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Offline mwalsh867

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OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« on: July 26, 2009, 06:22:39 PM »
This is how we've been test playing helblasters for awhile ... well, since about a week after the new army book.  I've mentioned it here and there, but this might be a good place to get a lot of opinions.

The change is very simple.  Take the current helblaster, as is, and remove the last paragraph about 'to hit' rolls.  Then, change the point value to 160.

Thoughts?
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Offline iatroblast

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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2009, 01:17:02 AM »
Well...
Bringing back the 'old-school' rules huh? :laugh: why not? I think it's fair enough...after all it's a Rare choice and will probably misfires more than one!(if you're lucky enough! :-P)

I would vote for this, or we can keep it as it is, with the exception being a special choise instead! Why not? In my opinion, all machines should be special choises (except Steam Tank!!) Is a Volleygun better than a Great Cannon? :roll:
« Last Edit: August 14, 2009, 11:53:00 PM by iatroblast »

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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2009, 03:52:04 PM »

 Is a Volleygun better than a Great Cannon? :roll:

When it comes to making one yes.   After all all a great cannon is is a long tube of brass or iron.   Volley guns are much more complex

Offline Skyros

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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2009, 09:30:26 PM »
The last thing the empire army book needs is more special options. Empire already has a plethora of good special options, and not very many good rare options.

Offline Rodman49

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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2009, 12:28:26 AM »
I mean, the volley gun doesn't look great on paper but you pay 110 points for a weapon that has great area denial potential and may win you the game every now and then.
« Last Edit: November 24, 2009, 06:24:13 AM by Rodman49 »

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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2009, 07:02:07 PM »
I mean, the volley gun doesn't look great on paper but you pay 110 for a weapon that has great area denial potential and may when you the game every now and then.

You accidentally the whole game?
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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2009, 02:50:33 PM »
bunkka, your post makes even less sense than rodman's, but that may have been the intention ;)

I think it's a good idea, but keep it rare.
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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2009, 01:15:23 AM »
The last thing the empire army book needs is more special options. Empire already has a plethora of good special options, and not very many good rare options.

I agree, Empire has already a great number of special choices but no brainer rare options (Helblasters and Steamtanks! Flaggies? WHy?) and given the limited slots allocated to each choice, you have to leave out certain things most of the time given the army construction template you have.

To cure this problem, either change how organisational slots are used in the core rule book or make the Helblaster so awesome, even the Stank is outshined! (which is unlikely... GW wants you the buy that Stank model yer know? And at least two!)


Offline Rodman49

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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2009, 06:25:01 AM »
bunkka, your post makes even less sense than rodman's, but that may have been the intention ;)

I think it's a good idea, but keep it rare.

Oops.  Fixed.  I think the Helblaster is 100% fine as is.

Offline Empireguard

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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2009, 10:17:14 PM »
Oops.  Fixed.  I think the Helblaster is 100% fine as is.

Yes I think so too with one exception get rid of the blowing up on a 6 thing. I mean the thing 3 times less reliable that a cannon already as you roll three dice a turn I think thats enough, with the 6 killing it is 6 times less relable. So have the misfire as

1-Explodes crew killed.
2-3 Remaining shots canít fire and may not fire next turn
4-5 Remaining shots canít fire
6 Remaining shots all count as 10.

Itís a small change but I think itís needed. It might actually survive a game without exploding this way. 

Donít take it back to the way it was. Yes I did like getting that may hits but it was overpowered.
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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2009, 10:54:31 PM »

 Is a Volleygun better than a Great Cannon? :roll:

When it comes to making one yes.   After all all a great cannon is is a long tube of brass or iron.   Volley guns are much more complex

Which are several tubes of iron or brass...  :-D

Anyways, I actually like the volley gun as is. It's not as great of a skirmisher demolisher as it used to be, but it's still an excellent area denial tool and a good bit of comic relief with its roll of '6' on the misfire chart...  :icon_mrgreen:


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Re: OPTIONS Empire: Helblaster
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2010, 05:17:18 AM »

 Is a Volleygun better than a Great Cannon? :roll:

When it comes to making one yes.   After all all a great cannon is is a long tube of brass or iron.   Volley guns are much more complex

Which are several tubes of iron or brass...  :-D

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And therefore several times as complex lol