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Title: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on March 02, 2009, 02:47:44 PM
Next Friday I'm playing my very first real Mordheim game.

I need a 500 Gc list, and am playing Reiklanders.

The game will be between 6 players

All suggestions, tips, tricks, strategies, etc. are welcome.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: wissenlander on March 02, 2009, 03:17:48 PM
Reiklanders are a good band, so you're off to a good start.

Max out on characters as they will benefit you the most along the way in a campaign.  That's really about all I know as my experience is limited.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: MrDWhitey on March 02, 2009, 03:20:47 PM
Been told many a time that max shooting wins.

Also sounds incredibly boring doing that.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 02, 2009, 04:19:49 PM
yay reiklanders. same warband i play.

heres one of a few you could try soth.

my current is:

captain
mace/mace
bow

2x champion
mace/mace on one, mace/dagger other
bow

2x youngblood
mace/dagger


HENCHMEN

4x marksman
mace/dagger
bow

3x swordsmen
sword/dagger


The above warband gives you more before routing, 2 sets of archer sniping to control lanes and two sets of 4 melee people. this gives you a decent chance to take hits with youngbloods or swordsmen and have heroes protected. or you can work with two groups of 3 and 1 melee guarding each of the two sets of marksmen.

another more random but giggleworthy warband could be:

captain
mace/mace
bow

2x champion
mace/dagger
bow

2x youngblood
mace/dagger


HENCHMEN

4x marksmen
mace/dagger
blunderbuss / longbow

move and fire as you approach the enemy, and if they try to bunch up you fire the blunderbusses taking hopefully one guy down a time. also means you can criple a few hopefully befor emelee starts and rout them easier.

up to you though.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Moxer on March 03, 2009, 07:46:33 AM
Max on heroes, take lots of sharpshooters, do not bother with armour, except maybe helmets for your captain or champions.

I'd suggest (without calculating):

Captain, mace, longbow and mace or sword
champion mace+ mace or sword
champion mace+ mace or sword
youngblood mace (+mace)
youngblood mace (+mace)

3 Sharpshooters, longbow, mace
2 sharpshooters, longbow, mace

I do not know if this fits into 500 gold, but it is a very hard list (maces are so cheap and dual-wielding is sadly the way to go in mordheim).
If it is over 500 take away one shooter from the bigger unit.
Strategy: Champions are your close combat units, use them to screen the archers. Captain has a very good BS, so he shall shoot too as long as possible. That reduces the risk of losing him early too.
The youngbloods are too weak to fight alone, but they level up very fast. Keep tham a bit back and charge them into a fight with a stunned or prone enemy to finish him off and rake in EXP.
The archers shoot of course, but with mace and their free dagger they are dangerous in CC too.

One advice: NEVER jump down from a building. Skaven heroes might do this, but humans only cripple themselves when they try...
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 03, 2009, 09:35:55 AM
I tend to use my youngbloods to take the charges, their much cheaper if die than a swordsman. as for the champions i'd still take a bow on them due to ok bs an pepper the enemy with your warband as you close then charge.

helms and such can prob wait until you've had a few games and know what route you want to take.

getting your max on marksmen and swordsmen to fill up the roster is a good idea, don't bother with warriors when you have swordsmen option..
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Moxer on March 03, 2009, 11:57:58 AM
I'd take marksmen over swordmen and use the heroes for CC. The thing is, most hits will not kill an enemy but stun him. It takes another (easier) attack to finish him off. This attack is best done by a hero, becaus he gets EXP from it, swordsmen don't get EXP from kills.
Also a marksman promoted to hero by 'lads got talent is plain awesome!
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 03, 2009, 02:36:35 PM
a great source of information on Mordheim, its workings and warbands can be found on http://boringmordheimforum.forumieren.com/index.htm theres loads fo starter warband sby people with comments about whats good and what needs changed. also loads of terrain ideas for making your own sweet little town.

I think of the top of my head the warplock pistol can be used in the first round of cc like pistols.

Skaven seem to work well with slings nd clubs and masses. stick to buildings and advance on the enemy and swarm him when he leaves gaps.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Midaski on March 03, 2009, 05:44:21 PM
Ooh is this at your club?

I can imagine some good scenery and tales there then ...............

Maybe we can play some on the middle day of the Eurobash ................

 :engel:
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Von Breden on March 03, 2009, 11:04:40 PM
Indeed, is it in your club? I still haven't had the chance to play a game even though I built my warband almost two years ago. I might drop by for a game, then... Won't be anytime soon, busy nowadays...

Moxer's list looks pretty good, though I'd take a few swordsmen where the sharpshooters are now, to protect those youngbloods until they're good to go.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 04, 2009, 03:47:58 PM
Indeed, is it in your club? I still haven't had the chance to play a game even though I built my warband almost two years ago. I might drop by for a game, then... Won't be anytime soon, busy nowadays...

Moxer's list looks pretty good, though I'd take a few swordsmen where the sharpshooters are now, to protect those youngbloods until they're good to go.

no real point for more melee as reiklanders, may as well max out their bnefits of extra ranged shooters. their 25gold and add a mace and they can close and shoot the longbows/ows and then melee with two attacks along side your melee people.

Blunderbuss if used right can also add some fun.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: CaptScott on March 09, 2009, 05:12:24 AM
I'll be playing Mord for the first time soon as well, using Rieks also.

I've decided to use my Maximillion conversion (W-E conv comp a year or so ago) as my Captain:

Light Armour
Sword
Buckler
Pistol
Longbow

Not the best kit, but characterful.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on March 09, 2009, 05:36:01 AM
We played last Friday.


I chased an Orc warband that was flanking me into a rout, meanwhile the other 3 players were killing eachother, which allowed me to collect warpstone.

The last man standing from the group of three then came after me, but failed his rout test just when reaching me...

I won by being the only one left on the table. Two of my warband were OOA, one recovered without further injury, the other (a youngblood) lost an eye. My other youngblood, on the other hand, gained a wound, I got 120 GC and 4 warpstone. Not a bad outing, I guess...
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Moxer on March 09, 2009, 07:31:12 AM
Sounds good!

The lost eye is -1 BS? That is not too bad. If a youngblood gets a severe wound (being stupid, -M and such) it is often better to get a new one as they are cheap, but the BS isn't that important.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 10, 2009, 09:44:03 AM
you came off great Soth,

Just use the youngblood as a expendable melee fighter now and spend th egolds on more troops and weapons, also make sur enow that you've played a game to get a lucky charm or two, 10g i think and may save your heros.

a blunderbuss may also prove to be useful to stop zergs towards your marksmen, and a second mace for the henchmen may prove useful with a sword for the main heroes (not young bloods)

what list did you end up going with in the end also?
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Moxer on March 10, 2009, 10:07:45 AM
With your gold try to get your warband 13 models strong to prevent early and unlucky rout tests.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on March 10, 2009, 10:25:10 AM
My list (by heart) :

2x3 marksmen (long)bows, maces.
1 swordsman, sword

captain, 2 champions, 2 youngbloods : mace

Captain had a helmet. That's about it.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Moxer on March 10, 2009, 11:32:29 AM
OK, so get additional weapons for your heroes: sword for the captain and maybe the champions, second mace for the young bloods.
The lone swordsman is a bit at a risk, if he is taken out in a game the whole "troop" ist taken out and will not get exp. If he dies the troop is lost completely.
Are the marksmen already maxed? I don't remember how many one can get.
So another swordman to bolster the troop would be good. Then another marksman (if possible) or swordsman to get to 13 models.

Lucky charms are really good, as duce said.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 10, 2009, 04:13:21 PM
agree, get your captain a bow, sword and mace, champions a 2nd mace each maybe a bow each fi you can spare it,

Young bloods can wait until the end to see if you have enough for a 2nd mace each i suppose.

for the 6 marksmen a 2nd mace too, and maybe a swordsman and as you prob can guess a sword for him and a mace for him and the existing swordsman.

its pretty boring to keep suggesting maces but they do get the job done and give you a second attack for cheap.

The reason i say take bows on the heroes is that you can advance and still fire with the champions and captain. that and your talking a possible 9 shots per turn of bow fire, most of it with BS4.

hope the campaigns  fun too  :icon_razz:

but make sure you go for a lucky charm atleast for the captain, loosing him is a real kick in the nuts this early in a campaign especially the cost.

@Moxer, hes allowed 7 marksmen so 1 more and hes maxed. but as you said the swordsman group is only one man, so it may be better to get a 2nd one to make sue the group's exp is not lost. 
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on March 10, 2009, 07:52:21 PM
My list after shopping (turns out I forgot about half my equipment, all my heroes already had dual maces, the captain even had a bow) :

Captain

Experience (x23); Leader; Free Dagger; Mace (x2); Normal Bow; Helmet; Military Discipline
1 Lucky Charm

Champion
Experience (x10); Free Dagger; Mace (x2); Normal Bow; Military Discipline

Champion
Experience (x9); Free Dagger; Mace (x2); Normal Bow; Military Discipline

Youngblood
Experience (x2); Wound +1 (x1); Free Dagger; Mace (x2); Military Discipline

Youngblood
Experience (x1); Free Dagger; Mace (x2); Military Discipline
1 Rope & Hook @ [5] GC
1 Blind in One Eye @

Marksmen (3)
Experience (x1); Free Dagger; Mace (x2); Longbow; Military Discipline

Marksmen (3)
Experience (x1); Free Dagger; Mace (x2); Longbow; Military Discipline

Swordsmen (2)
Experience (x1); Free Dagger; Mace (x1); Sword (x1); Expert Swordsman; Military Discipline

1 Treasury/Stash
   Gold Crowns (x3); Wyrdstone (x4)

Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Moxer on March 11, 2009, 07:31:14 AM
Ow, this band is no easy nut to crack, well done!
One tactical advice: Only heroes get EXP from kills, let the swordsmen knock over the foes and then charge in the youngbloods to finish off the prone/stunned enemy and reap exp!
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 11, 2009, 09:26:20 AM
Hats off to you Soth, that warband cant be picked for thigns wrong, you've a good amount of shooters, heroes equipment is traditional and good, and you've even scored a lucky charm so your being clever for your leader (Death of captains really really suck early on)

As is the list is solid, all we can attampt is to give ideas for the route yuo want to take with them.

a few to consider may be:

Blunderbuss on a few marksmen
hire the tilien (Spelling?) marksman for even more shooty fun
get 7th marksman
once your warband is maxed get a halfling cookbook etc for few more  members.
tool up everyone before even thinking of armour

I take it you haven't got lucky with a 6th hero yet?
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Von Kurst on March 12, 2009, 12:07:48 AM
Great to see Mordheim threads on the Tavern again!  We can go much longer without discussing Mordheim than DoW.  I blame the Tileans.

Nice job on your first game, Soth!  Whens the second?

I'd recommend breaking up the groups of Henchmen until the elusive 6th Hero is promoted.  It makes for fiddly record sheets but it speeds the rise through the ranks.

 :::cheers:::
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: MrDWhitey on March 12, 2009, 12:10:49 AM
Seeing people discuss it makes me want to play it.

Mmmhm, shouldn't be too hard to get some people trying it. If they'll play necromunda when they mostly play fantasy, I think I'm in for a shot.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on March 12, 2009, 04:56:51 AM
My next game is not yet planned. I have that kind of gaming group..

Hats off to you Soth

No, hats of to you, fellow forum members, who explained everything to me. This is as much your list as it is mine..
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 12, 2009, 11:33:38 AM
Well to be honest all we do is offer advice, its your warband and of course it will be modeled to suit your playing style,

my list was different to yours in the fact i went for the same amount of men but i had 2 more swordsmen and some men did not have 2nd weapons. kind of a trade off but I'm curious how you found the extra 2 marksmen, and did you split them into 3 groups of 2? or two groups of 3?

For mine i had 2 groups of 2 marksmen covering the two melee groups.

1 consisting of Captain, youngblood, champion and a swordsman. Other had the 2nd champion, youngblood and 2 swordsmen.

In a campaign I'd buy 2 more marksmen with normal bows / blunderbuss's prob and use them to move in behind the melee groups and  shotgun some enemy to the floor which the melee heroes could take out.

For your team I'd try to get one of the marksmen promoted and if your lucky you could get to the point where he could have a crossbow or long rifle and works as your deadly lone sniper who stays far enough away to worry about combat.

Mordheims a great game I'd love to play it more, especially as you can interlink the games with your WHFB's if you play it in villages or out in the wilderness like 40k kill teams.

As in the mordheim battles are small squads from your army working to fulfill an objective to make the WHFB easier on your main army aka commando style
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: McKnight on March 13, 2009, 08:15:51 PM
So basically im in the same situation like Soth. We are starting a campaign tomorrow.

But im playing undead instead of Reiklanders.

My list is the following:

Vampire with a mace and sword.

Necro with dagger

3 naked dregs

6 zombies
2 ghouls
2 direwolves


The idea is currently to use the vampire, ghouls and direwolves as hammers while zombies tie down the enemies.The really big downside is that im really vunerable to missile fire.
The dregs are just to survive and get some experience and help exploring. any advice?
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Von Kurst on March 13, 2009, 11:19:59 PM
You have too many zombies could stand to lose one or both of the wolves as well.

I'm just going to keep hammering the split your promotable henchmen up into single model 'groups' and get that Lads got Talent advance.  Ghouls are your only chance for this so take 4 or 5 and a couple of zombies for fodder.

Dregs will advance quickly and become quite formidable as well.  Your band will always suck at shooting but that can be remedied depending on the hired swords your group allows.  I always start with a warlock and an ogre bodyguard.  Pricey but the big guy will take hits for your more valuable heroes.

Sadly zombies are slow and are more suited to guarding a shy necromancer or shooty dreg than offensive maneuver.  In the beginning I just send the zombies out to be shot and rout when I can against the shooty warbands.  Income and advances are the key to a long warband life. :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: McKnight on March 14, 2009, 10:40:47 AM
I had thought of using a warlock! But he will be bought later in the game i think.

Hmm ill try to squeeze in another ghoul at the cost of a zombie.
Should i give the dregs weapons?
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Von Kurst on March 15, 2009, 02:42:00 AM
Yes I didn't mean to imply he should be bought with starting funds.  I mean they are the first hired swords I consider and I usually don't buy any until I have my heroes sorted out.  Or roll 3 6s during exploration...:icon_cool:

For weapons for the Dregs--clubs,hammers or maces to start or just another dagger.  My group plays with the Optional Critical Hit tables and the Edged Weapons are murder.  :icon_twisted:
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: McKnight on March 15, 2009, 11:07:05 AM
Ah yes I thought of hireing a warlock as the first priority to give me some more firepower.

Yes maces were my first thought as well.

But i suffered some hard casualties yesterday in our first game.
A zombie, direwolf and a ghoul were taken out of action and NONE recovered! ... i luckily got a zombie when rolling for exploration but. damn thats still 90 gc out of the window...
But atleast i was fairly lucky with the necros spell, he got Call of Vanhel
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 16, 2009, 09:32:40 AM
i think the dire wolves are a good choice, they may not beable to climb but a group of 2-3 move fast and can hit a flank or circle round behind a warband making the player really loose focus on your main assault or plans.

I'm not sure about undead since i'm the typical goodie goodie player who only plays humans or good / neutral sides.

Don't hire special chars unless your warbands almost maxed up, relying on them so early can criple your income and ability to expand.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: McKnight on March 16, 2009, 05:58:57 PM
But but... 2 spells! :P


Hmm direwolves are just so expensive and vulnerable.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Von Kurst on March 16, 2009, 10:41:56 PM
From my experience Dire Wolves are overpriced for their effectiveness. Buy ghouls at least they may contribute before being killed.

The Warlock is a 15 gc drain for 2 spells that might help you out.  15 is only a zombie, so its negligible unless you want that double handed weapon and can't afford it.  I always spend the money, but hey, I don't understand economics!

 :::cheers:::
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 17, 2009, 11:32:15 PM
So, this thing with everyone having double maces: Is it really that good? Because it sounds terribly boring.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Moxer on March 18, 2009, 07:23:49 AM
Rufes, yes and yes. Sadly the mordheim rules are lacking in places. There are rules for things you never do (jumping from the third story...) and other rules are unbalanced. (Armour way too expensive, cheap maces better than axes and too cheap compared to swords, spears and everything else; warbands are not well balanced versus each other.)

But all in all it is a fun game!
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: Duce on March 18, 2009, 09:12:44 AM
as moxer said it is indeed, 6gold gets you two attacks with no 6+ save like a dagger suffers and also can stun. for 10g your only getting a parry chance on a 6 instead for a sword.

axes only get better if ouyr enemies are armouring up and even then its kind of late on.

a small suggestion could be to make armour much cheaper, but thats another topic. this ones about Soths reiklanders of winning
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
That's a shame. I'd have thought something like that would have been fixed by now.  :icon_sad:


By the way, is it totally crazy for a Marienburg captain to start out with a brace of dueling pistols? It's quite expensive. But awesome. And flufftastic.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on March 18, 2009, 11:25:57 AM

They get extra gold for those purposes, so why not ?
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: McKnight on March 18, 2009, 11:27:25 AM
Hehe I would do that Rufus! They are harder to acquire later on when you start playing. So buy!
Pistols are awesome in mordheim, since they still shoot in the first turn of combat like in 6th edition.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2009, 12:28:34 PM
Excellent!

The double-pistolling captain model is just too good.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on March 18, 2009, 12:48:18 PM
Guess who'll be getting pincushioned by my archers, though...
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2009, 12:49:38 PM
Some random decoy, I should think.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: warhammerlord_soth on March 18, 2009, 01:02:53 PM
Like this one ?


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3057/2562651370_c27336d7c5.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2009, 01:08:29 PM
Yes, that's the sort of thing.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: MrDWhitey on March 18, 2009, 01:12:16 PM
I would use this as my decoy:

(http://anorakzoneforum.informe.com/wiki/images/a/a9/GorgeousAnnPhwoar.jpg)
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2009, 01:13:49 PM
Are you trying to compete with shadowlord at 'who can post the most horrible image?'
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: MrDWhitey on March 18, 2009, 01:14:47 PM
Well, not intentionally, but if I play Mordheim I will have a minor member of my warband holding a giant sign with that picture on it.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2009, 01:15:30 PM
At least it's not a picture of Thatcher.
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: MrDWhitey on March 18, 2009, 01:17:11 PM
Ironically, I use that above pic as my spray on Team Fortress 2, and Thatcher is next to be used.

Don't tempt me.

Perhaps:

(http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/gallery/2005/03/23/MargaretThatcher.jpg)

With the caption "Burn the Witch!"
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: rufus sparkfire on March 18, 2009, 01:18:53 PM
Is that Thatcher, or the Reagan puppet in a wig?
Title: Re: First Mordheim Game - List needed
Post by: MrDWhitey on March 18, 2009, 01:19:27 PM
Maybe with keeping costs down it was both.  :icon_biggrin: