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The Empire at War ... The Gamers Guild => The Parade Ground => Topic started by: Emperor Karl Franz on April 28, 2015, 07:05:06 AM
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Hello, all. I'm building an Empire army for my first local Warhammer Fantasy tournament, but as an inexperienced Empire player, I was hoping for some advice. Here're the requirements of the tournament:
- 2000 Points
- End Times 50% Lords and Heroes allowed
- Lore of Undeath allowed
- Aside from the above, no End Times characters or units allowed (So no Valten or Karl Franz Ascended)
Here're two list variants I've come up with so far. I was wondering what tweaks you all would suggest. Here's the first list:
LORDS
377 GENERAL OF THE EMPIRE
Full Plate Armor, Shield, Runefang, Opal Amulet
Imperial Griffon
225 BATTLE WIZARD LORD
Hand Weapon, Dispel Scroll
Level 4 Wizard
CORE
415 KNIGHTLY ORDERS (14)
Hand Weapon, Great Weapon, Full Plate Armor, Barded Warhorse; Inner Circle Knights
Preceptor, Musician, Standard Bearer (Steel Standard)
90 ARCHERS (10)
Hand Weapon, Bow
Marksman, Standard Bearer
SPECIAL
393 DEMIGRYPH KNIGHTS (6)
Hand Weapon, Halberd, Full Plate Armor, Shield, Barded Demigryph
Inner Circle Preceptor, Musician, Standard Bearer (Banner of Swiftness)
RARE
250 STEAM TANK
Hand Weapon, Repeater Pistol
250 STEAM TANK
Hand Weapon, Repeater Pistol
And here's the second list, the primary difference being my dropping two Demigryph Knights in exchange for a mounted Battle Standard Bearer, as well as changing up the Generals equipment a bit.
LORDS
369 GENERAL OF THE EMPIRE
Full Plate Armor, Runefang, Enchanted Shield, Pidgeon Plucker Pendant
Imperial Griffon
225 BATTLE WIZARD LORD
Hand Weapon, Dispel Scroll
Level 4 Wizard
HEROES
109 CAPTAIN OF THE EMPIRE
Hand Weapon, Full Plate Armor, Shield, Barded Warhorse
Battle Standard Bearer
CORE
415 KNIGHTLY ORDERS (14)
Hand Weapon, Great Weapon, Full Plate Armor, Barded Warhorse; Inner Circle Knights
Preceptor, Musician, Standard Bearer (Steel Standard)
105 ARCHERS (15)
Hand Weapon, Bow
SPECIAL
277 DEMIGRYPH KNIGHTS (4)
Hand Weapon, Halberd, Full Plate Armor, Shield, Barded Demigryph
Inner Circle Preceptor, Musician, Standard Bearer (Banner of Swiftness)
RARE
250 STEAM TANK
Hand Weapon, Repeater Pistol
250 STEAM TANK
Hand Weapon, Repeater Pistol
So thoughts?
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You really need a bsb - he's practically the first thing in my army list.
I'm not a fan of the general on a Griffin - the former isn't really killy enough and the Griffin too squishy. Would be tempted to use the points to get a mounted general or GM and the rest on a peg Captain.
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I included a mounted Battle Standard Bearer in the second list. And yeah, I've been thinking about going with a Grand Master. My concern here has been that in the local tournaments which have been going on here, the winning player has been dominating with a selection of flying monsters, so I thought it'd be useful to have a General on a Griffon flying around and killing those monsters with auto-wound Runefangs in case the Steam Tanks don't kill them in time. But yeah, it's not as killy a unit as I would like.
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Ok, here're two possible variations of the second list, with the mounted BSB.
LORDS
394 KARL FRANZ, THE EMPEROR
Full Plate Armor, Ghal Maraz, The Silver Seal, Barded Warhorse
225 BATTLE WIZARD LORD
Hand Weapon, Dispel Scroll
Level 4 Wizard (Lore of Shadows)
HEROES
109 CAPTAIN OF THE EMPIRE
Hand Weapon, Full Plate Armor, Shield, Barded Warhorse
Battle Standard Bearer
CORE
415 KNIGHTLY ORDERS (14)
Hand Weapon, Great Weapon, Full Plate Armor, Barded Warhorse; Inner Circle Knights
Inner Circle Preceptor, Musician, Standard Bearer (Steel Standard)
105 ARCHERS (15)
Hand Weapon, Bow
SPECIAL
252 DEMIGRYPH KNIGHTS (4)
Hand Weapon, Halberd, Full Plate Armor, Shield, Barded Demigryph
Inner Circle Preceptor, Standard Bearer
RARE
250 STEAM TANK
Hand Weapon, Repeater Pistol
250 STEAM TANK
Hand Weapon, Repeater Pistol
So I remove the General of the Empire on Imperial Griffon and remove the Musician and Banner of Swiftness upgrade on the Demigryph Knights, and instead replace them with Karl Franz, the Emperor, with Ghal Maraz on a Barded Warhorse.
The second option is as follows:
LORDS
259 GRAND MASTER
Full Plate Armor, Shield, Barded Warhorse, Runefang, The Other Trickster's Shard
225 BATTLE WIZARD LORD
Hand Weapon, Dispel Scroll
Level 4 Wizard (Lore of Shadows)
HEROES
109 CAPTAIN OF THE EMPIRE
Hand Weapon, Full Plate Armor, Shield, Barded Warhorse
Battle Standard Bearer
CORE
415 KNIGHTLY ORDERS (14)
Hand Weapon, Great Weapon, Full Plate Armor, Barded Warhorse; Inner Circle Knights
Inner Circle Preceptor, Musician, Standard Bearer (Steel Standard)
98 ARCHERS (14)
Hand Weapon, Bow
SPECIAL
393 DEMIGRYPH KNIGHTS (6)
Hand Weapon, Halberd, Full Plate Armor, Shield, Barded Demigryph
Inner Circle Preceptor, Musician, Standard Bearer (Banner of Swiftness)
RARE
250 STEAM TANK
Hand Weapon, Repeater Pistol
250 STEAM TANK
Hand Weapon, Repeater Pistol
Instead I take a much cheaper Grand Master, armed with Runefang and The Other Trickster's Shard, drop an Archer, and with the leftover points I boost my Demigryph Knights to a 6-man regiment with full command and the Banner of Swiftness.
So how about those two? Which looks better?