfield) and each end zone is 12 squares.

The GW board has a set of score counter squares on one side of the board as well.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 24, 2011, 08:28:08 AM
Here are some additional ideas to get you started.

First, a link to a completely ghetto printer paper and cardboard complete set of Blood Bowl equipment. http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php?topic=186671.0 (http://www.40konline.com/community/index.php?topic=186671.0)

Some images of home made pitches:

(http://imperatorcarnifex.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/phone-001.jpg)
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic499907_md.jpg)
(http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaB2zDHzSLvL_9CwAz1YITY4jD-6VhZwrIYU_3emfmB3OxB5qhWOWkAd_C)
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRXoXuTxBStRG3kx0HsNWnMSgNfzZDNZN2wFacJluyhYxYFRwJU_eAm5guEcA)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3091/2579927486_9008e26367.jpg)
(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTNUU3UnmwaAjlNhaA_fRzRCL5I2RaSDezYdQ6dPtCf8eNFpOHSY0N5ElTaPA)
(http://coolminiornot.com/pics/pics8/img42a9daf8b71dd.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/articlesimg/art445df811cf86a.jpg)
(http://boromirandkermit.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/bb7-board-finished-reduced.jpg)
(http://www.drunkdwarves.com/images/lamenters_pitch/001.JPG)
(http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m1020370a_US_RTGD_BloodBowl_12_Image_Sml)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3500/3706660880_3b1099ecaf.jpg)

Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on November 24, 2011, 02:44:50 PM
Some of those are insane!

Thanks for the measurements. I plan to try out a game or two with the brother this afternoon if time (and family) permits. Probably just basic rules to get to grips with it. Read through that far at least and looks easily doable. Might print off the advanced rules ready to get a handle on them also.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on November 25, 2011, 04:49:22 PM
So we played through a half yesterday in amongst dinner and whatnot. Took us a while but considering we were literally learning as we went not too bad. I can see this being a very enjoyable gaming option for those times when Warhammer is a bit much. Plus, I'm thinking it might be easier to get others into. It's virtually a board game, even if it is one with a bunch of potential additional rules... but the idea of getting some kind of league going is exciting.

I won the half with my humans by the by, 1-0. He was clsoe to my endzone with 3 turns to go, but I blitzed him, causing an amusing series of fumbles , the ball eventually landing in the hands of one of my players who got off a long throw and I nearly scored down the other end. I liked both how many ways there are to try and make things happen and switch it up, coupled with how fast the other team can get hold of the ball and score a breakaway goal.

So much to learn...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 26, 2011, 05:35:40 AM
 :happy: Awesome!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on January 09, 2012, 10:10:51 PM
So I am planning on making a pitch very soon. I read somewhere that making the squares a little bigger could help with room, especially with big guys and players knocked over. Think it is worthwhile?

If I did so, I could easily make the throw template comparatively bigger so that throwing was the same. I think that would be the only adjustment that would need to be made.

I'm not thinking to make the squares hugely bigger as I don't want the pitch to be too big, just maybe a a few more mm.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Delthos on January 09, 2012, 10:53:15 PM
If you just use the range chart in the rules, you don't have to worry about the throwing template. Then you don't have to worry about how big you make your squares. The only advantage of the template is that it is so much quicker to use than counting squares.

I'd say yeah, if you plan to use a lot of big guys, then yes bigger squares are nice. Otherwise I wouldn't worry about it.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on January 10, 2012, 10:54:26 AM
I just play it on my xbox 360.  You can pick the game up for less than 20 these days.

Which is miles cheaper than buying the models!  I do have an undead team painted ages and ages ago, which is hideously badly done.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Siberius on November 23, 2012, 08:26:02 PM
Boy a lot of time has passed but for some reason the holiday season makes me start thinking BloodBowl...

And hence I have decided to declare that my pitch will be finished by Chrimbo, as will the painting on my human team, the 'Hergig Merlins'.

Just to prove it, here is my progress so far:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/Snapbucket/1C80FB67-orig.jpg)

To explain further... I have painted on the base coats. My (ingenious?) solution to knowing what squares are where is a chequered pattern with my static grass. As you can see I have only just started but am quite optimistic.

I plan to leave the endzones empty and each team will have it's own endzone strip it can place in there.

I am undecided how I will paint on the white lines. Can you just gently brush them on?


Oh and Wiss, get a team together  :wink:.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: wissenlander on November 23, 2012, 09:50:06 PM
I still have that mostly unassembled box of militia.  That's what I've got planned for them.  But that's about as far as it's gone.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on November 23, 2012, 10:41:10 PM
Maybe you should download the rules and do some light reading justin case  :-P
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: rufus sparkfire on November 23, 2012, 10:42:23 PM
Nice pitch so far!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Cannonofdoom on November 24, 2012, 03:05:24 PM
Nice pitch!

I have had success painting white lines onto static grass but it's tricky.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on November 24, 2012, 07:21:46 PM
Guess I mainly need to make sure the grass is relatively well sealed before hand!

Tried some of the alternating squares to see how it looks. Think it will be quite snazzy once finished.
 :happy:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Quickbeam on November 26, 2012, 02:58:28 AM
Bah!  Too many models laying around.  I have no need to get into another model game!
I read this. And died inside.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Clarkarias on November 26, 2012, 01:44:35 PM
I've had success too in painting white lines on grass.  It works great if you treat the paint like line chalk and just cake it on and when it's partially dry you brush the grass back up.

Got to get going on my vampire team again!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Delthos on November 27, 2012, 01:19:16 AM
If you have access to an air brush, I'd just create a stencil and spray them on. I'd use some light weight cardboard and make them about 2mm wide. It would be best to make the stencil between 6" and 9" long. Place it down, spray on the paint, then move the stencil, spray again. Repeat until all your lines are painted. Don't worry about a little over spray under the stencil. As long as the over spray isn't too heavy I think it would only add to the look of it. If you do get a little too much over spray, you can go back and touch up the brown. I think you'll end up with a pretty good result that will look like real chalk lines on a field. I'd stick away from using regular spray paint as you'll get a lot more over spray.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Midaski on November 28, 2012, 06:19:14 PM
Of course what might have been better was to lay the white line grid down first, and then 'paint' the paste up to the edge for the flock.   :engel:

Midaski helpful as ever ............... in hindsight   
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on November 28, 2012, 08:16:11 PM
I often think of excellent ways I should have done stuff after I have done tonnes of work doing it a more complicated and worse way. See my semi-modular gaming board blog for proof  :-P.

Thanks for all the input guys. I have a flat white spraypaint. I wonder if I was just careful if I could get away with it. I could do small passes from far away... A template of determined length is a way better idea than what I had thought which was a whole sheet covering the board with the lines cut out, that would have been a nightmare!

Still gotta get me some more dark grass for my alt squares but I am doing a bit each day and it's quite exxiting knowing what it will come out like...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Delthos on November 28, 2012, 10:18:30 PM
As they say, hind site is 20/20. I find that even if I find there was a better way I could have done something, I'm still always damn proud of my results in the end. Looks like I may be playing some Blood Bowl soon, even if I'm more looking forward to playing some Dreadball when I get my stuff.

I picked up a copy of the Blood Bowl Team Manager Card Game on Black Friday. I was talking about it at work and one of the guys at work wants me to bring in my Blood Bowl stuff sometime. I've just got the human and orc teams that come with it, but those should be good enough to teach him.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on December 19, 2012, 12:18:50 AM
Very happy with how my board has come together.

Probably gonna cut a template for the lines bit rather than spray, use it as a way to keep my brushed on paint straight. Spart seems to messy to do such small work in my situation.

Wondering aboit finding some dice shape cubes from a hobbyish shop to make some block dice but I haven't tried looking yet...

My human team is coming along nicely too. Really hard to find colours that I liked...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: wissenlander on December 19, 2012, 01:14:04 PM
Are you using  green stuff for your team?
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on December 19, 2012, 07:49:03 PM
My team is the actual human blood bowl team. Got it last christmas from my lovely wife.

Phil is using marauders as Norse. He did a nice job at converting them up. There will be pictures posted when we do Chistmasbowl of both in action.

I forgot to mention last time but I putt a lil metal strip beneath the balls and then magnatize the bases. Should make keeping the balls from falling off all the time nice and easy.   8-)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on December 20, 2012, 09:58:12 PM
Sneak Peak of WIP...

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/Snapbucket/AA7C9D4C-orig.jpg)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: wissenlander on December 20, 2012, 10:16:48 PM
That looks really good.  Plans on bringing that with on your excursion north?  Fair warning I probably won't have a team by then. :wink:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on December 20, 2012, 10:26:43 PM
That's the beauty if bloodbowl. It's relatively transportable!

I hope to have a spare team by then so no worries on that front.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Finlay on December 21, 2012, 01:06:47 AM
No armour Norse. Sad times.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: rufus sparkfire on December 21, 2012, 01:22:23 PM
That board looks amazing, Siby!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Delthos on December 21, 2012, 03:27:31 PM
Wow, that board is very impressive, I'm looking forward to seeing it completely finished. That is a crazy amount of static grass you've used though.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 22, 2012, 02:47:21 AM
That board looks amazing, Siby!

+1  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on December 22, 2012, 06:45:14 AM
Thanks all.  :happy:

The thing that drove me most crazy was having to do that square pattern.... Argh!

Think I know how I want to do the endzones now which is good as I only have a few days to get it finished!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Delthos on December 25, 2012, 02:45:48 AM
I don't know how you managed to get the squares to line up so well and come out, well square! It's definitely a one time thing.

One of my co-workers wants me to teach him how to play Bloodbowl. I want to, but I think I'm going to try out Dreadball first.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... the thread!
Post by: Siberius on December 27, 2012, 09:50:48 PM
So against all the odds, my brother and I actually got in a full game on Christmas Day!

FIREDRAKES (humans -me) vs JABBERSLYTHES (norse -brother)

It was a pretty tight affair and in the first half his werewolf and berserker fellow were knocking my guys over left right and centre which allowed him the chance to run away for a score.

In the second half though, I was a bit more sensible with my deep cover and nipped a receiver along the side of the field, lobbed him the ball and he just about dodged in for a TD.

With not long to go I had three guys knocked out and was feeling the pressure. The Norse looked sure to score and threw a ball in my half which if caught was a certain TD but no! My blitzer intercepted on a 6, took off down the field and with a flurry of well made dodge rolls took the ball over the line for a surprise 2-1 win!!

It was a fun game mostly highlighted by the soapiness of the ball which at times bobbled out of one team's hands, through the other team's hands, into the crowd and back to the original guy. Much amusement all round.

I like the versatility of the human team but my lack of strength and block skill meant I rarely won blocks. Thankfully the Norse make up for that by not being able to catch a ball.  :-P

Looking forward to more games. Alas, I wasn't able to put on the lines but we played anyways, here's a few phone pics:

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/Snapbucket/6FC1AA0D-orig.jpg)
A birds eye view. It was really nice to see some teams on there after all the hard work.

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/Snapbucket/17DE2F30-orig.jpg)
The Norse running in their first TD

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/Snapbucket/AA78029E-orig.jpg)

(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/Snapbucket/178E7117-orig.jpg)


(http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g97/vaskel/Snapbucket/981B8113-orig.jpg)
"Send him off Ref!" (A spare kindly donated dwarf from CoD who I decided for fun to make into a ref)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: arjunstc on December 28, 2012, 12:53:48 AM
Looks even more beautiful with figures on it!

You can get a lot of practice with the computer version of the game - that's what I do when I can't get a real game in.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Delthos on December 28, 2012, 04:41:38 PM
Wow, it looks even better close up. I like your brother's norse conversions, but of all the figs I really like your ref conversion most of all.

One of the things I found with the humans is it's really always and uphill battle with them. While they are a diverse team, they struggle compared to other teams at the start, but even as they gain experience your opponent's are gaining as well. Orcs and Dwarves are so much tougher, Elves are so much more agile, and so on. You really have to work to try and overcome their weaknesses. Whiles Elves are much weaker, they are hard to knock down in the first place due to their agility and skills. They can easily dance around you and play their team off the line to reduce the number of their players you can knock down. Dwarves are slow and don't score much but they will knock the crap out of you and you won't put them down because they are just so tough. They will try and stay right up in your face to keep you from moving around.

Are you and your brother playing a campaign where your team will expand and improve or was this just a one off game?
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Siberius on December 28, 2012, 07:49:41 PM
Thanks guys  :mellow:.

So far this was just a test game but I am hoping to get a few people interested and start a league. I would really like 6 to start. Not too big but some variety. I am thinking to do a game night soon with some friends and get them to play with me and my brother helping them along.

How long does a game normally take once you are pretty solid on the rules? Took us a couple of hours to do this one but we were always looking stuff up and getting distracted.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 28, 2012, 08:40:41 PM
Thanks guys  :mellow:.

So far this was just a test game but I am hoping to get a few people interested and start a league. I would really like 6 to start. Not too big but some variety. I am thinking to do a game night soon with some friends and get them to play with me and my brother helping them along.

How long does a game normally take once you are pretty solid on the rules? Took us a couple of hours to do this one but we were always looking stuff up and getting distracted.

It usually takes me and my buddy who are really good at the game about 45 minutes to play a full game. Longer if we are playing strategy heavy teams like elves.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Delthos on December 28, 2012, 10:17:18 PM
You can definitely get a couple games finished in one night after you get to know the game well, maybe even three if you've got three to four hours. That works out well for a league.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Cannonofdoom on December 28, 2012, 10:28:34 PM
You can definitely get a couple games finished in one night after you get to know the game well, maybe even three if you've got three to four hours. That works out well for a league.

And for an evening of Blood Bowl with a friend when you both have multiple teams!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: arjunstc on December 30, 2012, 03:46:14 AM
Six players is a good size, but I recommend getting more pitches if you plan to run a league.

My friends and I did one years ago - lots of fun.

http://nutbowl.blogspot.sg/ (http://nutbowl.blogspot.sg/)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Siberius on December 30, 2012, 11:35:03 AM
Ai, I think my brother plans to make a snowy pitch for his Norse and then I have an old warhammer board that I can make a reasonably fast one out of I reckon.

If I do get a league going we will probably start off at one game a night to make sure it is relaxed and we can get over rules issues.

Great blog arjunstc!

I actually have stuff to be able to make an orc and elf team so I am hoping that will encourage people to join up as they won't have any outlay!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... fill me in.
Post by: Crimsonsphinx on January 14, 2013, 04:57:30 PM
I would get the video game.  Same game without all the modeling struggles!

I agree.  I have the xbox game its pretty good.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: harv on January 14, 2013, 05:22:30 PM
I have the 3rd Ed. Got it in 1994 and played it non stop with a friend for about 5-6 years before losing contact with him. Since then it's been sitting in a cupboard. I keep meaning to bring it out, strip all my teams and paint them again and build a custom pitch. I would be motivated to do this if I could find someone (even one person) who wanted to play it as much as I do, sadly none of my new friends are interested.

On a side note they do like the Fantasy Flight card game Blood Bowl: Team Manager. Not sure if anyone has played it but it's also great fun.

(http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/blood-bowl/images/layout-bloodbowl.png)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Delthos on January 14, 2013, 05:48:36 PM
On a side note they do like the Fantasy Flight card game Blood Bowl: Team Manager. Not sure if anyone has played it but it's also great fun.

(http://www.fantasyflightgames.com/ffg_content/blood-bowl/images/layout-bloodbowl.png)

I've got it and while it is fun, it really is nothing like the boardgame. It really only shares the background. I do like the fact that more than two people can play Bloodbowl Team Manager though. I'm looking forward to the expansion for it this year.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Finlay on January 14, 2013, 06:02:56 PM
We played the 'three minute turn rule' and games took a while.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Siberius on August 20, 2013, 11:26:46 PM
So I had a game while Wiss was down, with the man himself and criminally forgot to report it here. I used my humans and he used my newly painted orcs. I didn't really know how it would go, being so new to it. But here's a few pics.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/936435_10151737821361133_2021998945_n.jpg)

I still don't really know what a good set up is for kickoffs. I guess it varies depending on your team and players, but hey, we did what we could.


I think I kicked off to him and it ended up in a nice pocket of Black Orcs, aghh!
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/946213_10151737821261133_320586593_n.jpg)


With them being so slow though it took forever to get to my endzone and one step away, he fell over and fumbled the ball!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1043921_10151737821091133_119917154_n.jpg)


I felt like I was in a bit of trouble even now, holding the ball in my own endzone with orcs all around...
(https://sphotos-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1014106_10151737821081133_1893210600_n.jpg)


But I figured ok, keep your nerve, I dodged round the orcs and moved as far as I could, ready to lob a dodgy long bomb upfield...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/941745_10151737821086133_743871424_n.jpg)


Then the amazing happened... a catch under pressure! Surely I couldn't...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1005277_10151737821241133_2041919266_n.jpg)


But I did... touchdown on the stroke of halftime... which sadly was where we had to stop due to ladyfolks being horrified that we were only halfway through, hehe.
(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1003264_10151737821246133_204762163_n.jpg)


Bit of a rotten intro to the game I must admit to feeling a bit bad. Having tried to advise as best I could, to let him get so close and then nab a sneak win I didn't even really know was possible... Wiss said he really enjoyed it, as you can see here...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/580200_10151737821566133_37518780_n.jpg)


But seriously it was a lot of fun and the way it played out was dramatic, if totally morally wrong. I know that had we carried on James would have kept a bit more in his backfield to help prevent such shennaigans. We just didn't really count on the explosive human pace and me lucking out all my rolls. Great game Bloodbowl is. I actually got in a full game with my brother, think I have a couple of pics of that which I will at some point come back and put up.


Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Siberius on August 20, 2013, 11:34:46 PM
We did play lots of other games, as I will prove now:


(https://sphotos-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/484662_10151737821531133_1098569757_n.jpg)
Catan, I also snuck an outrageous win in this one!


(https://sphotos-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1044179_10151737818866133_1688646195_n.jpg)
Elder Sign, my favourite new game of the weekend. I think I was on fire because everything I did in this game just worked too. People kept saying that this or that room was gonna be a big problem for us. I was so overconfident that I took those every time and just kept getting stronger and stronger, amusing. I love the teamwork aspect of it. You either all win or all die. Nice!


(https://sphotos-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/999501_10151737819536133_762089631_n.jpg)
Ticket to Ride... I wasn't involved in this in the end as I was playing...


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/1002092_10151737818741133_13398061_n.jpg)
...Dominion. I forget who won this. I think I may have joint won. Like I say, outrageous weekend!


(https://sphotos-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/993049_10151737819366133_993014584_n.jpg)
My poker face.  :-P


(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1045189_10151737819031133_59954758_n.jpg)
Wolfy suggests to Wiss that Wissenlanders are just traitor Sollanders. Wiss deathrays him to oblivion.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on August 20, 2013, 11:40:35 PM
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1045189_10151737819031133_59954758_n.jpg)
Wolfy suggests to Wiss that Wissenlanders are just traitor Sollanders. Wiss deathrays him to oblivion.

Wolfy is messing with some primal forces here...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on August 20, 2013, 11:51:42 PM
Agreed... one day we will make them play it out on the battlefield Wissenland vs Solland... though it will mean making Wiss play Warhammer again... maybe 9th edition will snag him back in...  :|
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: wissenlander on August 21, 2013, 12:30:08 AM
I tend to lose every time we play something.  The one exception being the mega battle that we can't seem to find.

I did have a lot of fun.  I looked at the card game briefly but it didn't seem to have the same feel.  I haven't looked any further into online sources.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Karl Voss of Averland on August 21, 2013, 12:47:11 AM
Also, its nice to see other fans of Dominion. Do you play just the standard game? Do you own any expansions that you recommend?
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: WolfyGriess on August 21, 2013, 01:43:15 AM
Agreed... one day we will make them play it out on the battlefield Wissenland vs Solland... though it will mean making Wiss play Warhammer again... maybe 9th edition will snag him back in...  :|

I am still very much looking forward to this. It will mean I need to do a lot more painting though.

Thoroughly enjoyed all the games, Elder Sign being fantastic. As for Dominion, we now have five boxes and we are eagerly eyeing up the others!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2013, 07:16:49 AM
Does wissenlander ever smile?  :ph34r:

Is Elder Sign a Cthulu game? I'll have to look that up.


Anyway, it looks like you had fun! I'm jealous!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on August 21, 2013, 07:51:30 AM
I will answer all of these questions and more when I get back from work!

Afterall, finding photographic evidense that Wiss smiles is going to be hard...  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Delthos on August 21, 2013, 06:47:05 PM
But seriously it was a lot of fun and the way it played out was dramatic, if totally morally wrong. I know that had we carried on James would have kept a bit more in his backfield to help prevent such shennaigans. We just didn't really count on the explosive human pace and me lucking out all my rolls. Great game Bloodbowl is. I actually got in a full game with my brother, think I have a couple of pics of that which I will at some point come back and put up.

If you think Humans can have an explosive pace, try out an Elf or Skaven team. They will run across the pitch lickity-slit many many times during the game.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Siberius on August 21, 2013, 06:58:39 PM
If you think Humans can have an explosive pace, try out an Elf or Skaven team. They will run across the pitch lickity-slit many many times during the game.

I have some dark eldar waiting to become an elf team, will be fun to try them out...


Is Elder Sign a Cthulu game? I'll have to look that up.


Anyway, it looks like you had fun! I'm jealous!

Yes it is I think, not that I know much about cthulu stuff. But the concept is that there is a big monster guy who is asleep but gradually approaching wakefulness. You have to try and defeat him before he can wake because once he does things go downhill fast. You have a bunch of characters to choose from and they each have specialities. What I really liked was the teamwork aspect, though the mechanics also worked really nicely. It looks horribly complicated at first, but isn't as bad once you get going. Excellent game!

And yes, we did have fun! It's the closest to the euro bash that we get  :wink:


Also, its nice to see other fans of Dominion. Do you play just the standard game? Do you own any expansions that you recommend?

The expansions for dominion are so so worth it. The ones I have had most experience with are seaside and intrigue. Both of them bring a whole lot of new stuff to the game and the whole mix and match aspect is multiplied so many many times. I would point you at either of those first. Or prosperity if you want to add the whole new level of a bigger coin and bigger victory card. I haven't played many of the kingdom cards from prosperity yet though as my brother only got it relatively recently.


I tend to lose every time we play something.  The one exception being the mega battle that we can't seem to find.

Yes, it's annoying that the mega battle seemingly disappeared. Maybe one of the mods can shine some light. We had a battle report up on the forum a couple of years back from our first bash but for all our searching, we cannot find it. Does old stuff ever get deleted?
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Delthos on August 21, 2013, 06:59:59 PM
Does wissenlander ever smile?  :ph34r:

Is Elder Sign a Cthulu game? I'll have to look that up.


Anyway, it looks like you had fun! I'm jealous!

Yes, it is a Cthulhu mythos game. It is pretty much Arkham Horror light. You are exploring the different locations trying to roll the combination of dice results needed to defeat the monster or objective. If you succeed you get a reward, sometimes equipment, some times blessings (if you are using the expansion), and some times Elder Signs, which are required to keep the Elder God from awakening. If you fail something bad happens, usually losing life or stamina, sometimes getting curses, or more monsters, or help bring the Elder God closer to awakening. If the Elder God awakens you have to directly attack it, which is usually much more difficult than keeping him asleep. The catch is that neither option is easy to do. You seldom win by getting enough Elder Signs to keep the God from awakening and once he does awaken you usually don't have enough resources to defeat him as well.

Of the four times I've played it we lost 3 times. The last time we played it we won and it was against one of the easier Gods to defeat once he awakens. Even though he was easier, 2 of the 4 players were killed by him and me and the other player were one trophy away from getting killed ourselves.  It really is a hard game to win, but really that's how a Cthulhu game should be.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Delthos on August 21, 2013, 07:04:46 PM

And yes, we did have fun! It's the closest to the euro bash that we get  :wink:


Too bad North Carolina is just a bit too far away. That's about a 16 hour drive away, depending on which part of the state you are in. I've got a group of people here that play a lot of Boardgames on a regular basis. We play all the same games you guys played and more. It would be nice to get together and play some time.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Midaski on August 21, 2013, 07:12:53 PM
And yes, we did have fun! It's the closest to the euro bash that we get  :wink:


The main difference seems to be our redhead smiles .............. occasionally.








Of course we have more drunken topless behaviour too ................


 :engel:

Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on August 21, 2013, 07:16:57 PM
Of the four times I've played it we lost 3 times. The last time we played it we won and it was against one of the easier Gods to defeat once he awakens. Even though he was easier, 2 of the 4 players were killed by him and me and the other player were one trophy away from getting killed ourselves.  It really is a hard game to win, but really that's how a Cthulhu game should be.

Wiss said similar about his games, that he had lost more than they had won. But I don't think we lost a single time of the 3 or 4 times we played. Of course that may have been my hot streak that helped a lot. I took all the hardest rooms and only failed to beat one one time. I would love to have that kind of lucky streak in a warhammer game some day...  :engel:



And yes, we did have fun! It's the closest to the euro bash that we get  :wink:


Too bad North Carolina is just a bit too far away. That's about a 16 hour drive away, depending on which part of the state you are in. I've got a group of people here that play a lot of Boardgames on a regular basis. We play all the same games you guys played and more. It would be nice to get together and play some time.

What we need is to find a friendly forumite who lives in Kentucky, then we can all converge on them!  :wink:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Delthos on August 21, 2013, 07:17:27 PM


Of course we have more drunken topless behaviour too ................


 :engel:

Some types of drunken topless behavior is better than others though......

 :evil:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Siberius on August 21, 2013, 07:18:10 PM
Of course we have more drunken topless behaviour too ................


 :engel:

Challenge accepted! We might be meeting up with Wiss in November... expect nudity!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Warhammer-Weib on August 21, 2013, 07:39:38 PM
Of course we have more drunken topless behaviour too ................


 :engel:

The hot chicks still seem to prefer strip poker with Prince Harry.  :engel:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Darknight on August 21, 2013, 08:04:52 PM
Everyone prefers strip poker with Prince Harry.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Warhammer-Weib on August 21, 2013, 08:11:34 PM
The queen is not amused.

(http://i1367.photobucket.com/albums/r791/Warhammer-Weib/queen_zps23ec0ce6.png)

Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 21, 2013, 09:47:33 PM
Hmmm, I want to play Elder Sign.



Of course we have more drunken topless behaviour too ................


 :engel:

Challenge accepted! We might be meeting up with Wiss in November... expect nudity!

It's not a real party without inappropriate nudity!




More helpfully:

Quote
Yes, it's annoying that the mega battle seemingly disappeared. Maybe one of the mods can shine some light. We had a battle report up on the forum a couple of years back from our first bash but for all our searching, we cannot find it. Does old stuff ever get deleted?

Maybe you mean this one?

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=37119.0

It includes another picture of wissenlander not smiling!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: GamesPoet on August 21, 2013, 09:58:32 PM
That picture of Wiss staring Siberious down is a classic. :::cheers:::

Loved seeing the Blood Bowl game.  I've never been really interested, but after those pictures, I am.

Good see you folks having so much fun with the various games.  I enjoy Dominion and Catan, never played the other one.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 21, 2013, 10:04:13 PM
There is no suck thing as inappropriate nudity. All nudity is appropriate.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Darknight on August 21, 2013, 10:15:58 PM
There is no suck thing as inappropriate nudity. All nudity is appropriate.

Under my clothes, I am completely naked.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on August 21, 2013, 11:33:43 PM
There is no suck thing as inappropriate nudity. All nudity is appropriate.

Freudian slip!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: wissenlander on August 21, 2013, 11:35:37 PM

The main difference seems to be our redhead smiles .............. occasionally.



Of course we have more drunken topless behaviour too ................

I smile upon occasion. 



Of course we have more drunken topless behaviour too ................

Rufus definitely wins there.

Hmmm, I want to play Elder Sign.

It is fun.  I've played it quite a bit and definitely lost more than won.  I've kind of gotten a bit tired of it at the moment.  I would like the expansion to flavor it up again.


Maybe you mean this one?

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=37119.0

It includes another picture of wissenlander not smiling!

Na, that's not it unfortunately.  The other one had skeletons.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... first proper game!!
Post by: Siberius on August 21, 2013, 11:38:37 PM

Maybe you mean this one?

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=37119.0

It includes another picture of wissenlander not smiling!

Hehe, ah my days pre-battle chronicler...

Alas it is not that one, it was the one before, we did it in a game store with Wiss's friend who I think got banned on here even though he seemed like a nice fellow in real life.

The best part of the battle was when a small unit of skeletons scared off and ran down a stubborn treeman. And then the evil side thinking we were going to win with the huge combat in the middle when our wraiths charged in, only to get soulfired and lose. Good times.

Wiss, we really need to get you playing warhammer again... the stories!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: wissenlander on August 22, 2013, 12:11:34 AM
Yeah, was fun.  I just transferred all that fun to other games.  And Star Wars, which no one else seemed to want as play as much as me. :engel:  There's a better chance of gaming when you're up here because I don't have to bring my army with me, it's just here.  You can just tell me what to do for the most part.  Maybe one day I'll get the passion back for it.  Until then, it'll be board games I think.

I don't remember being particularly upset at Wolfy, and then my wife reminded me that's just the way my face is.  I feel loved.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2013, 06:47:42 AM
Na, that's not it unfortunately.  The other one had skeletons.

It must be this one then!

http://warhammer-empire.com/theforum/index.php?topic=29983.0
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Midaski on August 22, 2013, 08:58:30 AM
The main difference seems to be our redhead smiles .............. occasionally.



................... and he is much, much, much better at using the SEARCH facility ....................   :engel:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: wissenlander on August 22, 2013, 10:51:40 AM
Hey, at least we tried.  I think rufus also has me beat in the top hat and monocle department. 

Thanks, rufus!

Also of note from that thread:

The army looks pretty cohesive overall, considering. Maybe when we next meet up with Wiss, we can get him to pin down how he wants to base them and help him get it done.  :-P

Still not based.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on August 22, 2013, 12:07:59 PM
I nearly told you to bring your army down this time so we could base it  :-P

Maybe I will bring all my basing materials if we make it up there and we can blitz it. Really not too painful a process if there's not paint involved.

Rufus! I don't know how you found that, we both looked pretty hard. Glad to see it lives on though :)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: wissenlander on August 22, 2013, 01:34:45 PM
Of the four times I've played it we lost 3 times. The last time we played it we won and it was against one of the easier Gods to defeat once he awakens. Even though he was easier, 2 of the 4 players were killed by him and me and the other player were one trophy away from getting killed ourselves.  It really is a hard game to win, but really that's how a Cthulhu game should be.

Wiss said similar about his games, that he had lost more than they had won. But I don't think we lost a single time of the 3 or 4 times we played. Of course that may have been my hot streak that helped a lot. I took all the hardest rooms and only failed to beat one one time. I would love to have that kind of lucky streak in a warhammer game some day...  :engel:


I was surprised how easy it seemed when we played.  Over time, once you figure out some strategies it does get easier.  When we played with 8 I think we kind of broke the game.  With all of the special abilities the group was pretty strong.

I nearly told you to bring your army down this time so we could base it  :-P

Maybe I will bring all my basing materials if we make it up there and we can blitz it. Really not too painful a process if there's not paint involved.

I have a flocking material already mixed and ready to go.  I've heard it's quite easy, but that's never stopped me from not doing something.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on August 22, 2013, 06:19:55 PM
I have a flocking material already mixed and ready to go.  I've heard it's quite easy, but that's never stopped me from not doing something.

In that case... it is happening for sure!!

You know, I have a feeling one could use battle chronicler for blood bowl once you set it up right... I will have a little go and see what it looks like...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on August 22, 2013, 07:09:49 PM
Example:

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Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: rufus sparkfire on August 22, 2013, 09:54:49 PM
Rufus! I don't know how you found that, we both looked pretty hard. Glad to see it lives on though :)

It's because I'm really smart.

And drunk.

And ginger.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Delthos on October 02, 2013, 07:18:55 PM
Example:

(https://sphotos-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/1236854_10151842418141133_411521770_n.jpg)

It's been a while and I missed this post, but man you would have to take some very accurate notes to record a game via Battle Chronicler. I don't know that I'd really want to do it. It may be more trouble than it's worth!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on October 04, 2013, 07:48:17 AM
Agreed. I am wondering whether the best thing might be more simple than this...

Skyping and both people just having a board or mini replica board to act it out on as you go... Much easier to visualise then too than trying to read it off a flat top down info view...
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Wissenlander's invasion!
Post by: Siberius on October 21, 2013, 02:35:48 PM
So I am doing a clearout of my Warhammer closet. In there I have 8 plastic demonettes I was going to make into harpies for the dark elves. But now harpies have gone up so far in points, I am thinking to just stick with the one unit and was trying to decide what to do with the demonettes. One idea was Bloodbowl.

There's no official rules for a Slaanesh team but I did find some online and thought I would link them here and see if you guys think they are fairly priced and ruled. Then I might go ahead and build them into a team... (could probably convert half the box into slaangors and half to slaan warriors, then I just need to find something to do the linesmen positions)

https://fumbbl.com/help:SlaanE (https://fumbbl.com/help:SlaanE)
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Slaanesh?
Post by: Cannonofdoom on October 24, 2013, 02:35:39 PM
I think it looks a bit overpowered for the costs. Too many skills on everything gives it the same problems of being overpowered at low levels that the Nurgle team has. I also don't think the very long legs and prehensile tail match very well with Slaanesh, and Claw on that many guys is just brutal. I would replace Claw with Tentacles on the warriors, or at least remove VLL, and maybe just have the Slaangors with Horns and Fend. It should have a big monster in it as well to conform to the other chaos lists. Perhaps a Fiend of Slaanesh with M6 S5 A3 AV8 Loner, Claw, Wild Animal, priced about the same as a Minotaur.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Slaanesh?
Post by: Deuce on February 18, 2014, 06:19:24 AM
A bit of threadomancy, for which I apologise, but I've also been pondering on a Slaanesh team recently. I'm trying to build up a collection of all the teams (some are harder than others!) and looking ahead to once I've done that and other options I could do.

My thoughts for Slaanesh, though, tended more in the direction of the Khorne team from the PC game than the Nurgle team from tabletop. We've already got two teams with beastmen and Chaos Warriors; do we really need a third? (Yeah, I know, four elf teams). I would consider replacing the Slaangors with Daemonettes and adding a Fiend as a big guy as already suggested. I can see what they've tried to do with that roster but it looks a bit unfocused. Very Long Legs is an odd skill choice both thematically and in gameplay; in theory it allows you to develop players as interceptors or leap-specialists, but it's a pretty useless starting skill on its own. Disturbing Presence would seem a better option in terms of both game balance and theme.

I think the general direction of the team is ok, though - it's just that I don't like the specifics. I think ideally they should play a bit like a cross between Norse and (running) Elves: fairly fast, good offensive capability both with ball in hand and on the block, but can't withstand punishment against a specialist blocking team. I might actually give more players Claw to start with, but make General skills available to them only on doubles (along with Strength). That stops them both from developing lots of ClawPOMB players, and from loading up too many players with Block or Wrestle. Obviously some players would need General skills (the linemen) for essential skills like Kick, Strip Ball and Sure Hands if nothing else, but I'd be tempted to restrict runners' access to General skills. At least one player group (whichever is the expected ballcarrier) should probably get passing skills, though, more for Leader, Dump-Off and Nerves of Steel than Pass, Accurate, etc.

When it comes to Tzeentch teams, though, I have no idea.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Slaanesh?
Post by: Siberius on February 18, 2014, 01:20:01 PM
I think i agree somewhat. I would imagine a slaanesh team would be a mix of deamonettes and maybe marauder type guys.

I still haven't done anything about it for a while. Briefly considered using the deamonettes as witch elf back rankers but I dunno.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Slaanesh?
Post by: Deuce on March 02, 2014, 07:42:05 PM
I've found an old article which looks like it could be from Blood Bowl (or possibly Fanatic) Magazine on "forgotten Chaos teams", which purports to give rosters for the remaining Chaos powers, including Slaanesh. It's based on LRB1 so some tuning is probably necessary. The Slaanesh roster looks like:

0-16 Cultists 70K 6/3/3/7  Dodge, Disturbing Presence   GM  ASP
0-4 Warriors 120K 6/4/3/8  Disturbing Presence   GSM  AP
0-2 Daemonettes 120K  8/3/4/7  Loner, Dodge, Claw, Disturbing Presence, No Hands   GA  S
0-2 Daemonette on Steed (Hellstrider?)  160K  8/3/4/7  Loner, Disturbing Presence, Sprint, Sure Feet   GA  SP
Rerolls 70K
Star Players: Brick Far'th and Grotty, Grashnak, Lord Borak, Max Spleenripper, Ripper, Scrappa Sorehead, Morg (and Thrudd)

It's an interesting list, and probably not all that far off what I would have aimed for in coming up with my own. I wonder whether the number of Loners in the team might cause problems, though, especially since there's no normal access to passing skills so the Hellstriders will have to do a lot of the legwork, and the players are all really expensive. In particular I think the cultists are a little overpriced, especially since their skill access is quite poor.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Slaanesh?
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2014, 04:29:25 PM
So whilst I was up visiting Wissenlander the other week, we played a couple of games of Bloodbowl. Both humans vs orcs.

The first one I am a bit fuzzy on but I think I got up early and maybe won it 3-1? Whilst no expert myself, Wiss was playing his first full length game so no major surprise there.

By game 2 though he had worked out what he needed to do. Batter me with his black orcs whilst driving carefully when he had possession. The second game finished 2-2 but only because after he had gone 2-1 up with 2 turns left I went for what you could call a hail mary I guess. I had only 4 guys conscious and on the field (!), set them up to one side, received with a blitzer, punched a small hole which my other blitzer sprinted through and made it to the endzone.

I think immediately afterwards, Wiss realised that he should have run a deeper defense to cover any runner on the first turn which meant he could have descended upon my guy and never let him through, but we are both so inexperienced that I got away with it.

Immensely enjoyable games though and I did get more of a grip of tactics playing back to back. For instance, the strength of the block skill was highlighted again and again. Especially when his Black Orcs who didn't have it would roll 2s and 1s on their block dice. A turnover on a bad block you did early cos it was a sure thing is painful.

I will let him comment on this but I think he has gone as far as beginning to construct a team, which is very cool.

Here are a few pics from the game...

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The line of scrimmage. Not sure either of us have a full grip on the best way to set up yet...

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The Black Orcs on the incredibly succesful drive that saw most of my team end up unconscious...

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Touchdown dance from the orc linesmen. Note my team piled in the dugout. Ouch!

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The 4 guys who still had their senses set up to one side and break through for a heroic last ditch touchdown completely against the run of play!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Finlay on August 11, 2014, 04:37:28 PM
good stuff, it's a fun game!

When I played we did a 2 minute per turn limit to help the games keep going. Obviously not for the first games, but it added a certain element of tension.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2014, 04:39:13 PM
I think I would be fine with that if we played regularly. It can take ages if you allow it to get bogged down and apart from a few crucial moments 2 mins seems to be ample. Me and Wiss did 4 mins, but I played with 3 mins with my brother last time and that worked fine.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Cannonofdoom on August 11, 2014, 06:06:14 PM
That last setup was completely illegal, but that's okay. :engel:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Siberius on August 11, 2014, 06:27:37 PM
Tell me why! I'm still totally new!  :-P

I had 3 guys on the frontline and not more than 2 wide. Is there another restriction I am missing?

If so, Wiss can totally have bragging rights at having technically won the game  :wink:
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: harv on August 11, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
You need to have a minimum of 3 players setup along on the line of scrimmage which are the 7 squares in the centre of the board on the front line.

Players in the wide zone don't count towards this requirement.


I love the board, do you plan on painting white lines for the different zones?
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Slaanesh?
Post by: wissenlander on August 11, 2014, 08:53:45 PM
The first one I am a bit fuzzy on but I think I got up early and maybe won it 3-1? Whilst no expert myself, Wiss was playing his first full length game so no major surprise there.

Opposite actually.  The 2nd game was the 3-1.  I failed a lot of rolls and it was an ugly, sad game.

That last setup was completely illegal, but that's okay. :engel:

 :icon_evil: :icon_evil: :icon_evil: :icon_evil:

I blame it on Siberius' Englishness.  Always the villain. 

I will let him comment on this but I think he has gone as far as beginning to construct a team, which is very cool.

I'm done with constructing my orc team.  I need to post pictures.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Siberius on August 12, 2014, 07:49:15 AM
I do indeed plan on painting on the lines. Just need to get my act together and make a template!

And oops on the set up. My only slight ray of hope is that looking at the pic, I may still have been able to pull off the move if I shuffled them along and blitzed to clear the guy instead. I don't think it has ever been an issue before cos i have never had nearly so few guys upright!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: wissenlander on August 20, 2014, 11:45:35 PM
I think there was a real chance you still could've broken through.  My setup there was terrible in hindsight.

Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: wissenlander on February 19, 2015, 01:23:51 PM
I've found my major weakness in this game seems to be defending kickoffs.  My positioning is generally terrible.  Siberius really destroys me on these quick strikes.

We played another match this past weekend.  First time I ran out my team, the WAAAGHshington Greenskins.  I held 80% possession and drew 1-1, and that was miraculous.  It felt like a victory for me.  I didn't really start causing damage to his squad until mid-late 2nd half. 
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Siberius on February 20, 2015, 03:17:48 AM
That was partially due to my insane ability to pass armor rolls for much of the game.

As to the quick scores, I wouldn't feel too bad. It's kinda what my team is supposed to do I think. A prolonged drive gets me in trouble by getting battered. I almost feel like I am better off when you have the ball because you focus on attack and getting the ball back while you have defensive holes is vital.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: wissenlander on February 20, 2015, 02:28:51 PM
Well, that's why I say the initial defense on kickoffs.  I think my setup invites quick strikes as I tend to put too many greenies on the front line. 
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Siberius on February 21, 2015, 03:35:51 AM
I must admit set up is something I haven't thought too much about. I vaguely try and cover things but I'm sure there is an optimum formation I should be using every time!
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Cannonofdoom on February 21, 2015, 07:52:05 AM
My setup is largely determined by the team I am playing against, and whether I or my opponent starts with the ball. If I am against a speedy team, like elves or rats, I always keep two guys deep, even on offense, because if they somehow get the ball they can set up a quick score if you don't have any safeties. Against beefy teams I tend to keep my guys off the line, forcing them to move in to me, and allowing only a few "free hits" before they must blitz.

I try bully the shit out of speedy teams by trying to knock guys to the sidelines and pinning them there when possible. I play as Chaos a lot.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Siberius on February 23, 2015, 03:22:47 AM
I'd like to pay against chaos some time. So far I have only faced orcs and Norse.

Sounds like we might get a league up and running here soon though. So far I have heard people wanting to bring Norse, dwarfs and amazons. Along with my humans that'd make at least no duplicates. Sounds like my wife might try elves of some variety too.
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: Cannonofdoom on February 23, 2015, 06:09:34 AM
I'd like to pay against chaos some time. So far I have only faced orcs and Norse.

Sounds like we might get a league up and running here soon though. So far I have heard people wanting to bring Norse, dwarfs and amazons. Along with my humans that'd make at least no duplicates. Sounds like my wife might try elves of some variety too.

Orcs are honestly one of the best teams in the game. They are super flexible, have plenty of skill players, and Trolls are one of the better Big Guys.

If your wife tries elves I would recommend High Elves or Wood Elves. Vanilla Elves are frustrating to play with until they level way up, and Dark Elves will make people hate your guts. High Elves are super strong at low levels, while Wood Elves start strong and get much stronger as they level.

We'll have to arrange visit somehow and you can play my Chaos and beat up on my Halflings. I also have Humans, Vanilla Elves, and Orcs. I used to play a lot <.<
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: harv on February 24, 2015, 05:06:28 PM
Makes me jealous, really hard to find people around here to play Blood Bowl with. All my friends now play DreadBall and I hate it  :lol:

I've yet to play a fantasy/sci-fi sport games that comes close to Blood Bowl  :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Blood Bowl ... Mid Atlantic Cup vs Wiss!
Post by: wissenlander on February 24, 2015, 05:12:17 PM
If you define close as 4 hours away...at least for me.  That's the only time I ever get to play a game.  I was going to try to introduce my LGS to the game (at some point) but they unexpectedly closed down around Christmas.

I've watched Dreadball gameplay on youtube and while at first interested the style of play doesn't really appeal to me.