Topic: Warhammer II (Total War)

[Zak]

https://youtu.be/fXxe897bW-A (cinematic trailer)

https://youtu.be/h6-pxDdStpE ( more information)

Looks good 

[Baron von Klatz]

Looking amazing, a big thank you to CA for giving this project their A-game.

Also, funny April fools video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5DY1xh0j4

[Zak]

OK, that was good haha   

[Grutch]

I liked Total Warhammer, bought all their expansions  but I do have to ask as a game developer myself,  what is Creative Assembly offering in their 2nd major iteration?  All I have read is more armies, more terrains, and a larger mega campaign mode.  All of which is a lot of work and manhours from their art and design team, but what new functionalities?   Lets be honest here,  Total Warhammer 2 is just added DLC style combat and some adjustments on their campaign system.  There are no new gameplay functionality or technical gameplay improvements to justify calling this annual DLC release a 2nd iteration. 

I don't like where this is going, but I'd speculate they're making one last gasp at milking this franchise for every drop they can get out of it.  I'm expecting half the sales they got from the first release knowing sales fell off dramatically over their uninspired DLC season.  They even did a discounted price of Total War recently on Steam.  =/

[S.O.F]

I liked Total Warhammer, bought all their expansions  but I do have to ask as a game developer myself,  what is Creative Assembly offering in their 2nd major iteration?  All I have read is more armies, more terrains, and a larger mega campaign mode.  All of which is a lot of work and manhours from their art and design team, but what new functionalities?   Lets be honest here,  Total Warhammer 2 is just added DLC style combat and some adjustments on their campaign system.  There are no new gameplay functionality or technical gameplay improvements to justify calling this annual DLC release a 2nd iteration. 

I don't like where this is going, but I'd speculate they're making one last gasp at milking this franchise for every drop they can get out of it.  I'm expecting half the sales they got from the first release knowing sales fell off dramatically over their uninspired DLC season.  They even did a discounted price of Total War recently on Steam.  =/

Well it is not like they haven't done this before in that Napoleon should have simply been a DLC for Empire, but as Empire was so bad it was turned into a marginally better stand alone. Honestly I don't know where they are going with this because how can you get a full title out of three races, yes people talk about the Skaven but this will absolutely require a vast reworking of the main map to introduce to be anyway worth while (oddly this makes me fear them plopping some Pestilens in Lustria and saying screw it to adding all the spots they would need to on the old world map to make it work).

You would really think that with the sort of distances required to travel they would need to add naval battles to it but that certainly wouldn't work what with the Man o' War game out there.

[Gankom]

This might be a bit better in the other Total Warhammer thread but I figured I'd ask here. I got the game from the humble bundle and I like it, sinking a good number of hours into it, but generally not blown away. I got a little annoyed that as the dwarves I couldn't confederate Belegar's faction without the DLC.

That said, still like the game. I've been looking at the DLC. What are peoples thoughts on them so far? Do people have a favorite one, do they add a lot to the game, which is the best?

[The Peacemaker]

I liked Total Warhammer, bought all their expansions  but I do have to ask as a game developer myself,  what is Creative Assembly offering in their 2nd major iteration?  All I have read is more armies, more terrains, and a larger mega campaign mode.  All of which is a lot of work and manhours from their art and design team, but what new functionalities?   Lets be honest here,  Total Warhammer 2 is just added DLC style combat and some adjustments on their campaign system.  There are no new gameplay functionality or technical gameplay improvements to justify calling this annual DLC release a 2nd iteration. 

I don't like where this is going, but I'd speculate they're making one last gasp at milking this franchise for every drop they can get out of it.  I'm expecting half the sales they got from the first release knowing sales fell off dramatically over their uninspired DLC season.  They even did a discounted price of Total War recently on Steam.  =/

Sounded like they are introducing combined map mechanics. But it is a total war game, they are all just rehashes of the game they made 15 years ago, lol.

I do not mind that they are milking the franchise because they have been upfront about it. ...they did try sneaky 'pre-order and you get warriors of chaos'. To which i posted "Do not pre-order!!!! Make them release a quality game instead of trying to get pre-orders and then cutting production time and releasing shitty buggy games". Many people +1 that post on the various sites i put it on.

Their DLC looked ok. They did try the industry tactics of releasing crap dlc like blood for the blood god. But they quickly shapped up and added brets, beastmen, wood elves.
And their minor DLC of just doing characters with a Questline....well if its cheap enough ok.

I think their DLC is doing pretty good at breathing new life into the game.

And those with money buy right away, the rest of us wait and buy a bundle. I like the way the gaming industry has finally worked out. I was pretty pissed at the buggy games on release, so now I always wait, look at reviews, get the game on sale and play a polished, full game. ...it also means that by the time i upgrade my computer to play these games, my PC can play them well instead of just skirting around the requirements.

[Xathrodox86]

The trailer looks incredible and I love it, but Grutch is right - it's a huge DLC with mini-DLC's coming up later. Not that it's a bad thing, but I can understand why some people would be pissed at this kind of marketing strategy. Also there will be one more "part", probably detailing the Ogre Kingdoms, Nehekhara and... Chaos Dwarves? It's cool that when you get all three parts, you'll be able to play on the whole map, with every, single army. Nice touch. However they should work on the internal balance, buff up magic and generally add a few tweaks, here and there.

[Baron von Klatz]

Indeed, the community wants that as well. The "mods will fix it" can only go so far when you're paying for every release.

https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/193652/letter-to-ca-from-the-community

[The Black Knight]

Also there will be one more "part", probably detailing the Ogre Kingdoms, Nehekhara and... Chaos Dwarves?

Don't forget about Demons. They're still not out and every part seems to have 4 playable races base. Also FISHMEN!

As for me, I think the game is great and they've really managed to catch the 'spirit of warhammer' quite well. The goblin voices and lines get me everytime I hear them. Nice to see the more goofy and fun side of warhammer again. Can't wait for the expansion!

[Xathrodox86]

Also there will be one more "part", probably detailing the Ogre Kingdoms, Nehekhara and... Chaos Dwarves?

Don't forget about Demons. They're still not out and every part seems to have 4 playable races base. Also FISHMEN!

As for me, I think the game is great and they've really managed to catch the 'spirit of warhammer' quite well. The goblin voices and lines get me everytime I hear them. Nice to see the more goofy and fun side of warhammer again. Can't wait for the expansion!

Oh yeah, right - Daemons should definetly be included in TW: Warhammer. So far we only have the Lord of Change, which is a bit of a shame.

[The Black Knight]

Then perhaps Dogs of War as the 4th faction? Huge potential in making units. Although I personally see them more as DLC material.

[Warlord]

They could make Araby based on Warmaster models...

[Feanor Fire Heart]

My understanding is the Bretonnian crusader states have taken the role of Araby, and CA is worried that if they make an Araby faction that there will be backlash.

Looks like TW3 is on the horizon with Daemons, Ogre kingdoms, and perhaps chaos dwarfs. They'll also be adding Middenhiem as a new playable subfaction for the Empire. I think the campaign for it is probably going to be Storm of Chaos/End Times. There are fans holding out hope for an Araby, Cathay, and Amazon faction inclusion. There are some Steam mods that creates a nice Amazon faction for TW2 and the units look dope.

[Warlord]

Araby based on warmaster isn’t too much of a stretch.
Cathay and Amazons are pipe dreams.

Dogs of War / regiments of renown would be great too...?
A proper Kislev faction would be nice?

[Feanor Fire Heart]

Regiments of Renown are a mechanic in the game. If you get your lord up to certain levels they unlock RoR to use depending on the level. They are usually tailored to the army you are playing though (so Empire RoR choices are suped up Empire units with unique abilities and maxed out experience).

https://totalwarwarhammer.gamepedia.com/Regiments_of_Renown

Also after the Empire Faction rework, if you conquer/confederate different Elector states and put in an Elector Count, you can hire region specific units like The Knights of Moor if you control Sylvania and Carroburg Greatswords if you own Reikland, along with buffs and a special runefang for each province.

I could see them do a DoW army that acts like a horde faction but I wouldn't count on it. They usually add factions based around a Legendary Lord to lead them (So Karl Franz, Volkmar the Grim, Balthasar Gelt, and Markus Wulfhart for Empire, Louen Leoncour, Faye Enchanctess, Repanse, and Alberic for Bretonnia, etc) with special unique abilities/strategies and the Empire is probably going to get new ones based around the Storm of Chaos/End Times like Valten, Boris Todbringer and Luthor Huss. Markus Wulfhart is close to a DoW army I suppose considering he's in Lustria as an Empire like conquistador army.

There is a good deal of speculation that Kislev will get to be a playable faction in 3. And with GW revisiting WHFB and potentially making a legit army for them, I could see CA making that possible.

I agree that having Araby in the game would be awesome but I've heard that CA is worried about coming off as racist for doing it. Here's an article where CA said that currently there's no plan for it.
https://www.pcinvasion.com/creative-assembly-confirms-araby-wont-be-coming-to-total-war-warhammer/

I also think Amazons are a pipe dream and is more likely going to be the work of mods. Same with DoW horde army. But then again the same was said about Norsca and Vampire Coast armies and yet they're in the game as fully playable factions with their own lords, units, and game mechanics. So who knows! They may get added later.

[GamesPoet]

It can't be real warhammer unless they introduce pygmies.

[The Black Knight]

How is an Araby army racist is slightly beyond me. I am looking at the warmaster army list right now and trying to figure it out:



Elephants? People riding camels? It's all just historic references with some goofy lore thrown in (flying carpets I am looking at you). A pretty standard mix for any warhammer army really.

I hope CA goes with it!

[Feanor Fire Heart]

It can't be real warhammer unless they introduce pygmies.

Yeah that argument fuels the idea CA is anti Araby.

@The Black Knight:
Those look amazing! Again, I hope they add them at some point, and knowing CA if they think it will make them money they'll throw in the kitchen sink as DLC. Tomb Kings and Vampire Coast were not in the launch of Warhammer Total War 2 but came later as DLC. So there's hope.

[GamesPoet]

CA = California

[Warlord]

CA = California

CA is the game development company.

[GamesPoet]

Ah! Ok, thanks, and Warlord ... did you see my pm?

[The Black Knight]

CA = California

Creative Assembly  . Though California could lobby for the Araby faction too, I'm sure it wouldn't hurt .

@Feanor

I was completely surprised by the Vampire Coast addition! They went with the rule of cool and it really paid off.

But I am really hodling my thumbs for Dogs of War. I think there is a huge potential here in making a very unique and striking army, if they figure out a way to represent them (the horde mechanic is a good call).

[Warlord]

Ah! Ok, thanks, and Warlord ... did you see my pm?

I did. Sorry I thought I responded. Some discussion in the Admin board about solutions at the moment. I will send you something in a bit.

[GamesPoet]

No rush.