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Clipping as it relates to 6th, 7th, & 8th Edition WFB ...
The Black Knight:
--- Quote from: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on May 05, 2021, 07:27:31 PM ---
--- Quote from: The Black Knight on May 05, 2021, 05:12:51 PM ---That's pretty much how the 8th Ed rulset did away with clipping.
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I am afraid not. In both the 6th and 7th edition, it was advised to resolve clipping by simply sliding the charging or victorious unit into more base contact with its enemy. In the 8th, that has been replaced by the free extra wheel when charging and combat reform (which can be executed by both sides). In 8th, if your charge ends up in clipping the enemy, despite the free wheel, you need to wait for the combat reform to bring more models into CC.
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What I've meant is that the 8th Ed rules specify that you need to maximise frontage when charging and to bring as many models into base to base as possible. I may be fuzzy with 6th Ed but I don't think there were such rules in place back then?
Fidelis von Sigmaringen:
6th BRB p. 52: "When a unit charges an enemy the player must endeavour to bring as many models of the charging unit into combat as possible. [...] This is a very important rule, so be sure to get it right from the start!"
The Black Knight:
I feel we are hijacking the thread a bit, but in this case the description only concerns the charger and not the charged. You need to bring as many of your models as you can to bear, but you don't care how many of the enemy models are becoming engaged. This leaves a window open for single models like chariots, monsters or single characters to go corner to corner of a big unit. This usually limits their attacks to an absolute minimum. I've seen this abused in tournaments with shooty lists with chariots. Hang back, shoot a bunch, charge chariots into corners of enemy units. Lots of fun (not really).
If I am not mistaken in 8th the rules specify that you have to bring in a maximal number of your models and the enemy ones too.
Not here to debate the superiority of one edition over the other, I just think the wording was a bit tighter in later editions.
Fidelis von Sigmaringen:
--- Quote from: Fidelis von Sigmaringen on May 06, 2021, 10:24:29 PM ---That is neither here nor there. Ruleswise, sliding was always illegal, but in 6th/7th edition, its application was advised (with mutual consent). In 8th, it is still illegal, except by combat reform.
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KTG17:
--- Quote from: The Black Knight on May 06, 2021, 09:00:28 PM ---I feel we are hijacking the thread a bit,
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No worries. Have you seen my thread? I highjack it all the time.
--- Quote ---but in this case the description only concerns the charger and not the charged. You need to bring as many of your models as you can to bear, but you don't care how many of the enemy models are becoming engaged. This leaves a window open for single models like chariots, monsters or single characters to go corner to corner of a big unit. This usually limits their attacks to an absolute minimum. I've seen this abused in tournaments with shooty lists with chariots. Hang back, shoot a bunch, charge chariots into corners of enemy units. Lots of fun (not really).
If I am not mistaken in 8th the rules specify that you have to bring in a maximal number of your models and the enemy ones too.
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--- Quote from: brr-icy on May 05, 2021, 10:16:59 AM ---In our group, we eliminated clipping. if you touch, you line up as many models as you can to fight. whichever quadrant you're in (flank,rear, front) is where you snap to. Clipping never made much sense to me as if one guy on the corner of the unit is fighting and the others are just looking in the sky whistling. It simplifies that rule and makes the game more fun imo
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Ok this is making more sense. So lets say I have a unit attacking the flank, can do a straight shot without having to wheel, but only the left front tip of the base of the first trooper touches. Do I swing around the rest of the unit free of charge? Even if I don't have any move left? And if I am lining up as many guys as possible, I assume this gives me some leeway on what units I want to use. For example, if I hoped to advance further I might position a unit so that most of the guys are positioned more towards my opponents other units. Or do the rules govern that too? I just see so many confusing ways to position the attacking unit if I have the flexibility to just line up as many as possible if I had a unit that was wider than my opponents. Like a 5-wide unit hitting a 2-rank unit from the side. What stops me from shifting the whole unit so long as the max number lines up?
I hope I make sense. I guess I can take some pics.
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