Topic: 2250 Marauder Chaos List

[Warboss Niblet]

I had been thinking about starting a chaos army for a while. Now I like Chaos warriors but they are really spendy for what they can do. I was thinking tho that without them the static res in a chaos army is about nil. You have to worry about causing casualties instead.

So I wondered if a marauder based army might work. This is what I came up with. It has 3 nice blocks of infantry supported by a character. 5 fast moving elements for redirecting and war machine taking. 2 chariots for some punch (one ridden by the general), a decent magic phase, and some spawn for tying up flanks or preventing flank charges. The bray shaman in the bestigors can make them highly mobile with the staff of darkoth, and with bears anger can be a formidable combatant. The other sorcerer provides magic support to the flail wielding marauders and hopefully with there flails they can provide damage for the sorcerer. The bsb has the banner of the gods to hopefully keep the center stubborn even in the event of being flanked (sense m4 infantry can be easily outflanked). I would like to think that this army packs enough punch to compete and has enough bodies to soak the inevitable magic and shooting casualties. Please C&C any suggestions welcome.


2250 Chaos Marauder Army

Characters

Exalted Champion
-Chaos Armor
-Chariot
-Shield
-Flail
-Trollhide Armor
-Gaze of the Gods
-274

Aspiring Champion
-Chaos Armor
-Chaos Steed
-Battle Standard Bearer
-Banner of the Gods
-246

Bray Shaman (cult leader)
-Level 2
-Staff of Darkoth
-Chaos Armor
-145

Chaos Sorcerer
-Level 2
-Chaos Armor
-Chaos Steed
-Power Familiar
-186

Character Total: 851

Core

23 Marauders (sorcerer here)
-Full Command
-Light Armor
-Shields
-Flails
-209

23 Marauders (bsb here)
-Full Command
-Light Armor
-Shields
-186

5 Marauder Horse
-Music
-Flails
-81

5 Marauder Horse
-Music
-Flails
-81

5 Chaos Hounds
-30

5 Chaos Hounds
-30

Core Total: 617

Special

19 Bestigor (cultists, bray shaman here)
-Full Command
-258

4 Minotaurs
-Great Weapons
-184

Marauder Chariot (tuskgor chariot)
-85

9 Furies
-135

Special Total: 662

Rare

Chaos Spawn
-60

Chaos Spawn
-60

Rare Total: 120

Army Total: 2250
Total: Models: 105
Power Dice: 7
Dispel Dice: 5

[phillyt]

Generally, no Marauder armies do not work.  It's like playing with a whole army of swordsmen without the benefit of cannons, detachments, or shooting.  Crimson will be able to help you a little more than me.

2250 Chaos Marauder Army

Characters

Exalted Champion
-Chaos Armor
-Chariot
-Shield
-Flail
-Trollhide Armor
-Gaze of the Gods
-274

Chaos lord, not exalted champion.  LD9 is too vital to winning.  Armor of damnation, gaze of the gods, and then the sword of might or the rending blade.  Also needs a horse.

Aspiring Champion
-Chaos Armor
-Chaos Steed
-Battle Standard Bearer
-Banner of the Gods
-246

Nothing wrong here, though I might go with a cheaper banner.

Bray Shaman (cult leader)
-Level 2
-Staff of Darkoth
-Chaos Armor
-145

Drop the staff of darkoth, you don't have any herds worth using it on.

Chaos Sorcerer
-Level 2
-Chaos Armor
-Chaos Steed
-Power Familiar
-186

Take a bray shaman.  Better in almost everyway and half the price.

Character Total: 851

Too many points.  I would take khorne and drop the two wizards completely.  Save a ton and still get plenty of DD.

Core

23 Marauders (sorcerer here)
-Full Command
-Light Armor
-Shields
-Flails
-209

23 Marauders (bsb here)
-Full Command
-Light Armor
-Shields
-186

5 Marauder Horse
-Music
-Flails
-81

5 Marauder Horse
-Music
-Flails
-81

5 Chaos Hounds
-30

5 Chaos Hounds
-30

Core Total: 617

Okay here, but I would use a unit of CW with halberds.  Chosen.  And some chaos knights.

Special

19 Bestigor (cultists, bray shaman here)
-Full Command
-258

Junk, bestigor are not really worth while.  Take Chaos warriors or better yet, a herd of beastmen for cover.

4 Minotaurs
-Great Weapons
-184

Marauder Chariot (tuskgor chariot)
-85

9 Furies
-135

Nothing wrong with the rest of this.

Rare

Chaos Spawn
-60

Chaos Spawn
-60

Rare Total: 120

Take giants, not spawn.

This army is poor, but it isn't your fault.  The mortals list without beast support and chaos knights is not a very good list.  Wait until Novemeber before you buy any models.  The new book should make things a bit better.

Phil

[dabber]

If you want to play Marauders, you really need Crom, the special character from Storm of Chaos.  He reduces the leadership problems greatly.  Short of that, leadership is what kills Marauders, which means you need a Chaos Lord and he needs to hang out with the Marauders, not in a chariot.

A pair of level 2s is an inefficient magic phase.  Especially costly level 2s.

Bestigors are terrible.  No reason to take them, except maybe as Khorne.  Otherwise minotaurs are clearly better.

[Perambulator]

Hey Warboss Niblet,

This post is in the wrong forum - it should be in the Count's Tavern - it's not Empire related. Good luck with it though I have no idea how to play Chaos, but my understanding is you can't go wrong with the advice from the goat and the non-iconed members.

 

[Crimsonsphinx]

Trollhide armour?  On your general?  I think this is a bit of an odd choice.  The chaos hero had better armour before buying this and regeneration on a 6 with only two wounds is only once per three games.  Not my kind of odds.

Banner of the Gods is exceptional.  In every game I have had the points to take it, I have won.  I guess that is what convinced me it is fantastic   Would be even better if you had a chaos lord with leadership 9.

Otherwise the list looks ok.  The chaos sorceror with the power familiar is only worth it if you plan on taking fire magic.  Otherwise stick to bray shamans as they have better statistics and are cheaper.

The list looks ok.  I would take some chosen myself, but as you explained you want marauders, so I am not going to tell you to take them.

[Steve-O]

Warboss Niblet, I have a bit of experience with Marauder lists, as I have been playing one exclusively for the past 18 months.  Looks good for the most part, but you need a Chaos Lord and a BSB.  LD 9 and rerolls on breaks tests will make your life much easier.  Any form of leadership tests will cause large parts of your force to beat feet.  I have found that having Undivided units interspersed (chariots/knights/warriors) helps this to good extent.  For ranked units of marauders, I have found flails to be a waste, they are simply bodies for backing up your combat studs.  The trick with these types of lists is to mitigate phases in which you aren't competitive and keeping your forces compact in order to support each other.

I have really enjoyed playing my list as it places a premium on generalship. 

[Hurin Thalion]

I agree with the consensus that the General should be a Lord, on foot and in one of the Marauder blocks. Here's a list you might try, using the base of your first one.

Chaos Lord - 256pts
Additional Hand Weapon, Enchanted Shield, Gaze of the Gods

Aspiring Champion - 230pts
BSB, Banner of the Gods

Sorcerer of Slaanesh - 196pts
Level 2, Spell Familiar, Dispel Scroll, Barded Warhorse

Bray Shaman of Slaanesh - 146pts
Level 2, Chaos Armor, Braystaff

Marauder Warband - 209pts <Lord goes here
23 Marauders with light armor, shields and Flails
Full Command

Marauder Warband - 186pts <BSB goes here
23 Marauders with light armour and shields
Full Command

5 Marauder Horsemen - 81pts
Shields, Musician

5 Marauder Horsemen - 93pts
Flails, Champion, Musician

2 Units of 5 Chaos Warhounds - 60pts

5 Chosen Knights of Chaos

Beastherd - 134pts <Bray Shaman goes here
7 Gors with 2 hand weapons
12 Ungors with shields
Musician & Foe-Render

4 Minotaurs with great weapons - 184pts

Marauder Chariot (Tuskgor Chariot) - 85pts

7 Furies - 105pts

Chaos Spawn - 60pts


Total: 2250