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Title: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Sharkbelly on February 20, 2021, 03:38:33 PM
Here are the pictures from today's reveal.

Heroes
(https://ageofsigmar.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2021/02/CursedCity_AllHeros.png)

Adversaries
(https://ageofsigmar.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2021/02/CursedCity_AllVillans.png)

Tiles
(https://ageofsigmar.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2021/02/CursedCity_TerrianMarkers.png)

Books
(https://ageofsigmar.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2021/02/CursedCity_Books.png)

Game
(https://ageofsigmar.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2021/02/CursedCity_FullProductShot.png)

Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 04:14:07 PM
Okay, I love pretty much all of that.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 20, 2021, 04:31:56 PM
That is a lot  of crud stuff. :icon_eek:

I'm imagining that it's going to be pricey. :icon_neutral:

Looks like a roleplaying game and a half, with plenty of nasty McEvils for the adventurers to face.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 04:52:57 PM
It looks slightly bigger then the other Warhammer Quest games, so I am expecting something of a price increase. Which is sad, but I really like everything so far.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 04:55:51 PM
Just for comparison, here's the last two Quest games.

It looks very similar to Blackstone Fortress. (Which is easily one of my favorite games with great models.)

(https://icv2.com/images/article_thumbs/650x650_aa80a81078a43b2ace8b23d00d48a419bb62bd8036c71ad06e38c56a.jpg)

And here's Silver Tower which is the last AoS Quest game.

(https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/60010799002_WHQSilverTowerENG01.jpg)
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 05:02:10 PM
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/LM5R5RwWKwkeBM3p.jpg)
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 20, 2021, 05:37:31 PM
This boxed set could be able to fit into a fantasy roleplaying campaign I've got going on with nephews.

If I recall correctly, isn't Blackstone Fortress a sci-fi game?
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 05:38:48 PM
Yup Blackstone Fortress is the 40k version of Warhammer Quest, but technically they're all under the same label, or division I guess. Warhammer Quest is what they call their more roleplay/board game style box sets. So Blackstone Fortress, Silver Tower, Hammerhall or whatever it was called, and now this one.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Artobans Ghost on February 20, 2021, 05:40:51 PM
That’s a nice box set. Really tempted although the cost may be dear. It will probably sell out quick to
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 20, 2021, 05:44:44 PM
Yep, I suspect saving my pennies is going to be wise ... it just looks like too good of a set not to pick one up.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 05:54:26 PM
Yeah I actually cancelled several birthday purchases to put money aside for this!

This is one of the bad guys in the image above, but it turns out its a vampire oger!

(https://preview.redd.it/07vn5eb1cni61.jpg?width=561&auto=webp&s=339489686fa19ef518ff4f37e39606b62f193fb8)

Very Kislev themed to.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 06:03:45 PM
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"Radukar the Wolf saved the city in its darkest hour, but his benevolence didn’t last. Claiming the Ebon Citadel, he surrounded himself with fiends, lackeys, and fellow creatures of the dark, forming his Thirsting Court. For a time peace reigned. Then came the Shyish Necroquake, and the Wolf found himself infused with dark power.

Sallying forth from his castle, Radukar and his court embarked on a murderous rampage. Some were deemed worthy of the Blood Kiss and were turned into vampires themselves – countless others were left as corpses strewn across the streets. The city now stands on the precipice of total doom. Are there any that would risk their lives and their very souls to save it?"
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 20, 2021, 06:10:23 PM
He'll make a good bad guy in the streets and underworld of the city that I've placed well south of Tobaro.

Or perhaps I might place him in command of some ruinous mountain side tower to the west of the city.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 06:12:55 PM
I'm already planning to slot more or less the whole city on some islands my campaign group as been fighting over. We have a long running narrative that our wars have caused an increase in pirates and other nairdowells gathering in the islands. I like the idea of a undead city rules over by a vampire ogre giving shelter in exchange for food.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: S.O.F on February 20, 2021, 07:14:22 PM
Very Kislev themed to.

Kislev styled Man Eater is this fellows future for me.

I will most certainly be picking this up. Only the server tray zombies I find a bit crappy, and Dwarf Skycaptain of tomorrow not really interested in. The rest looks all good. Paladin lady clearly getting a quartered red and blue with stars and suns coat of arms.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 20, 2021, 07:25:12 PM
I am very meh on the zombies. Someone on reddit was saying all the undead are very eastern european themed, and vampiric folklore there actually does include burying a possible zombie face down with a stake through the heart. So I finally that element really neat, but also means these guys were buried like 2 feet underground tops and then brought the whole tombstone with them.

Dwarf guy I do really like though. A much grittier kharadron. I'm thinking I'll change up the backpack thing and make him a monster hunting pirate captain.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 20, 2021, 07:29:35 PM
Dwarf is a bit too steam punk for me, could've put a crossbow or handgun in his hand it would have been more to  my liking.

Perhaps the zombies can skip or clip off the things on their backs? And maybe even the dwarf can be converted.  He's got a mini-harpoon?

I'm also thinking the painting on the dwarf could be different and it'd might change my view of the figure.

Some of the others aren't perfect, the wizard with the too long beard, although perfection isn't needed.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Rowsdower on February 21, 2021, 11:41:01 AM
The models look incredible but i'm going to pass at $300.00 Au
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 21, 2021, 12:25:16 PM
If its $300 in au, that'll be $235 in US or there abouts.

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A video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Utm-5kU94
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 21, 2021, 01:36:24 PM
Thinking on the price ... there's been a rumor that the boxed set would cost $300 in US.  I suspect that's a plant price by some unknown GW higher up employee, so that when they release it with the real price, then folks won't complain as much.  Drop a high sticker rumor, and then folks will be more accepting of a lesser, yet still higher than previous prices.

Plus remember ... the Indomitus boxed set was $170 via GW initially, and typically $199 in local hobby stores around here.  So I am guessing $235 in U.S. dollars isn't far off from what it'll actually be, if not the actual price.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Artobans Ghost on February 21, 2021, 04:13:54 PM
I think the 235 price is very reasonable. 50 miniatures plus every else. I have no problem paying that. Cdn amount adjusted of course. If I’m lucky I can get in the first 30 seconds it comes out. 😺
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 21, 2021, 04:15:27 PM
245 was almost exactly what I bet a friend, so I cans see 235.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 21, 2021, 05:48:17 PM
I'll be calling my favorite local game shop, and "preordering".  He won't even need to take my money, he knows I'm good for it.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on February 22, 2021, 06:33:55 PM
Todays article is a deeper look into the fluff behind the Cursed City, including how the vampire took over. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/02/22/the-one-alliance-that-turned-prosperous-mournhold-into-the-cursed-city/
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 22, 2021, 09:34:08 PM
Read all the fluff, including the stuff on the link Cursed City site page and the map on it.  It's working in a way, although not my favorite style.  Some of the reluctance to go with it lies in it being a bit too much over the top for me, almost as if  magic is explaining a lot, yet fantasy being what it is, there is a sense of it that is good enough.  Adapting and playing with the ideas, is likely a good way to go.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on February 22, 2021, 10:35:41 PM
Lots of cool stuff in there, heroes are great and I'm liking a lot of the bad guys too, big Kislev vibes throughout.

Skellies are a little bit underwhelming if I'm honest, they look a bit like drag acts stumbling out of a nightclub, somebody clearly didn't like the idea of sculpting boney feet! Zombies are interesting but not sure on all the adornments, every one of them has a grave attached to it's shoulders? Sometimes less is more GW!

Anyway, on the whole it looks to be heading in a good direction, but like the rest of you guys I inevitably won't be impressed by the price!  :-P
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Warlord on February 23, 2021, 11:24:52 PM
If its $300 in au, that'll be $235 in US or there abouts.

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A video ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1Utm-5kU94

Not how GW do price conversion for our market unfortunately.

If its $235 US it will probably be $370 for us because they gouge us like crazy.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: S.O.F on February 23, 2021, 11:29:45 PM
If its $235 US it will probably be $370 for us because they gouge us like crazy.

It's just paying back to the old home country the debts from the many petty crimes of Australia's illustrious 'settlers'.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Warlord on February 23, 2021, 11:31:05 PM
To be fair, South Australia was actually settled by settlers. And they never let you forget it.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on February 24, 2021, 12:13:40 AM
Today there have been folks pooh poohing the large sized price guesses and rumors.  One guy mentioned he was expecting it would perhaps be around 125 pounds = 175 dollars.  That seems a reasonable guess, especially when the Indomitus starter set was going for between $175 and $200 dollars around here.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Rowsdower on February 25, 2021, 05:49:38 AM
Today there have been folks pooh poohing the large sized price guesses and rumors.  One guy mentioned he was expecting it would perhaps be around 125 pounds = 175 dollars.  That seems a reasonable guess, especially when the Indomitus starter set was going for between $175 and $200 dollars around here.
You must never pooh-pooh a pooh-pooh. I knew a general once who pooh-pooh'd a pooh-pooh. He had to dismantle an entire division. Morale completely destroyed by pooh-pooh
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Sharkbelly on February 25, 2021, 08:35:37 AM
Today there have been folks pooh poohing the large sized price guesses and rumors.  One guy mentioned he was expecting it would perhaps be around 125 pounds = 175 dollars.  That seems a reasonable guess, especially when the Indomitus starter set was going for between $175 and $200 dollars around here.

Sounds about right. Blackstone Fortress is going for 125 euros, so I think 125-150 euros for Cursed City would be a good fit.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 01, 2021, 07:40:28 PM
New model previews. They say its for Ulfenkarn, but likely not in the main box set. So an expansion planned already?

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This well-dressed fellow hails from the Vyrgos Dynasty of Soulblight Vampires. As you can probably tell from his fancy attire, Kritza was once counted among the nobility of Ulfenkarn (which you can read about in our first Cursed City crier). Unfortunately, his attempts to secretly undermine the lord of the land led him to an ill fate, and he was horribly mauled by Radukar the Wolf.

Against all odds, Kritza escaped by heaving himself into a Corpse Cart and playing dead among the lifeless bodies it carried. He sustained his ravaged body by feasting upon the blood of the rats he found gnawing on the corpses stowed alongside him. Kritza soon discovered he’d unwittingly been granted the Blood Kiss by his ferocious assailant and was slowly evolving into one of the Soulblight.

You may have noticed the Rat Prince’s fabulous (or should that be verminous?) cloak and somewhat murine appearance. Well, it appears that his unorthodox transformation into a vampire had some unusual side-effects. In addition to being accompanied by his ‘vermintide’ of rats – both living and undead – Kritza can transform into a swarm of rodents to evade his foes.

(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/QpJDy0OgPdkZPTD5.jpg)

(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/z1zG23H5VZfDmNhA.jpg)
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 01, 2021, 08:34:10 PM
7 tails at the backside of that cloak, so must be rats.  Unless it's a land surfing octopus whose lost one of his tentacles.

And interestingly ... it looks like he has 7 giant rat pelts hanging off his shoulders.  However, it is another vampire figure that some folks will be thrilled with having.

Not surprised they'd be wanting to expand off of this game, it seems to be their current trend with all the various game systems they've been selling.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 01, 2021, 11:21:08 PM
I like the model, but honestly I'm more likely to use it in D&D or with 40k as a Rogue Trader. I kinda dig the rat look, although maybe not the tails.

I'm not at all surprised they're going to make expansions. I'm more surprised they'd be previewing expansions before the box set even releases!
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 01, 2021, 11:44:50 PM
I agree.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 02, 2021, 12:03:05 AM
Rumor has it that this figure might be released with the upcoming novel of Cursed City that is said to be on it's way.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on March 02, 2021, 12:05:35 PM
Seems like quite an interesting dynamic being created with this guy. He's a vampire but clearly an enemy of Radukar the Wolf? So is he technically going to be another "hero"? More of an antihero of sorts? Or is there an entirely new faction coming into play neither good nor bad? Are we going to get a vampire heading up some weird Skaveny-undead hybrids!?  :icon_eek:

Hmm...

On the whole he's pretty cool and I'm definitely digging the direction this Cursed City is heading in, I like the dark and gritty stuff more than the flashy magicy stuff.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 02, 2021, 04:27:03 PM
Pretty classically the only thing vampires hate more then the living, is other rival vampires. I think he's being set up to be on the 'hero' side, but one who likely plans to take the city for themselves once the current boss is over thrown.

They also seem to be putting a fair bit of effort into making sure all these (especially the udead) will work good with the coming soulblight gravelords (Essentially vampire counts) update thats coming soon.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Warlord on March 03, 2021, 12:41:22 AM
Surely GraveBlight SoulLords makes more sense as a name :roll:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 03, 2021, 01:18:54 AM
TimeSoul lords!
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Syphon on March 03, 2021, 02:54:51 PM
Doodads! Doodads everywhere! Yeah, they look good but the ever-present doodads turn me off so much. Still, that vampire ogre looks pretty swiggy swaggity.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 03, 2021, 05:36:19 PM
Been having second though about this set.  Been seeing how many projects I already have in the works, and how many more have been barely if at all touched, and contemplating this could be another set sitting on my shelf for who knows how long.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Warlord on March 03, 2021, 10:27:13 PM
I am hearing its an issue of shelf space. If you want GP you can buy it for me, and ship it here so it can sit on my shelf  :wink:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 03, 2021, 11:29:47 PM
 :icon_lol: :::cheers:::

I'm seeing myself using the skeletons, but those dudes with the gravestones on their backs bug me, and evidently the guy with the big spade, who also doesn't do it for me, needs to show the zombies it's ok to leave the rock slabs behind after he's dug them up to live again.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 04, 2021, 12:16:52 AM
Big spade man looks straight out of Darkest Dungeon, which is a win for me but a very different ascetic then we normally see. I'd also agree the zombies are the weakest look. There's part of it I dig (Like solid references to Eastern European folklore), but overall its not as fantastic as they tried for.

Pretty much all the hero characters look awesome, and the vast majority of bad guys as well. The undead ogres are a bit on the thin side, but from the little bit of lore I've seen I think it makes sense how they'd waste away.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 04, 2021, 01:56:05 AM
With the zombies, wondering if I take those grave stones off their backs, how much trouble it'll be to convert their backs.  Painting them as is will be trouble enough.  I like they included a bat and some rats, maybe as familiars for the wizard dude, except the bat could represent a vampire in bat form.  The Ogres do look good, the skeletons seem to have an eastern European/Byzantine look to them.  The tall demon beast thing will be great as a terrifying monster creature.  I just hope the hero figures don't tower over so many other figures that I have.

Plus, waiting to see on the cost.  If it is really wacked, then that'll slow me down further.  It is tough to substantiate this purchase even without a bonkers price, because curbing my enthusiasm for filling more storage space with unused product, is not my idea of what I want to be doing with projects.  And there is the issue of having so many games to play, sheesh.  What a silly hobby.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on March 04, 2021, 10:48:31 AM
I just hope the hero figures don't tower over so many other figures that I have.

This will be the biggest annoyance I reckon, I think I will probably end up trying to get hold of the minis but next to 4th/5th ed state troops they're going to make them look like halflings! :laugh:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Rowsdower on March 04, 2021, 09:09:24 PM
Reminds me of Monty pythons hospital ward for overacting. It was full of King rats
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on March 12, 2021, 10:08:53 AM
Does anybody know whether a release or pre-order date has been set for this yet?

I'm always loathed to purchase the full sets of these things because I have no need of the dice and markers etc. that come along with it, but I do normally try to pick up the miniatures I like afterwards from people who buy them to split them. This set however seems to be quite full of interesting minis so might take the plunge and flog the useless stuff afterwards...

Any ideas on timescales?
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 12, 2021, 05:32:28 PM
I believe they said sometime in April. Possibly with preorder the last weekend of March, but I dont think they've given specifics.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 22, 2021, 04:21:25 PM
They revealed another new vampire thats coming for the Cursed City. They also confirmed that the special card that comes with the novel is not the Rat Prince or this one, but instead a rather generic looking death wizard. So expansion at some point confirmed?

(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/4bSLQIbLDnn6aNBf.jpg)
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Victor on March 22, 2021, 05:41:01 PM
Why are they tiptoeing? And what's with the floating hair on all the vampires?
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 22, 2021, 06:09:46 PM
Anime power pose!
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 22, 2021, 07:17:45 PM
I was having second thoughts on buying this set before, mostly due to the undead with the gravestones, and my quantity of other projects already in process.  With the possibility of the skeletons coming out in their own set, a third reason not to buy has been added.  Wouldn't like missing out on some of the character buys (yet with what might be the height towering over my other 28s, maybe not), although apparently some of the characters will be available singly, the rat vamp as an example.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 22, 2021, 11:36:09 PM
If its like the other quest sets, most of the characters will become avaible eventually. Although I think most of the blackstone guys arent sold separately and its been over a year for that.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 23, 2021, 04:14:31 PM
Interesting article up giving a look at how characters in the Cursed City can level up over adventures and get more powerful. Looks like a much more upgraded version of Blackstone Fortress for example.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/23/how-to-get-even-faster-tougher-or-more-murder-y-in-warhammer-quest-cursed-city/
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on March 23, 2021, 05:07:52 PM
Why are they tiptoeing? And what's with the floating hair on all the vampires?

I agree with this, they seem to be over-egging it a bit with some elements, it looks constantly windy and one of the other lady vamps previewed earlier on looks to be tippy-toeing on top of a small rock?...

I used to prefer the more elegant vampires if I'm honest but anyhu, all in all this new Soulblight Gravelord *ahem Vampire Counts ahem* stuff is hitting the spot. Similar the GP I'm torn with the idea of getting the whole set, I MIGHT just wait to buy the minis from an eBay scalper but save the hassle of having to shift the other ancillary stuff. Got some pondering and bank balance checking to do methinks.

Also on a totally separate note, does anybody else find it really difficult these days actually keeping up to date with things that are available for their various factions, given that they seem to get tiny releases for all manner of different 'boxed games' and don't appear to be shown anywhere all under one faction?! Just me?
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on March 23, 2021, 09:42:04 PM
No, its hugely confusing I agree. Theyre constantly releasing drips and draps here and there, things are filed under all kinds of different names. Box set stuff is banished to an entirely different part of the website, only for them to change it when they feel like it without telling anyone, and then itll just vanish completely.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on March 24, 2021, 09:57:05 AM
Aah good, so it's not just me :engel:

I just constantly find that I KNOW something exists, and will fit into XYZ army, but if it was part of a boxed release or one of these mini teams games I have no idea where the hell it's hiding!

Anyway, I digress...
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 25, 2021, 02:15:57 PM
This guy uses 35 different paints on top of the primer to paint the Ulfenguard vampire lord ...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgQkJrbqYhE

Got to imagine he can be done simpler than that.  However, GW doesn't just sell miniatures, it sells paints too, including the new contrast paint no less.

(GP ... are you being cynical?)

Nah, not me. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Syphon on March 26, 2021, 05:43:07 PM
THIRTY-FIVE PAINTS?! ... sweet jaysis in Heaven what the hell.

Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on March 28, 2021, 10:15:38 PM
According to Warhammer Community, Cursed City goes on pre-order next Saturday...

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/28/sunday-preview-enter-the-cursed-city/ (https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/03/28/sunday-preview-enter-the-cursed-city/)
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Sharkbelly on March 29, 2021, 08:59:58 AM
Yes! I am very excited to order a copy, but I have a feeling it will take a while to arrive in this corner of Europe.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 31, 2021, 03:44:16 PM
Heard today that Cursed City will be 125 pounds, and in the U.S. probably $210 USD, this was much like the Warcry Catacombs box set.

Pre-orders start this weekend and go for a week.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on March 31, 2021, 04:13:56 PM
Heard today that Cursed City will be 125 pounds...

Where may I ask did you hear this? Not an interrogation, just intrigue :engel:

I am still weighing up the pros and cons of buying outright and flogging the game elements, or just picking up the minis from an eBay scalper. There's a lot of minis in the box so I'm thinking the long run may be cheaper to buy the full thing and recoup a bit selling the bits I don't want/need...
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 31, 2021, 04:18:00 PM
Youtube ... no that such is the end all or be all.

It seemed to say the English price had been confirmed, but not the US price.

I hadn't considered breaking up the box for just the figures, and selling some of the figures ... hmmm.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on March 31, 2021, 04:28:35 PM
I hadn't considered breaking up the box for just the figures, and selling some of the figures ... hmmm.

Aah this is the debate! In the past I've only ever fancied ones and twos of the minis from these boxed released so have got them off eBay. Cursed City however is the other way around, there's a lot I like as I've got both human and undead armies anyway, would just need to flog the game boards , dice, cards etc. that are of no use to me... and probably that space age dwarf :laugh:

I have a few other bits and bobs I need to list and get shut of anyway.

If what you hear is correct, think £125 might be a green light...
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on March 31, 2021, 05:20:22 PM
Who'd want the game parts with out the minis?

The miniatures are pretty much what I'd buy the box to have.  I would deep six the undead with stones on their backs, and yes maybe the squat too, although perhaps even the dude with the big shovel as well.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on April 01, 2021, 04:10:38 AM
I dont think I'll play the actual game, although if its like Blackstone then I'm actually expecting it to be pretty good. i just rarely have the time for it! But I suspect itll be cheaper to get the box then go through ebay scalpers. It usually is.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 03, 2021, 11:58:16 PM
So apparently GW ran out of Cursed City copies in 75 minutes this morning.  Many folks tried reserving their copy, but the website got overloaded with folks probably trying to do the same thing.

Evidently that leaves a good number of days in front where the pre-order was suppose to happen, and it is now questionable if it will.

However, the rumor is that a second run will be made available.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on April 04, 2021, 01:45:11 AM
It seems super unlikely they wont make another run. This wasn't said to be a limited run thing, its a new major box set. Itll likely just take them ages to produce more.

Of course maybe GW will decided they really like this limited thing and roll with it,
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Sharkbelly on April 04, 2021, 11:35:30 AM
I ordered one through my local shop. Here's hoping it works out!

I think this game will be the start of a new Soulblight Gravelords army for me. My first real Age of Sigmar army. The models are so cool, and they fit with the Underworlds undead stuff that I have been getting. Vampire Counts were my first Warhammer army around *ahem 20 years ago, so I think it is fitting that they are my first AoS army too...
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on April 04, 2021, 02:09:23 PM
What is dead can never die! Including a cool undead ascetic!
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on April 04, 2021, 07:32:53 PM
An interesting review of the game and rules. https://www.goonhammer.com/warhammer-quest-cursed-city-the-goonhammer-review/
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 04, 2021, 09:24:29 PM
Yes, seems to be worth the read, thank you for the link! :::cheers:::

So the author of that article cautions against thinking these figures can immediately be used as the new Soulblight dudes.  Doesn't sound good based on what he provides as info on it.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on April 04, 2021, 11:58:36 PM
Indeed, sounds like the undead stuff is very poorly set up to be a base for a new undead army. I am hearing a lot of rumours saying the rules in the box are so poor is because they're getting updated ones in the actual book, and they purposely made them like this to not give away special rules and such that are planned. Honestly I dont know if I believe it, or if its just people telling themselves soothing rumours to feel better.

I'm glad the game itself is getting good reviews though, and I'm mostly interested in it from a collecting perspective anyway. If they do end up in games it'll more likely be D&D ones.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 05, 2021, 12:30:29 AM
Yes, I could see these as being for roleplaying, although said similar before.  Strangely, I didn't even try to sign up, and was even chatting with a local store owner recently while not bothering to order one yet.

Not sure if I ordered, then that fitting in the game is likely, yet good to know it is being received relatively well.  Perhaps I will  still order a copy.

However, I have purchased Vanguard Space Marine, Chaos Marines (original version), and Scion start collecting sets.  I have a current Chaos Marines start collecting set on order as well.  Been gravitating towards 40K again, have read the rules through further back last year, and looking forward to  eventually getting in a game at some point.

But I digress. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Sharkbelly on April 05, 2021, 04:30:45 PM
Oh my goodness.... gorgeous models! So it looks like both sides in the Cursed City will be represented in new Battletomes.

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/04/05/this-dad-and-daughter-duo-just-love-hunting-witches-together/

(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/gyIpm0RO19Gl61Fi.jpg)
(https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/1rC3UiFCHtyAPIto.jpg)
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on April 06, 2021, 10:11:24 AM
Oh wow... those two... I'm speechless...

 :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on April 06, 2021, 10:47:44 AM
They seem to be nailing the aesthetic pretty well for human factions with the Cursed City and these two witch hunters... Maybe the future is bright for our beloved Empire afterall?... :?
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Victor on April 06, 2021, 03:10:18 PM
They look a bit 40k-ish, but could be converted into great Witch Hunters with some (small) alterations.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on April 06, 2021, 03:41:20 PM
Like I was saying in the rumours thread, I think they look great myself. Very much like the older finecast witchhunter they put out. The scale of the crossbow looks a bit strange to me but I spent a fair bit of time looking into it and it actually seems fairly historically accurate for a heavier crossbow. The women also comes with an alternate head option with a sweet hat and I hope the guy does as well.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 06, 2021, 05:05:32 PM
I like those figures better than the one's being released in the Cursed City set.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Warlord on April 06, 2021, 11:59:34 PM
Both of those are fantastic.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on April 07, 2021, 11:02:12 AM
If these were dubbed as 'the first' of some new releases I assume we're probably going to be getting some more Witch Hunters to accompany these two heroes? Maybe a Witch Hunter warband so to speak?... minions with torches, stakes and crossbows, flaggies, a priest etc. very much in the same mould as the Mordheim unit perhaps, just with an AoS flavour... :?
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on April 13, 2021, 09:28:18 AM
My copy of Cursed City arrived yesterday so like a giddy child on Christmas I have of course already dived in and put together the heroes and the big villains, I've just got all the skellies and zombies left to do. Only afterwards I realised I'll have to carefully dis-assemble them (they're push-fit) to be able to clean off the mould lines and eventually paint in sub-assemblies... :unsure:

Never Mind! :-P

I must admit, I was always dubious of the push-fit minis but I have to say, whoever designs the sprues for them must be pretty ingenious as they do go together quite nicely, they somehow seem able to have a slightly better dynamism than most other stuff? I dunno.

Downside however is of course the dreaded scale-creep. I'm working on my Empire artillery atm so had the (newer) metal mortar crew on my work table, the gunner comes to mid-chest on the Kislev-y looking noble guy with the pistol! :dry:

I'll have to compare them to the later Empire generals etc. that were always that bit bulkier themselves.

Maybe I should change my army to be Stirlanders, then it'll be ok for the rank and file to be tiny malnourished children alongside their giant noble overlords! :happy:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 13, 2021, 11:14:48 AM
Yep, the size increase isn't convincing me. :icon_sad:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on April 13, 2021, 12:41:03 PM
Just compared them to a few others. My noble Empire Captain, made using the plastic General on foot body, even with the snootiest of snooty expressions, head tilted backward looking down his nose in disgust at the world, stands roughly forehead to chin with the same Kislevvy pistol man (sure he has a name somewhere!). This is based on a level footing as well, bear in mind the 32mm bases are a couple of mm deeper than other bases too so my noble was elevated so both their feet were on a flat level with one another.

All in all they're just about passable amongst the latter generation taller Empire guys, I don't think anyone would notice in passing, the latter day heroes were increasing in size themselves anyway, but they do tend to make the older generation blokes look like bearded 12yr olds! :-P

So nothing new I guess :biggriin:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on April 13, 2021, 12:42:37 PM
I will also settle on a way to host my pictures at some point so I can actually show the crap I bang on about... :dry:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 16, 2021, 11:48:54 AM
Rumor has it that Games Workshop will not be selling Cursed City via website any further at this point.  The rumor continues with the idea that it will be available via gaming stores, but not direct order.

Not feeling as if I'm missing out.  Probably could get a copy via a store if I hunt one up.  However, my interest level has really tanked out, and I'm sticking with working on the other various projects that I am enjoying or looking forward to starting.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 16, 2021, 12:35:35 PM
Ha, uh boy.  I have just heard this morning that stores are not going to be restocked with copies of Cursed City, and stores are supposably now offering refunds on the rumored 2nd wave of this release.  Seems like there's now going to be a good bit of disappointment by some.

If this is true, and ya stop and think about this, it is really a bit crazy.  How are they going to support a game that a person can't even purchase?  Something is clearly not working for them on this product, and GW has made their one off profit, and are moving along.  Although perhaps there will be a reprint someday, but not unless GW thinks they'll make more money off of that.

Can't get my hopes up on a product being available for purchase or for that matter the potential for rumored expansions, if this going to be a one off release, run and dumped.  Sorry GW, ya didn't get my dollars on this product, and so glad ya didn't.  Besides, those zombies carrying gravestones really do reduce the value of this product anyway for those interested in gaming with such miniatures outside the game itself.

Sense my mind saying "Goodnight Irene", except this is something really not worth killing one's self over.  May those who have a copy enjoy, and may those who don't, also enjoy what they do have and can obtain with the hobby anyway. :::cheers:::
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 16, 2021, 12:57:49 PM
And now I'm hearing that some local stores in the US haven't received their orders of this game at all.

Wow, what a mess if they never receive it ever, talk about hurting customers by not providing a retailer with their "pre-order". :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 16, 2021, 01:04:30 PM
There's no way I am ever pre-ordering a GW product.  Nope, not going to happen if they can't come through on all the marketing they crank out.

It's got to be a bummer for those who really looking forward to this, and may have it rough getting what they wanted.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Artobans Ghost on April 16, 2021, 01:17:43 PM
Does seem to be a screw up for sure. No normal reason for such a good product to go sideways
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 16, 2021, 01:30:04 PM
My understanding is that this product was originally intended for release last October.  My guess is they continued with the release anyway when they ran into the delays, and pumped it up to make sure it all sells, so they don't lose too much money, and perhaps at least break even, or make what profit they can before it all goes to the pot.  Meanwhile ... planning to already discontinue the line up of support for it anyway, and perhaps reprint it when they get back to having some sense of normality when it comes to delays.

For an independent retailer who doesn't receive their copies, best they can do is issue refunds to their customers on the so-called "pre-orders", and then get back to being creative on how to run their shops.  And beware of GW product pushes in the future, so as to reduce expectations from their customers as best they can.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 16, 2021, 01:56:06 PM
Interestingly ... White Dwarf 463 has no mention of Cursed City.  Nada, nothing.  Usually a new product is featured when the product is released.

Also, there's got to be some sort of issue going on because even the Blackstone Fortress game is currently out of stock on the UK website, and the Ascension and Annual products for Blackstone Fortress are no longer listed on the site as well.

The US site does have Blackstone Fortress available, but even they don't have any other Warhammer Quest products being sold either.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on April 16, 2021, 04:45:00 PM
Wow, didn't know any of this had occurred, feel kinda lucky to have got my set now even if it was just for the figures!

Maybe I'll hold onto the game boards etc. and see if they become some sort of sought after cult classic in the years to come!
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on April 16, 2021, 05:59:10 PM
its turned into a total shit show ya. Theyve announced now that it actually IS a limited run and sadly no one said so at any point leading up to it. If stores got their copies they might have some, but they cant even gurantee that stores got as many as they ordered.

Worryingly, its also not the first time GW has had this 'accident'.

Blackstone going out isn't hugely surprising. They have essentially phased out the previous warhammer quest when they introduce a new one. They did that with both Silver Tower and Hammerfall whatever, so them doing it with Blackstone isn't a shock. What IS a shock is that theyre phasing it out but not actually replacing it because of this screw up.

I was going to get a box but I'm not going out of my way for it. I dont do pre orders, I certainly dont do "rush its going so quick!" pre orders, and I'm not going to be hunting around ebay. Maybe I'll find a local store with it.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 16, 2021, 09:37:56 PM
From Warhammer Community on Twits no less ... and in a Grimdark voice I'm sure ... Moowah-hahahahaha ...

"Cursed City is sold out on gamesworkshop.com, and we are not expecting to return online. Many copies have been sent to local stores across the world.  PLease check with your local warhammer store or independent retailer to see if they can help".

Tada!  That's it at least for the moment as to any comment from GW.  Bada bing, bada boom, tishshshshshsh.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Sharkbelly on April 17, 2021, 03:42:27 AM
What a mess! I watched one youtube video that claims it all has to do with Brexit and the percentage of components that are produced in Britain...

I'm curious if my preorder will arrive alright.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on April 19, 2021, 10:15:30 AM
But isn't it affecting America too? Brexit shouldn't have altered any dealings with that part of the world...
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 19, 2021, 11:46:50 AM
I haven't heard GW saying anything about it.

It looks like a number of their most recent releases have all been delayed, including Death Guard, Dark Angel, and Dark Elf codexes for 40K, and now the Ad Mech codex has been delayed as well.  Something seems messed with their distribution of new product, but that is just a guess.

And now the complete cut off of Cursed City ... there's definitely an issue or more than one happening.

Heard a rumor this morning that GW could be coming out with an announcement today.  But ... we'll see.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on April 19, 2021, 03:45:31 PM
There was an interesting discussion on one of my discords. A couple of store owners and produers were saying there's been massive delays and stock problems with all kinds of things. Bike, pretty much anything plastic, golf stuff, etc. So apparently there's a lot of fields being effective. One guy was telling me he runs a bike store and he hasn't been able to properly restock since the first month of the pandemic.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on April 19, 2021, 04:32:41 PM
My primary source for the 40K part of the hobby has continually had issues getting product into his store.

And a bike shop that I've done business with in the past, it went out of business as a result of the public health issue.

There is no doubt that there are economic things going on due to the nature of what is happening in the world, and suspect this won't clear up fully even this year.  Economic issues take time, and since it is a pandemic that helped create it, we're going to have to be patient sometimes.

GW is a source of much joy, peace, and contentment for many people, but like any other business, they will have their rough moments.  Even silly me is quick to be critical of them, although I am learning to get beyond that to see there is sometimes more than the immediate emotion felt for a better understanding to be had.

Plus, this hobby has so many things going for it, it is ok if I focus on those aspects that are right in front of me. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Old Stonebeard on May 03, 2021, 01:26:19 AM
Pre-ordered my copy of Cursed City through my local GW and got the Key to the City swag with it. Wasn't thinking and missed out on the novel with the extra adventurer card, though; will have to try and snag that somewhere down the road.

Have only built the Kharadron adventurer thus far, and was just because I was itching to experiment with using zenithal priming + only Contrast and shade washes to give him a washed out, "lit by moonlight" feel. Since it's a self-contained boardgame, I'm happy to paint them in a way I wouldn't approach my actual armies and warbands.

Old Stonebeard
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Sharkbelly on May 03, 2021, 01:30:31 PM
That's a cool idea! Mine will become the start of a Soulblight Gravelords army, but I'd love to see how yours turn out.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Old Stonebeard on May 25, 2021, 01:49:59 AM
I've been stupid busy with moving into our first house + prepping for Animosity III, but I did assemble the Kharadron adventurer as a test model. Taking inspiration from something I saw on facebook, I'm using strictly Contrast and Shades to give the impression of washed-out moonlight. The heroes will have blue accents and the villains will have red accents.

(https://i.imgur.com/y0zqAgr.jpg)

Old Stonebeard
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on May 25, 2021, 02:30:38 AM
Your painting looks very good, congrats! :icon_cool: :eusa_clap:

Somehow the techno dwarfs aren't feeling very Warhammer to me, although that is not a surprise.  It feels more like what could be expected from a squat.  It is an example of a trend recognized at the beginning of this whole W:AoS path, although suppose such is life at times. :icon_frown:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on May 25, 2021, 02:33:01 AM
Looking very nice Stonebeard! I like the blue.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Old Stonebeard on May 25, 2021, 04:47:13 AM
Thanks, guys!  :happy:

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It feels more like what could be expected from a squat.

I've had this conversation with a lot of folks, and I can't say I see where you're coming from. We have actual, new Squats in Necromunda, and they look nothing alike besides both being dwarfs:

(https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99550599007_GrendlGrendlsen01.jpg)
(https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99550599037_NECRagnirGunnsteinSquatAmmojack01.jpg)

Kharadron are "aetherpunk"; all their technology runs on aether-gold, a gas (not steam, not combustible fuel) used to create pressure, much like compressed air. All their technology appears to be stamped or cast metals bolted or riveted together. Compared to 40k technology, it's actually still quite primitive.

Old Stonebeard
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on May 25, 2021, 09:45:11 AM
Ha ... perhaps you're referring to the bolts and rivets on those two Necromunda dudes? :icon_wink:

That's ok, I wouldn't expect the fantasy dwarfs to be exactly like squats nor vice versa, the operative word was more, yet such is still just an opinion, and I realize their will be some that differ.  And ... they aren't exactly like squats, and its ok that they aren't.  However, feelings are feelings ... and it's like seeing the Ossiarchs like Necrons, or the Stormcrud reminding a person of Space Marines.  It isn't like either of those are exactly like either of the others, its what the brain is playing with or they're playing with the brain.  Some folks just won't see what others are seeing, and that's ok as well. :::cheers:::

What's more important is you've done a nice job with the dwarf achieving what you've set out to achieve. :icon_cool: :eusa_clap:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Jmash on June 16, 2021, 05:08:03 PM
Has anybody heard anything on the grapevine lately regarding exactly what the balls up was with Cursed City? Or is it still a big unknown?

Just intrigued to know that's all, all the hype then such a monumental cock up, there has to have been a big spanner somewhere in the works?
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on June 16, 2021, 05:44:29 PM
Haven't heard more.  Probably in the long run we will.

However, I saw one place that still has two copies of it sitting on it's shelf. :icon_eek:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on June 16, 2021, 11:54:35 PM
There's been a lot of pretty well sourced rumours about things, but nothing concrete. It really was a total screw up that clearly surprised them as well.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on June 17, 2021, 12:17:27 AM
Wonder if there was ever anything else comparable to this massive lead up and then a complete dropping of the intentions expressed by GW.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Old Stonebeard on June 17, 2021, 12:53:10 AM
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Haven't heard more.  Probably in the long run we will.

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It really was a total screw up that clearly surprised them as well.

Agreed. I reckon they don't want to talk about it because they've got egg on their face and GW doesn't enjoy publicly eating crow.

I sourced myself a second copy for the extra models I wanted for other projects, like using the Vargskyr for my Flesh-Eater Court Varghulf. Hopefully I'll get some use out of having spare tiles as well.

Old Stonebeard
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on June 17, 2021, 02:30:17 AM
I was actually tempted the other day to pick up a copy. :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: Gankom on June 17, 2021, 03:21:19 AM
If I find one in the wild I'll pick it up, but I'm not going to kill myself, or spend a fortune on ebay.
Title: Re: Ulfenkarn Revealed
Post by: GamesPoet on June 17, 2021, 03:40:38 AM
If you wait long enough, then you'll find someone selling it on the cheap, too.

The two I saw in the same non-GW shop were going for $200 each.  That's seems reasonable.